How do CPFers with huge flashlight collections look after all of those batteries?

Oztorchfreak

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When I see people with pictures or lists of their torch collection I have to ask what is the strategy of keeping up with battery deterioration, charging or replacements?

I have enough trouble working out when and if I have charged any of my small dozen or so in my collection.

Do you BIGTIME CPFers even keep batteries in that many torches?

Alkalines etc would surely be a leak worry if left unused for a long time.

And rechargeables be it Lions or SLAs have to be looked after the right way to ensure longevity.

And also there is the cost of supplying batteries for torches that are used or maybe never be used because they are so superceded that you would not seriously use them.

I don't know if this topic has been covered like some others ad nauseum.

What are your thoughts? :shrug:
 
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I've noticed that quite a few people number their batteries with marker and record how many times they have been charged, when, etc...
 
I number my primaries by how they're used. I keep them in "Sets" based on how there first used to keep the draw even. I also try to keep them with either high-draw or low-draw lamps.

2A, 2B, etc. are for my two cell "sets", 3A, 3B for my 3 and I keep them together unti lthey're too low to use with a two cell light, and I'll re-mark them as a "1" (i.e. 1A, 1B, etc.), where I can still get juice out of them in lights like my E1B or L1 Cree.

I occassionaly do a "battery inventory" and get fresh measurements on all my batteries, and it let's me know how "good" my battery stock is and when I need to buy more. I talso makes it easy for me to decide which batteries to replace with which when batteries die in a light. I just go down my list, and Set 2H measured at 3.17 during the last inventory...so I'ts a suitable canidiate to replace the batteries in my C2-HA w/ M60.

lovecpf
 
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I number my primaries by how they're used. I keep them in "Sets" based on how there first used to keep the draw even. I also try to keep them with either high-draw or low-draw lamps.

2A, 2B, etc. are for my two cell "sets", 3A, 3B for my 3 and I keep them together unti lthey're too low to use with a two cell light, and I'll re-mark them as a "1" (i.e. 1A, 1B, etc.), where I can still get juice out of them in lights like my E1B or L1 Cree.

I occassionaly do a "battery inventory" and get fresh measurements on all my batteries, and it let's me know how "good" my battery stock is and when I need to buy more. I talso makes it easy for me to decide which batteries to replace with which when batteries die in a light. I just go down my list, and Set 2H measured at 3.17 during the last inventory...so I'ts a suitable canidiate to replace the batteries in my C2-HA w/ M60.

lovecpf

You seem like a pretty big torch enthusiast to me.

What is the extent of your torch collection?

My small collection is already a pain to look after.

Do you really have charged batteries in all of your torches? :confused:
 
I've petty much banished alkaline cells from our household (except for D and 9V cells).

I number my NiMh (160+) and Li-Ion cells and keep the last charged date in a spreadsheet. The lesser used cells get cycled every 6 months, the others are charged as needed.

I only have 8 Li-Ion cells and they get charged when the voltage drops to around 3.9v.
 
I mostly use eneloop and protected LiIon batteries, they do not need to be recharged very often (less than once a year). I do not keep a log of individual batteries, but if I suspect a battery is getting bad I put it on a analyser.
For lights with CR123 batteries it is much easier, the batteries can last many years and do not leak.
My worst problem is light with standby drain, I have some lights that will empty batteries in a few months!
 
I use lithium in all lights that will accept them. My Tikkas, Glotoob, and solitary Mag 3D are the only exceptions.

I try to limit the number of lights with batteries. When I need to install new batteries I put the newest ones in the incans (and I mark them with the installation date) and then the cells in the incans go to a LED based light.

Right now I have about a dozen lights with batteries installed.
 
Do you guys really keep batteries in all of these torches?

I am astounded by the size of the collections I am just starting to read about.

Are you guys rich?

Do any of you have mortgages as well?

Did you guys have to take out loans or extend the credit cards to breaking point?

Since joining CPF only recently and being an Electrician using torches at a basic level for 40 years I am amazed at the level of enthusiasm and pashion that you people have.

What do your partners think of your collections?

I have often seen the expression here about "My wife said if I get another torch she will leave me. Gee I am gonna miss her."

