HDS Systems EDC # 20

[WarriorOfLight]

Well I wouldn't say "boring", they're tools built for a purpose.

I agree with you. Only for better undetstanding. I have a lot "boring" lights. But sometimes I like a different Body Color than black.

HDS lighs are also boring black, but great Tools... like Surefire, Elzetta,... A natural HA Looks fine to me. I love my Surefire natural HA lights, a natural HDS would also be cool.

 

[moltenmag]

I agree with you. Only for better undetstanding. I have a lot "boring" lights. But sometimes I like a different Body Color than black.

HDS lighs are also boring black, but great Tools... like Surefire, Elzetta,... A natural HA Looks fine to me. I love my Surefire natural HA lights, a natural HDS would also be cool.

Totally agree I absolutely love the old anodizing on my HDS EDC Ultimate! An HDS rotary with natural HA would be awesome! It’s a great year to be an HDS fan...

 

[Modernflame]

Regarding the F89HG emitter, I know the specs for CCT and CRI, but can someone describe the beam tint? Is it rosy like other 219's? I saw the comparison photo a few pages back, but the streams were being crossed. Thanks.

 

[emarkd]

Regarding the F89HG emitter, I know the specs for CCT and CRI, but can someone describe the beam tint? Is it rosy like other 219's? I saw the comparison photo a few pages back, but the streams were being crossed. Thanks.

VERY rosy, rosier than other 219b's. So rosy, in fact, that if you use it near sunlight it looks pink in comparison. It's beautiful in the dark though.

 

[INFRNL]

It’s a great year to be an HDS fan...

this may be true for us, but definitely not our wallets/bank accounts

Regarding the F89HG emitter, I know the specs for CCT and CRI, but can someone describe the beam tint? Is it rosy like other 219's? I saw the comparison photo a few pages back, but the streams were being crossed. Thanks.

Where is Archi when we need him. Don't make me go try to hunt down the beam shots...

VERY rosy, rosier than other 219b's. So rosy, in fact, that if you use it near sunlight it looks pink in comparison. It's beautiful in the dark though.

Is this a comment to help ensure we get in on one and ward other off?

this comment makes it sound rosier than a 219/a. I have never seen one in person, but i would say it will probably be similar to a 219b 4000k. being 4500k; I would suspect it to be a bit whiter with a bit less rose

 

[Modernflame]

VERY rosy, rosier than other 219b's. So rosy, in fact, that if you use it near sunlight it looks pink in comparison. It's beautiful in the dark though.

this comment makes it sound rosier than a 219/a. I have never seen one in person, but i would say it will probably be similar to a 219b 4000k. being 4500k; I would suspect it to be a bit whiter with a bit less rose

I don't know why I'm so surprised by the rosy tint, which is, after all, a hallmark of the 219b. I guess I was thinking that since the recently sold out 219b's from HDS were yellow, not pink, that the F89HG's would follow suit.

 

[Random Dan]

I don't know why I'm so surprised by the rosy tint, which is, after all, a hallmark of the 219b. I guess I was thinking that since the recently sold out 219b's from HDS were yellow, not pink, that the F89HG's would follow suit.

I have one of the recently sold out 219b's, and it is not yellow at all. Not by itself or in comparison with any other emitter. In fact, of the three 219b's I own, the HDS is the easily the most pink. Maybe it's down to the tint lottery, but I certainly wouldn't describe the entire run as being yellow.

 

[indigon]

Here's another shot: Settings around level 10 at 3ft away..
(On three sheets of white paper that were not cooperating).
Photo shows a little more blue and yellow-green than my eye sees.

(They all look pretty much white by themselves).

Ron

 

[Hogokansatsukan]

Made it to the hotel. Now time to hide!

Don’t cross the beams! I think it is rosy... when I cross the beams. If I don’t, it is a nice warm white.

 

[Modernflame]

I have one of the recently sold out 219b's, and it is not yellow at all. Not by itself or in comparison with any other emitter. In fact, of the three 219b's I own, the HDS is the easily the most pink. Maybe it's down to the tint lottery, but I certainly wouldn't describe the entire run as being yellow.

Very interesting. Mine is straight up yellow, almost like a neutral cree except without the rainbow. It looks yellow on it's own but it becomes particularly pronounced when compared to my other rosy 219s. I could be wrong but I thought I read somewhere that HDS intentionally chose them this way.

 

[INFRNL]

That is odd, while anything is possible; I haven't ever hear someone say their 219b was yellow.

Is it yellow like the Malkoff Neutral? Can you post a pic of the emitter? Sounds like you may be missing out on the traditional 219b, but I know you aren't exactly a fan of the rose...or at least not at first. Now you have me curious. Might have to compare the 4000k 219b's i have

 

[emarkd]

I made a comparison shot too. Not sure if its helpful or just causes more confusion, but here it goes:

From the top down:
* 219c 5000k on top (the 3'oclock high emitter, although not in an HDS in this case)
* 219b sw45k r9080, the HG emitter in discussion
* 219b 4000k, the recently-discontinued HCri200 option

So for me, I see the 219c 5000k as slightly greenish, the sw45k is slightly pinkish, and the Hcri200 is slightly tannish. But this is basically a "whitewall" shot and doesn't nearly tell the whole tale. Without the comparisons right next to them, I find all three emitters very clean and nice to look at, and when you point these emitters at something very colorful, especially something with lots of red tones, that's when the sw45k really shows what it can do. I'd never try and discourage anyone from trying the sw45k, its a special emitter, but I'd also not want anyone to think its sunlight-in-a-can, cause it isn't. It does its own thing, just like all the others. But the thing it does is very very good.

