Hydrogen car debacle. Toyota is in trouble.

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No it isn't. Especially as most commercially produced hydrogen is made from natural gas. So just as much co2 as gasoline it's cheaper to produce that way than electrolysis
 

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No it isn't. Especially as most commercially produced hydrogen is made from natural gas. So just as much co2 as gasoline it's cheaper to produce that way than electrolysis
Not clean except at the tailpipe. Water. It's expensive. More expensive than gas. Might as well drive gas. It's around $15 a gallon.

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I'm betting there is going to be a rash of freak hydrogen vehicle accidents forcing owners to buy new cars😂
 

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In NL some people predict that hydrogen driven cars a not likely to happen. So the main focus will be on EV's. Since battery driven trucks are a bridge too far for interstate transport, hydrogen could fill that gap in eco-friendly transport.
 

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And the wheels on the bus go round and round..... here we go again.

Want freedom of transportation at current levels or no more man made greenhouse gases?
Pick one. You can't have both.

They all pollute. Some less than others, yes. But at the end of the day something has to die for something else to live until propetual energy is capable of being adopted to the massive transportation industry. Be it freedom to move from point A to B or to move all of the "things" we rely on or just want.

Toyota's not in trouble anymore than Sony was when beta-max failed. Do folks realize how many pies Toyota have their fingers in?
 
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I'm betting there is going to be a rash of freak hydrogen vehicle accidents forcing owners to buy new cars😂
Nah! There will be a blowout or buyback. I would pull out the tanks and put batteries in. At this time you can get a brand new car for $15k, with a $15k fuel card. You could drive it (in California only) and when the fuel card expires, you could just walk away. Hydrogen is a big Boondoggle. California is the Patsie.
 

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And the wheels on the bus go round and round..... here we go again.

Want freedom of transportation at current levels or no more man made greenhouse gases?
Pick one. You can't have both.

They all pollute. Some less than others, yes. But at the end of the day something has to die for something else to live until propetual energy is capable of being adopted to the massive transportation industry. Be it freedom to move from point A to B or to move all of the "things" we rely on or just want.

Toyota's not in trouble anymore than Sony was when beta-max failed. Do folks realize how many pies Toyota have their fingers in?
180 billion in debt. That is a big nut.
 

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In NL some people predict that hydrogen driven cars a not likely to happen. So the main focus will be on EV's. Since battery driven trucks are a bridge too far for interstate transport, hydrogen could fill that gap in eco-friendly transport.
Unlikely with the Tesla Semi. Very capable vehicle. Battery only.
 

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Cummings is making engines that will run on diesel or hydrogen. If you heat up any kind of organic material and don't allow oxygen into it you get producer gas. This is hydrogen carbon monoxide and zillions of other compounds. This has always been known the problem is hydrogen makes steel brittle. Building multi fuel engins solves the problem. Your survivalist types are playing with this. Add a bit of used cooking oil so your exhaust smells like a french fry and the authorities will leave you alone.
 

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It's no wonder Pepsi, etc. are rushing to adopt electric trucks. California is forcing them on freight companies. Combine that with huge taxpayer subsidies, and they can't get enough of them.
The fossil fuel industrial complex has got trillions in subsidies, now the clean complex is coming by 2035. Plenty of time to get rid of your stranded assets and welcome clean air. This will not happen solely by the first of government, but by market forces. As the average driver sees the benefits and fossil fuel demand wain, because of increasing cost, the choice will become clear/clean. California has some of the worst air in the country(caused by costal mountains and stagnant air). I can vouch, as I have driven through LA back in the day and wound up with watering eyes and the stench of dead dinos. The Chinese have it worse. They are leaders in all electric mobility, from skateboards, bicycles, mopeds etc..to heavy equipment. We, except Tesla,, are falling behind. Electric is scalable, practical and efficient. You can make your own fuel or buy it on the road on long trips for no more than you would pay for gas. Electric has a financial advantage. That is why it will win and dirty and poisonous dead dinos will lose. It has to for our health. Like steam, horses, 8 track, Beta tape, VHS, Kodak etc they all had their day. All roads point to electric and renewables in all aspects of society..
Size of Fossil Fuel SubsidiesGlobally, fossil fuel subsidies were $7 trillion or 7.1 percent of GDP in 2022, reflecting a $2 trillion increase since 2020 due to government support from surging energy prices.
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According to Earth experts. Saudi region was once tropical, a shallow sea that dried up and left huge deposits of oil from decomposing plant base on the sea floor. They sure have one large supply. The raw crude must look and smell kinda like rancid vegetable oil 🦧
 

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According to Earth experts. Saudi region was once tropical, a shallow sea that dried up and left huge deposits of oil from decomposing plant base on the sea floor. They sure have one large supply. The raw crude must look and smell kinda like rancid vegetable oil 🦧
It built up for 100s of millions of years. We're using it up in 2 centuries. Not making a political statement, just historical data
 

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