Hellfire X-11 Tactical Entry Light
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Size15's
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It may be able to output 150 Lumens from 2 batteries but the runtime will be less than 20 minutes.
In my opinion the only light worthy of the name "HellFire" is SureFire's HellFire.
"Tactical Entry Light" this is name given to, and reserved for SureFire's 12PM/12ZM (perhaps now-a-days the M6 too).
It would be good to see how it compared to flashlight we know. (Like the M2 for example).
Al
In my opinion the only light worthy of the name "HellFire" is SureFire's HellFire.
"Tactical Entry Light" this is name given to, and reserved for SureFire's 12PM/12ZM (perhaps now-a-days the M6 too).
It would be good to see how it compared to flashlight we know. (Like the M2 for example).
Al
ACMarina
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I guess I can understand that. I mean, if you're "Tactically Entering" something, you probably don't need extreme brightness for more than a few minutes. Once you've actually made entry, scene lighting will be fired up and things will get a lot brighter. .
voodoogreg
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Size15's said:
It may be able to output 150 Lumens from 2 batteries but the runtime will be less than 20 minutes.
In my opinion the only light worthy of the name "HellFire" is SureFire's HellFire.
"Tactical Entry Light" this is name given to, and reserved for SureFire's 12PM/12ZM (perhaps now-a-days the M6 too).
It would be good to see how it compared to flashlight we know. (Like the M2 for example).
Al
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Are you saying "tactical entry light is tradmarked phrase by SF? I also don't see a current production SF called "hellfire" on there site? I couldn't find a past "hellfire" model from surefire on google, at least first two pages.
Not that there isn't/wasn't one, just being a big fan of SF's I thought i woud try to find one. got a pic? VDG
Size15's said:
It may be able to output 150 Lumens from 2 batteries but the runtime will be less than 20 minutes.
In my opinion the only light worthy of the name "HellFire" is SureFire's HellFire.
"Tactical Entry Light" this is name given to, and reserved for SureFire's 12PM/12ZM (perhaps now-a-days the M6 too).
It would be good to see how it compared to flashlight we know. (Like the M2 for example).
Al
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Are you saying "tactical entry light is tradmarked phrase by SF? I also don't see a current production SF called "hellfire" on there site? I couldn't find a past "hellfire" model from surefire on google, at least first two pages.
Not that there isn't/wasn't one, just being a big fan of SF's I thought i woud try to find one. got a pic? VDG
sunspot
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The Hellfire is a SF HID. I saw it in a gun mag. I think it's the military version of the Beast. Al would know more. Hint, hint?
If Al says something about SF, its 150% true. Which is why I never argue with him about SF products, policies, etc.
voodoogreg
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Thaks guys. Mags,, the moniker "hellfire" is a popular one.
There's a missle, several military unit's, gun's, etc. I did indicate i loved SF lights, but couldn't find any document's for it. (why i asked for a pic since 15 usually has some of everything SF!)
My Unkle was cop in Idianapolis for 20 yr's, back in the early 70's was in the swat team. i remember the term "tactical entry" and feel it's not the domain of any company or response force.
Sometimes people get a little attached to companies or
those that are expert in there history, but every expert is not always right (this a good life lesson to learn BTW,
in my youth i thought les pauls were the only "good" guitars)
I think 15 would admit the same.
The hellfire FL look's very much a plain purpose built tool
nothing i would want, but maybe the ticket for certain application's in law enforcement.
I meant no disrespect to SF, 15, or the copy writer for hellfire light's. VDG
There's a missle, several military unit's, gun's, etc. I did indicate i loved SF lights, but couldn't find any document's for it. (why i asked for a pic since 15 usually has some of everything SF!)
My Unkle was cop in Idianapolis for 20 yr's, back in the early 70's was in the swat team. i remember the term "tactical entry" and feel it's not the domain of any company or response force.
Sometimes people get a little attached to companies or
those that are expert in there history, but every expert is not always right (this a good life lesson to learn BTW,
in my youth i thought les pauls were the only "good" guitars)
I think 15 would admit the same.
The hellfire FL look's very much a plain purpose built tool
nothing i would want, but maybe the ticket for certain application's in law enforcement.
I meant no disrespect to SF, 15, or the copy writer for hellfire light's. VDG
Size15's
Flashaholic
I'm not saying those terms are trademarks, I'm saying that when I hear them I naturally assume "SureFire" in the same way I assume "SureFire" when for "M3", "M6" and other such models. Of course there are other companies (and other non-flashlight companies) using the same terms, often for something quite different.
When I looked at the ad for the X-11 it just gave me the feeling of an ad for a light aircraft using the term "afterburner" and such. Or when the "rude-boys" put wale-tails and body kits etc on their Ford Escorts but they still have a 1.2 L engine.
The terms "Tactical Entry Light" and "HellFire" inspire (in me at least) the concept of 'overwhelming' light output - more than you can comprehend - Truely "force options".
Al /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
When I looked at the ad for the X-11 it just gave me the feeling of an ad for a light aircraft using the term "afterburner" and such. Or when the "rude-boys" put wale-tails and body kits etc on their Ford Escorts but they still have a 1.2 L engine.
The terms "Tactical Entry Light" and "HellFire" inspire (in me at least) the concept of 'overwhelming' light output - more than you can comprehend - Truely "force options".
Al /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
TRC
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The copy is over hyped sounding to me. Glaringly absent from the brief list of specifications was runtime. But since a P61 gets an honest(!) 120 lumens, and 20 min run time, if their lumen specs are accurate, then runtime has to be in the 15 minute range.
