Hurricane Milton

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The type of person who buys property on a barrier island doesn't understand how they are formed.

In the past million years, there have been at minimum three million hurricanes in the Gulf of Mexico
Million years is barely a tick in geologic time.
 
There are sections of towns along the Passaic River that flood every few years. Over the last fifty years or so, FEMA (I think it is FEMA) has been issuing grants, (either federal grants, or perhaps State grants) to the municipalities to buy up the homes. Yes, the floods had become more frequent, primarily due to over development, and developers now need to put in water management systems (detention ponds and such) before they will be granted permits.
 
There was a July 4th when I was a kid in the 70's that it was 95 degrees at midnight in Richmond VA. My brother was listening to a rock and roll station on the radio while lighting fireworks. At midnight the dj announced it was midnight and still 95 degrees. It's not that unusual that there are mornings at sunrise that it's still in the 80's. It's hotter in some places because of concrete and asphalt sprawl creating a heat bubble. As the sprawl expands so does the bubble.

One reason for the massive destruction is where people live these days. Used to be you went to the ocean to get away from civilization. Now ocean front communities and neighborhoods litter the landscape, with many being primary residences.

Often inland homes are built at or below historic flood elevations. It's just a fact. Go back in history and read about hurricanes and it shows why the red man had a saying: "white man build teepee where red man won't even hunt". New Orleans is some 18 feet below the ocean. My mother in law lives in a community built on the hills made when canals were built to drain portions of Florida in the 1950's. It's a wonderful place to live until hurricane season.

Is the weather changing? Sure it is. Always has. But many of these calamities are being caused by poor decisions on the part of the population being affected by them. I read an article in Readers Digest in the 1980's predicting these events because of the revenue all of these communities would bring to local governments.
Yeah, men don't always make the most intelligent choices but more than one thing can be true at the same time. You have heard of that phenomenon correct? You know where just because one thing is true other things can be true at the same time.
No matter how you wish to try to explain how people are affected by these choices it is still true that ice shelfs are melting, oceans are actually rising, and the water temperatures are getting warmer which causes hurricanes to be more powerful when they hit land. You know like that last hurricane expected to only get to 4 ended up getting to 5 fueled by all that warmer water. Not to mention the other side effects such as the flash flooding and approximately 164 tornadoes as a result of the last hurricane to hit Florida.
Just like the fact that Maui had a fire which was actually caused by electric line, however because they have had so much drought means things are going to burn more easily combined with the fact they had extremely high winds causing the fire to spread at a much higher speed. These to are attributed to climate. Had their climate been more reasonable there is a greater chance it wouldn't have been such a disaster. People actually having to dive into the ocean to escape the extremely fast flames as result of those things caused by the climate. Not unlike had the climate been more moderate the hurricanes the United States has experienced of late also wouldn't be so disastrous.
So whether you believe what most scientist agree it's still true the climate is contributing greatly to how extreme these disasters are becoming not to mention increased frequency. A hurricane rated at 2 or even 3 isn't going to be as bad as one that is rated at 5 or even 4. If water levels are lower then there is less there to surge or flood.
 
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The Maui fire was an example of poor decisions.

They have an annual drought much like some other parts of the US. But those grasses that burned so quickly were allowed to grow in big swaths near a bunch of homes and businesses. The power lines were old and delapidated, so sparks from them was common. Combine that with hurricane force winds blowing across the island and SHAZAM! Instead inferno. To make matters worse a bearucrat would not allow the water restriction to be lifted in order to energize fire hydrants. Climate change did not cause the devastation. Nope, the huberous of humans caused that calamity.

Why are storms getting more expensive in Florida?

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More homes are there so more destruction happens.
 
The Maui fire was an example of poor decisions.

They have an annual drought much like some other parts of the US. But those grasses that burned so quickly were allowed to grow in big swaths near a bunch of homes and businesses. The power lines were old and delapidated, so sparks from them was common. Combine that with hurricane force winds blowing across the island and SHAZAM! Instead inferno. To make matters worse a bearucrat would not allow the water restriction to be lifted in order to energize fire hydrants. Climate change did not cause the devastation. Nope, the huberous of humans caused that calamity.

Why are storms getting more expensive in Florida?

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More homes are there so more destruction happens.
Wow, you totally skipped over the facts that ice shelfs are melting, oceans levels are rising, and water temperatures are getting warmer, and we continue to set record high temperatures. Good job.
 
