Heretical LS question

brightnorm

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I am an ARC enthusiast and multiple AAA owner, so please don't tar and feather me when I ask this question out of genuine curiosity.

What is the advantage of the ARC LS AA over a 4AA incandescent, specifically the UKE Mini Q40 in terms of brightness, runtime, size, convenience, toughness and waterproof ability?

I know that the LS is moderately regulated, and the Mini Q40 isn't, but the Q40 will burn for about 4 hours with alkalines and most or much of that time it will be brighter than the LS. With rechargeables the run time will be a little shorter but it will be at a relatively constant brightness. Also, although it uses 4AA's vs the Arc's 2, it is remarkably compact and light and is nearly indestructible.

So what exactly is the LS's advantage? I don't consider the monetary saving of 2 AA's vs 4 AAs significant.

Brightnorm
 
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** mod edit - I removed two identical Brightnorm posts above, which had the unfortunate effect of rendering Jeff's funny comment confusing. Sorry about that, but I'm sure Norm didn't mean to post three times **
 
Arc-LS: Smaller physical size, no bulb to burn out, ability to use other batteries, whiter - more natural light, longer usable light and built like a tank.

IMHO, the Arc-LS is among the best flashlights ever built.
 
For my taste, the benefits are:

Size/battery flexibility, can't break the bulb, better beam (only guessing here, haven't seen the UK in question), better color, and built like a tank
 
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That may have happened when I redited my post. Embarassed apologies to all!

Brightnorm
 
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Geoff,

Agreed
Agreed
Agreed

d'mo and Darell,

Pretty convincing BUT - How can I buy the darn thing? I don't think they're available, are they? And if not, then when?

Brightnorm
 
The SLSs come out every now and again. Peter just told me it'll be about three weeks before the next batch is ready. I'm hoping to be first in line, since I've just had to ship one off to another member.
 
OK $75.00 but I want to be in front of Darell.

What? Wrong thread? Nah.... OK $76.00
 
You can buy three mini Q4`s for the price of one Arc. Tape all three together for a really bright light. Or divide them up...one for da wife, one for da kid and one for you for an exciting game of light tag.

Now before you jump...realise that you can buy TWENTY Everready Fish lights for the same price and start REALLY having fun and there great in an emergency...double as a lure.

This is why I recomend the fish light above all other flashlights...it`s just so cool.

And I just happen to have one...shall we start the bidding at...folks lets understand this light will imprees the ladies with how outdoorsy you are...yep...a real lady killer. And no reserve! OK, I`ll quit before everyone throws me out.
 
Uh, whut's the bulb life of the mini Q40?

Could you run it over with a -- wheelchair?

If somebody asks for a light, and you give them a mini Q40, they would say, "No, a WHITE light".

Fresh outta AAs? The Arc can use a very economical Lithium 123...I know, but I'm trying to make a point.

Fresh outta bulbs? Nufsed on this one.

Sooooo readily available (sorry Peter, couldn't resist...)

Twist-on, right? There may soon be a pushbutton switch w/momentary for the Arc!

(j/k about the last one -- DSpeck or others would have to get involved for that to happen)

Just my $1.380...("dollah-tree-eighty", a popular financial jest term here in the islands)
 
How about doing an extrapolation for ten years? If you allow the beams to be similar.
How many batteries, be conservative and say one set a month so that is 240-Arc vs 480-UKE. Bulb changes Arc-0 vs UKE-5?. New light Arc-0 vs UKE-1?. Number of times left in dark due to dead batteries or broken bulb Arc-0 vs UKE-too many. I think Arc wins in finances and frustration(lack of).
But my question how does the LS compare to the Scorpion or E-2 in real life? Is it about half as bright and half the throw?

Should this be in the Arc Forum?
 
This is from personal experience of using the UKE mini Q40, so there will be variation and YMMV. I have not had the chance to test fire the Q40 and Arc-LS side-by-side, though I have been priveledged to play with one thanks to Hotfoot.

Bulb life of the Q40? I dunno. Pretty darn long, though definitely no where near as long as LEDs are supposed to last. I had one for about 4 years, through my army stint and in to my university years. I hadn't yet changed the bulb when it finally got stolen/lost/misplaced. (Funny story that I might relate somewhere else.) Used it to help recruits find lost stuff, for fire control safety and a couple of others chores. Used in in a few all night crab hunting and fishing expeditions, so there are quite a few burn hours behind it.

Which brings us to the next question. How long do the batteries last? I usually average 3 battery changes per night of fishing. There is still quite a lot of light left, but you need to be able to shine out to see where the line is going and if the fish is going to get you caught up in rocks or other angler's lines. So a change after every 2 hours or so of use and the light is probably as bright as the Arc-LS even at that point.

Which shows up the next point, that it starts out brighter than the Arc-LS, especially if you're using lithiums. It does give an incredibly brilliant white beam with a hint of yellow, something like sunshine. But by the time it reaches 3hours of use on alkalines, the beam is considerably more yellow.

Could you run over the Q40 with a wheelchair? Try a car, or an army truck. I believe the ads used to show it being run over by a car. The one I lost was actually run over by an unladen army truck of the 3-ton capacity type. (That's a long story too.) Of course the truck ran over the whole thing, lexan lens included. No noticeable cracks, though quite a rough surface was imprinted on to the body of the light because of the asphalt. At a much later date (when I entered university), I used it as a dive light and noticed no leakage.

Which of course brings up yet another point. The Q40 is fully dive capable. I don't recall Peter giving that reassurance for the Arc-LS. How water-resistant is the Arc-LS anyway?

Finally some other quick points as this post is getting too long:
Cost. I can get a Q40 for about SG$25. IIRC, the Arc-LS goes for US$160 for the full kit. That's quite a few Q40s.

The Q40 is simple and robust. The prime component (lamp assembly) is quickly replaceable at low cost.

Batteries. Sure, the Arc-LS can take quite a few battery configurations, but that is accomplished through changing the battery packs. If you really wanted to argue the point, all that the Q40 head lamp needs is 6V in a battery format that can deliver high amperes. (Hmmm.... got an idea for a super bright headlamp using a large battery pack, PWM regulation and 4 Q40 lamp assemblies.
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) So you could conceivably build battery packs to take 2 CR123s, or the 2CR5 or whatever other configuration you want.

But when all is said and done, these 2 flashlights are great and robust and probably among the best in their class. The Arc-LS comes with a "Wow" factor for the technical minded, but a huge price tag. The Q40 has simplicity and price running for it. They both blow the mind in terms of brightness.

And personally, even having a Q40, I still want the LS because I can envision running it on single CR123 so that it will be small enough to fit in my jeans, though I will never be able to take it diving or fishing as the thought of losing something so expensive is difficult to stomach.
 
I'm lucky enough to have both, & like them both. I really don't consider them in competition with each other. If I were to need a light during the day, it would be the LS, as I carry it in my watch pocket. The Q40 would be back at the house & pretty much useless to me. Now if I were out night fishing in the boat, I'ld be useing the Q40, as the LS would be back at the house. The system works good. Proper tool for the job. They are both very good lights. TX
 
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