A very special purpose flashlight, to be sure.
I'm ALWAYS put off and suspicious of over hyped ad copy.
If a product is good, then a simple, very detailed detailed description, with photographs, and complete specs, will sell a product.
Hype is used when the product isn't as good as it is represented to be.
While many prople feel SureFire flashlights are either very expensive (they are, I think) or over priced, SF doesn't misrepresent their products; intentionally, I think .... except for availability /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif But I won't go there.
With SF, you get absolutely top quality flashlights for your money. The demand exceeds the supply for some, or many items, from time to time. Which means there are a lot of people willing to pay top dollar for top quality.
Pity us civilians don't get the US Government discount! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
A very special purpose flashlight, to be sure.
I'm ALWAYS put off and suspicious of over hyped ad copy.
If a product is good, then a simple, very detailed detailed description, with photographs, and complete specs, will sell a product.
Hype is used when the product isn't as good as it is represented to be.
While many prople feel SureFire flashlights are either very expensive (they are, I think) or over priced, SF doesn't misrepresent their products; intentionally, I think .... except for availability /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif But I won't go there.
With SF, you get absolutely top quality flashlights for your money. The demand exceeds the supply for some, or many items, from time to time. Which means there are a lot of people willing to pay top dollar for top quality.
Pity us civilians don't get the US Government discount! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
HEK_Hamburg
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That darkops stuff is so funny! The marketing of "Blackhawk" is bad but this is the worst I have ever seen. This marketing is for 14 old counter striker players hahahah...
I HATE DARK OPS!!!!
I HATE DARK OPS!!!!
HEK_Hamburg
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BTW: What is about the green stuff on that page? Are the products radioactive? *rofl*
Reminds me on the Ninja Turtles....
**** I HATE DARK OPS!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! ****! ****!
Reminds me on the Ninja Turtles....
**** I HATE DARK OPS!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! ****! ****!
HEK_Hamburg
Newly Enlightened
Well if the knifes are made by Extrema Ratio in Italy they are surly pretty good. But that marketing is for 12yr old counter strike players...
The product writeups are hilarious:
"...be decontaminated from bodily fluids or chemical munitions..."
"...be decontaminated from bodily fluids or chemical munitions..."
I like the look of the body itself, but the insides are probably going to suck /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif. But thats why we have modders here /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. I would love to see that light with a lux III and a downboy or wiz converter with a good MC reflector. Not worth the money though IMO.
BugOutGear_USA
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We just received a few in stock to see what they are all about. I have to admit the marketing behind them is a little over the top, but some people are being a little to harsh on them without even setting hands on one. I will be posting pics over in the dealers forum hopefully tonight.
At first glance they really aren't all that bad. They are quite heavy, but very solid feeling. Beam has more of a flood as opposed to spot. I would say it is closer to 120 lumens in brightness, but this is strictly by "eyeing" and comparing it to my Pila G3.
I can't tell if the finish is HAII or III since they obviously offer both, but do not state which the X-11 is. It comes(strangely enough) with Kodak brand batteries.
One good feature is that it does accept our Lux III drop-in modules. I wouldn't let the cheesish ad campaign sour your tongue over this product. I wouldn't quite say it's Surefire quality, but comparible to Pentalite quality.
This isn't a review by any means, just a few quick thoughts about the product.
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
Regards,
Flavio
BugOutGearUSA.com
At first glance they really aren't all that bad. They are quite heavy, but very solid feeling. Beam has more of a flood as opposed to spot. I would say it is closer to 120 lumens in brightness, but this is strictly by "eyeing" and comparing it to my Pila G3.
I can't tell if the finish is HAII or III since they obviously offer both, but do not state which the X-11 is. It comes(strangely enough) with Kodak brand batteries.
One good feature is that it does accept our Lux III drop-in modules. I wouldn't let the cheesish ad campaign sour your tongue over this product. I wouldn't quite say it's Surefire quality, but comparible to Pentalite quality.
This isn't a review by any means, just a few quick thoughts about the product.
Let me know if anyone has any questions.
Regards,
Flavio
BugOutGearUSA.com
Lightraven
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A lot of this window breaking stuff is starting to /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif me. We see it on folding knives and now a flashlight? The ad copy says you can break the window with the flashlight instead of shooting out the back window. Man, they don't want you to have any fun!
Seriously, this happened a few weeks ago here. But we shoot to defend ourselves, not open up the windows. We lay down spike strips to deflate the tires--lots of that going on also.
I have been to a few accidents and the side windows are always the first thing to go. Punching them out is not an issue, in my limited experience. Our agency supplies window punches (not to mention crowbars) if anybody feels like breaking glass /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
Seriously, this happened a few weeks ago here. But we shoot to defend ourselves, not open up the windows. We lay down spike strips to deflate the tires--lots of that going on also.
I have been to a few accidents and the side windows are always the first thing to go. Punching them out is not an issue, in my limited experience. Our agency supplies window punches (not to mention crowbars) if anybody feels like breaking glass /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
IsaacHayes
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"Punching" out a side window would hurt. Heh, if you had something hard and sharp like keys though it would shatter right away. A collaspable asp or but end of a flashlight would do it.
Lightraven
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I once stabbed a butter knife through a plate glass door (don't ask) and it left a small scar on my wrist where the blood flowed.
Next time, I'll use my head, which I believe is much harder. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Next time, I'll use my head, which I believe is much harder. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