 

[Modernflame]

That is odd, while anything is possible; I haven't ever hear someone say their 219b was yellow.

Is it yellow like the Malkoff Neutral? Can you post a pic of the emitter? Sounds like you may be missing out on the traditional 219b, but I know you aren't exactly a fan of the rose...or at least not at first. Now you have me curious. Might have to compare the 4000k 219b's i have

It's the Nichia, alright. I can't see anything rosy about the beam no matter what I compare it to. I'm not complaining! This is how I prefer it.

 

[tongkang]

That is sure very helpful,thanks

I made a comparison shot too. Not sure if its helpful or just causes more confusion, but here it goes:
From the top down:
* 219c 5000k on top (the 3'oclock high emitter, although not in an HDS in this case)
* 219b sw45k r9080, the HG emitter in discussion
* 219b 4000k, the recently-discontinued HCri200 option

So for me, I see the 219c 5000k as slightly greenish, the sw45k is slightly pinkish, and the Hcri200 is slightly tannish. But this is basically a "whitewall" shot and doesn't nearly tell the whole tale. Without the comparisons right next to them, I find all three emitters very clean and nice to look at, and when you point these emitters at something very colorful, especially something with lots of red tones, that's when the sw45k really shows what it can do. I'd never try and discourage anyone from trying the sw45k, its a special emitter, but I'd also not want anyone to think its sunlight-in-a-can, cause it isn't. It does its own thing, just like all the others. But the thing it does is very very good.

 

[Johnnyh]

Pinkish or Yellowish 219b emitters...might pinkish 219b be R9080 while yellowish might be R9050?

 

[INFRNL]

I finally found it; Compliments of JohnnyH

Man, I hope this works...it took me hours...I'm not the smartest picture taker, resizer, posterer around...
The following pictures were taken with a Fuji X100F at F16, SS 15, ISO 1600, Manual white balance (daylight).
Each HDS was on power level 18 (I think).

I'm sure this has been done (perhaps to death?) but i hope it might be interesting...comparative shots of four Nichia-powered HDS lights illuminating a scene...
I diffused all with DC-fix over the lens since I was more interested in color rendition and tint rather than strict beam shots.
All this of course depends on your viewing device and it's abilities, color blindness/sensitivity, viewing angle, tint lottery, whatever...etc...
Enough disclaimers...here it is...



1. Stock High CRI 200 219B 4K

2. Custom 219B 45K (9080)

3. 3 O'Clock High 219C 5000k

4. High Noon 219C 57K

 

[toads]

This one's too yellow, this one's too pink, this one's too green, this one's too blue. Feeling like Goldilocks with all these tints!

 

[INFRNL]

I made a comparison shot too. Not sure if its helpful or just causes more confusion, but here it goes:



From the top down:
* 219c 5000k on top (the 3'oclock high emitter, although not in an HDS in this case)
* 219b sw45k r9080, the HG emitter in discussion
* 219b 4000k, the recently-discontinued HCri200 option

So for me, I see the 219c 5000k as slightly greenish, the sw45k is slightly pinkish, and the Hcri200 is slightly tannish. But this is basically a "whitewall" shot and doesn't nearly tell the whole tale. Without the comparisons right next to them, I find all three emitters very clean and nice to look at, and when you point these emitters at something very colorful, especially something with lots of red tones, that's when the sw45k really shows what it can do. I'd never try and discourage anyone from trying the sw45k, its a special emitter, but I'd also not want anyone to think its sunlight-in-a-can, cause it isn't. It does its own thing, just like all the others. But the thing it does is very very good.

Thank you, These will probably be my favorite. I already have the 4000k and 5000k, hoping to get one of the 4500k on Friday.

I am not sure what my 5000k looks like compared to my 4000k, but I know my 5000k is closer to white. i'm sure in a comparison like this it would look different
I can see the slight pink in the 4000k, that one looks like it could be close to reality
Thank you for taking the time to post this

 

[usdiver]

My favorite 2 are the 5700 219c and the xpg-2 in the 250... but I m curious as to just how close these 2 are with the xpg-2 being at 6000?
There weren’t many navy seal lights made, but the emitter in those was the absolute best I ve ever seen in an HDS, not only in throw but white and damn near neutral (not cool, not warm) to me anyway. So if in a special run light it would be the high noon or if possible the same emitter that was in those seal edition lights

 

[INFRNL]

I almost bought one of those navy seal lights. I thought they were the same as the normal cool white emitters they just has the bezel etched. Since I do not really have a history with the military, I didn't see a need to purchase one as you would.
Nice to know it seems to have a better emitter in it though