Now I know why this is so.

I am not knocking serious flashaholics.

You guys ROCK!!!
 
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I only keep batteries in a few of my lights. On one side of my battery shelf the charged ones sit. On the other side the need to be charged ones sit. Sometimes I'll check the voltage on those that may have been hanging around a while. When my old style NiMH's stop holding charge they'll be replaced with Eneloops, which should make things even simpler.

Geoff
 
Good thread - I am curious how people handle their LiIon cells which don't get cycled often.

It's been noted time and time again that a LiIon cell which sits fully charged for a year can permanently lose up to 20% of it capacity.

Who does 50% charges until they need their LiIons, who cycles all of them quarterly and who has so many they don't know the state of any of them?

In multi-cell lights I date and group my LiIons based on the light they will be used in. I don't mix and match these groups. I am especially careful about mixing cells of different ages (based on time of receipt - who know when some of them were made).

In single-cell lights I don't worry as much.

I realize that I may actually have a battery in almost all of my lights - most are primary CR123s so I am not concerned.
 
Did you guys have to take out loans or extend the credit cards to breaking point?

LOL! This is why I hang out primarily, in the batteries/electronics section anymore. It's cheaper. Note, I said "cheaper", not "cheap". :naughty:

What do your partners think of your collections?

I have often seen the expression here about "My wife said if I get another torch she will leave me. Gee I am gonna miss her."
What partner? Oh, yeah, she was pretty handy, at times I suppose.:crackup:

Dave
 
i keep most of my LiIon batteries in refrigerator (~4 degrees), charged up to 3.8V ("LiPo storage" mode of iMax B6) for most capacity retention.
 
Good thread - I am curious how people handle their LiIon cells which don't get cycled often.

It's been noted time and time again that a LiIon cell which sits fully charged for a year can permanently lose up to 20% of it capacity.

Who does 50% charges until they need their LiIons, who cycles all of them quarterly and who has so many they don't know the state of any of them?

In multi-cell lights I date and group my LiIons based on the light they will be used in. I don't mix and match these groups. I am especially careful about mixing cells of different ages (based on time of receipt - who know when some of them were made).

In single-cell lights I don't worry as much.

I realize that I may actually have a battery in almost all of my lights - most are primary CR123s so I am not concerned.

All my lights use different types of rechargeables. For multi-cell liIon I have dedicated cells for that light (TK30 which I modded to warm MCE). I have 4 cells, 2 cells in the light, 2 cells ready to go. These are the new AW/Panasonic 2900 cells which may not follow the 20% capacity rule, but I still try to keep the ones in the light and the ones in the battery tube around 4.1-4.15 volts to extend their lifespan. I tried to mark these cells with a silver sharpie marker and they rubbed off, so I cut the corner off of a set of cell's label to prevent me from mixing sets. For EDC, the AW RCR123s are even easier to care for because the spacers I use in my pila easily limit the max charge to around 4.13volts, which is the perfect balance between cell charge and cell life for me as I change my EDC battery often (HDS rotary). Around the house and on the keychain I use AA and AAA sanyo eneloops. I simply rotate these and don't have to worry about storage or over discharge (due to cell behavior and rotation duration).
 
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You seem like a pretty big torch enthusiast to me.

What is the extent of your torch collection?

My small collection is already a pain to look after.

Do you really have charged batteries in all of your torches? :confused:

Wow...must have been out of pocket, and i don't look at the battery forum that often, so sorry for not responding oztorch. I have about 50 Surefires, and 5 of them use B65's (Rechargeable Ni-Cad battery sticks MFG'ed by SF). The rest are loaded with fresh SF CR123's...and they are all labeled. So, minus the 80 spare new CR123's I have, I have about 100 already loaded in my lights, so spares aren't really a problem. When my high powered lights start dimming, I'll take the batteries and use them in a more efficient light (i.e. once my L4 stops coming on high, I'll put that "set" of batteries in something like my Kroma, that can still operate on high even at the lower voltage. It's works out good, since my more efficient lights see more use anyways. Lights like my L4/M6/M4 are my "business"lights, and are mostly reserved for real situations (a car wreck, disasters, etc.), while my other lights are for general "goofing off" (camp fires, messing around the back yard at night, etc.). So, it works out pretty good...once the cells are no longer "fun" to use (too low on voltage), they get put in a stockpile for emergencies to be used in my battery vampires (Inova X5/X5-RD, L1-RD, 24/7, E1B, E1L, etc.).