Wow, you totally skipped over the facts that ice shelfs are melting, oceans levels are rising, and water temperatures are getting warmer, and we continue to set record high temperatures. Good job.
Not trying to debate you. I did say the weather is changing but..... did you know there are a bunch of undersea volcanoes that were dormant that are now active?
Some scientists got bored listening to space and turned microphones to the ocean floor and viola, now they know why so many El Nino's lately.

Tectonic shifts have been taking place since land existed. A chunk of Africa rests against a plate near where I live. So as those changes occur so do the oceans.

If you open your mind you can know that even though things are changing, much of it would still be occuring if there were zero humans inhabiting the 3rd rock from the sun.

Did you know ferns and palm fossils lie underneath of all that ice up north? The planet changes. Always has, always will. Are we affecting the weather? Maybe, maybe not. Are we polluting the planet? You betcha. But unfortunately the conservationist movement has been replaced with a globalist shift to gain power by scaring the crap out of people. Follow the money.

I'll leave it there so that the conversation can get back to Hurricane Milton.
 
Not trying to debate you. I did say the weather is changing but..... did you know there are a bunch of undersea volcanoes that were dormant that are now active?
Some scientists got bored listening to space and turned microphones to the ocean floor and viola, now they know why so many El Nino's lately.

Tectonic shifts have been taking place since land existed. A chunk of Africa rests against a plate near where I live. So as those changes occur so do the oceans.

If you open your mind you can know that even though things are changing, much of it would still be occuring if there were zero humans inhabiting the 3rd rock from the sun.

Did you know ferns and palm fossils lie underneath of all that ice up north? The planet changes. Always has, always will. Are we affecting the weather? Maybe, maybe not. Are we polluting the planet? You betcha. But unfortunately the conservationist movement has been replaced with a globalist shift to gain power by scaring the crap out of people.

I'll leave it there so that the conversation can get back to Hurricane Milton.
I never said that the warmer climate was the only factor, but the warmer climate has greatly determined how severe these disasters have become. To say they have become more severe only because of other factors like more people have locating to certain areas is not the reason we now have more hurricanes reaching category 4 or 5 because that is determined by the climate.
 
I'm so old if a hurricane kills me I'll be OK but pleased to take my home from me. I need a place to live if I'm alive. Never thought I'd take it to 55
 
Here is a video of John Coleman, founder of the Weather Channel debunking global warming:


In the days before internet, folks had weather conditions. When they were freezing their backsides off during some of the coldest Summers on records, they were less inclined to be duped.

Oh! Hold on, this just in.... The movement's leaders have changed their official name, yet again! Now they wish to be referred to as Santa's Workshop Is Burning.

Seems an odd name-change from, well; pretty much all the others over the decades. I'm guessing it's to indoctrinate young children into the cause. Hmm.... Who was it who said If you give them to me young, they'll be mine forever. (Oh yes, the not-so-funny little man from Germany, with the Oliver Hardy moustache.)
 
I'm so old if a hurricane kills me I'll be OK but pleased to take my home from me. I need a place to live if I'm alive. Never thought I'd take it to 55
Honestly Raggie, you're doing better than most folks in America nowadays.
 
Honestly Raggie, you're doing better than most folks in America nowadays.
I think I'm doing fora man who never went to high school and truly had one idea what the teachers was saying in middle school lol. It was like they was talking another language lol. Luckily I understood how stuff worked. They was simple to me
 
Well it appears someone got arrested for threatening FEMA employees in North Carolina. Sounds like the media is trying to do damage control for FEMA, claiming they are there helping, if you can call giving electric chainsaws to people stranded on a mountaintop with no power who need to clear the trees off all the roads to get out as help. I hope when this is all over, we don't have the few survivors left holding a grudge with a movie made about them called "Appalachian Electric Chainsaw Massacre". When you put politics ahead of people, you'll pay the price.

Edit: I do not want FEMA workers who are trying to help getting hurt. Stupid decisions like giving electric chainsaws is clearly an executive decision, not by people with boots on the ground doing the grunt work to reach survivors and getting them to safety. Those people I commend for doing their job, often putting their lives at risk to save others. I pray that every person makes it safely down from those mountains unharmed with just a good story to tell their grandkids one day about how they survived and people were brought closer together through the struggle. I hope the one person who screwed up royally threatening FEMA employees doesn't get them to abandon everyone else in need.
 