I'm not rich by any means...my collection to a while to build...alot of dealings, etc.. I'd buy smaller parts, cheaper lights when I had spare money (if I saved it, it'd get spent by the wife), and then I'll sale what I don't after a few months of acquiring, and get a decent light. I lose a little money in the process, but it's the only way I can do it.

The wife has her Vera Bradleys purses, and while she gave me a hardtime at first, she's cooled to the idea...plus, I have so many now, when I do suddenly acquire a new "toy", it's easily hidden in my large collection...she can't really tell when I get a new light anymore :0)
 
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I wrap all of mine in bubble wrap bags and then arrange them carefully in a large cigar humidor that I keep in a hollowed out dresser that I have bolted to the ground with 2 padlocks and latches to secure it.... seriously... Or else my daughter would take all of my lights and lose them...
 
......i don't look at the battery forum that often......

You might consider changing that habit A.O.W., for two reasons.

1. It stands to reason that those who frequent this Forum are most likely to have the brightest, longest running, and most dependable flashlights/torches of any members here on CPF.

There are four important components which the lights we use consist of. Something that emits light, something to control the emission in a favorable way, and something which contains these components, along with a cell or battery to power it. Without the later, you might have good reading when looking through the specifications and the light may "look cool", but for the first three components to work as they were designed, a properly performing power source is very important.

For example, I have no doubt that there are countless CPF members with 500 lumen capable lights, that don't put out half that. This could be because they're running AA alkaline cells in series to power a light that draws high current, or because they're running "dead" NiMh cells, oblivious to the fact that the cells are "dead", simply because "they show voltage" after being charged. There are many other possibilities of improper matching of the power source to the application, as well.

2. And probably the most important. My light collection is smaller than yours, just the same, I've lost count for some time now, but I believe it's at about 40, or so. I've found that by hanging out in the electronics and batteries included Forum, that the temptation is a bit less to "buy both" etc. This has helped the wallet to some degree, but it's "cheaper", not necessarily "cheap".

With about a dozen battery chargers (really only about 5 in use anymore), over a hundred Li-Ion cells in 11 (I think?) sizes and/or flavors, 70 AA, a dozen or so AAA, and 4 "D" NiMh cells (yes that's four!) I imagine I have close to a $1000 worth of just batteries and chargers! While that pales compared to my flashlight collection, frequenting this Forum is still only "cheaper", not "cheap"!

OK, babbling "OFF" and back on topic. I should have mentioned in my (now old) first post, every cell I have is marked with a Sharpie. I don't keep spread sheets or anything (except temporarily, when periodically analyzing cells before they get remarked), but have good knowledge as to all the cells ages etc. All cells are marked from 1-xx, or A-x, and ranked by their performance. This allows use singly, or in relatively matched sets for series applications, using this method. When all chemistry of cells reach 80% of their original capacity, they are recycled, usually in groups, eg. sets of 20, or 4 or whatever. These "sets" are purchased at the same time.

All Li-Ion cells that are not in use are stored in a ~40% state of charge in the Fridge at 35-40F. This isn't really as inconvenient as it sounds, as there are usually a half dozen to a dozen charged cells out at a time, either installed in lights, or as backups. I store all NiMh cells at room temperature in a basically discharged state, eg. 1.20-1.25 Volt. Again, a few of the NiMh cells are either charged and installed in lights, or charged and ready as backups. Of course, all cells are rotated with the "stored" cells, when discharged.

I'll also note that with the exception of a few primary lithium AA, and Cr123A cells, I don't use primary cells much, with the exception of button cells. I think I only have about 5 or 6 alkaline AA and AAA cells. These came with various products when purchased, and I'll likely never use them. If I remember, I usually give these away. As I see it, for the most part, the "alkaline era" ended about 10 years ago, more like 25 years ago, for me.

Dave
 
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