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Well it appears someone got arrested for threatening FEMA employees in North Carolina. Sounds like the media is trying to do damage control for FEMA, claiming they are there helping, if you can call giving electric chainsaws to people stranded on a mountaintop with no power who need to clear the trees off all the roads to get out as help. I hope when this is all over, we don't have the few survivors left holding a grudge with a movie made about them called "Appalachian Electric Chainsaw Massacre". When you put politics ahead of people, you'll pay the price.
Let me get this straight. You think it's perfectly Ok to threaten FEMA employees who are only trying to do their best and are actually trying to help for a decision they had nothing to do with. How in the heck do you see this helping getting this thing resolved?
 
Let me get this straight. You think it's perfectly Ok to threaten FEMA employees who are only trying to do their best and are actually trying to help for a decision they had nothing to do with. How in the heck do you see this helping getting this thing resolved?
Absolutely not. See edit for clarity.
 
Absolutely not. See edit for clarity.
Well then following that line of thinking the media has every right and actually should call out the violence. Because for one those employees had nothing to do with the decision, and more importantly besides possibly getting some one hurt all that does is delay recovery which potentially puts lives in danger.

Tell me again, what was your original point?????
 
They were covering the arrest of the suspect, but they made it sound like FEMA was providing all the resources needed in the area and that wasn't true. Most help came from private companies and individuals. FEMA airdropped 3 pallets of battery powered chainsaws and told the people to get more information on their website when they had no power. People are stuck on a mountaintop with 15+ miles of roads with downed trees to get through to reach help. Some need insulin. Many are running out or are out of supplies. When people get desperate, they do desperate things. So do their nearby friends and family who aren't trapped and don't see everything possible being done to reach them. FEMA needs to lead doing everything possible to reach the people, follow the lead of the locals in a supporting role giving them everything they need to do the job themselves, or get out of the way. My guess is the locals think they aren't doing enough and are getting in the way of local rescue efforts. Whether it's true or not, hard to say. However, when someone is so desperate, they are willing to threaten the rescuers, you know someone likely died who should have been rescued or someone's at risk of dying in the very near future. That one guy may not be the last threat against FEMA agents if things are getting that bad for the survivors. They might pull out entirely if they find out they lost hurricane survivors and the locals turn on them. Their poor response has unfortunately put them in this situation. I hope they can turn things around and provide a better response before it's too late.
 
They were covering the arrest of the suspect, but they made it sound like FEMA was providing all the resources needed in the area and that wasn't true. Most help came from private companies and individuals. FEMA airdropped 3 pallets of battery powered chainsaws and told the people to get more information on their website when they had no power. People are stuck on a mountaintop with 15+ miles of roads with downed trees to get through to reach help. Some need insulin. Many are running out or are out of supplies. When people get desperate, they do desperate things. So do their nearby friends and family who aren't trapped and don't see everything possible being done to reach them. FEMA needs to lead doing everything possible to reach the people, follow the lead of the locals in a supporting role giving them everything they need to do the job themselves, or get out of the way. My guess is the locals think they aren't doing enough and are getting in the way of local rescue efforts. Whether it's true or not, hard to say. However, when someone is so desperate, they are willing to threaten the rescuers, you know someone likely died who should have been rescued or someone's at risk of dying in the very near future. That one guy may not be the last threat against FEMA agents if things are getting that bad for the survivors. They might pull out entirely if they find out they lost hurricane survivors and the locals turn on them. Their poor response has unfortunately put them in this situation. I hope they can turn things around and provide a better response before it's too late.
Details matter and this was not what your first post said.
From reading this and I really have no idea how much of what you are saying is true FEMA sounds like they were unprepared for this particular situation. Just because they are in the business of disaster recovery doesn't mean they are well versed in every possible situation or contingency. Then again expertise is only relevant to what you have the experience doing. Not unlike any other organization it is also true not every single element or unit within a larger group is always the very best group that an organization has. I imagine at this point FEMA's resources are being tested. Doesn't mean as taxpayers we don't have the right to expect FEMA to do better but they are human and humans have shown us the capacity to fail. All one has to do is look at Uvalde to see how the first responders failed miserably there. Doesn't also mean FEMA very well has done better at other locations at the very same time.
Anytime you have to depend on others you are at their mercy. Lets just hope FEMA can get their act together.
People have shown long ago when it comes to their news that they wanted sensationalism, well they got it. The news is no longer regulated and all sides are more focused on giving their viewers what they want instead of strictly the news. The news long ago stopped being a public service when the government no longer controlled their licensing. News was more a Public service, a money losing proposition, and there are much fewer reporters out in the field instead of commentators at the desk because feet on the ground cost money. When I grew up we never had a news agency lose a $700,000,000 defamation suit for lying to their viewers. Sorry, I mean we never had a news agency settle a $700,000,000 defamation lawsuit out of court.
 
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