Imalent R90TS King Of High Output Throwers?

[twistedraven]

Even a 5k output from CFT90 in the GT would be considered low output next to the 30k lumens output by the R90TS. GT4 will be more comparable.

 

[Patriot]

Haha! Yes, and fortunately most of the people on this forum know what it meant by "high output throwers" although sometimes I wonder if the term, multi-LED throwers would be more specific to the category.

 

[richbuff]

That annoying fan would make me want to throw it off a bridge! Not to mention it totally takes away any "Tactical stance" anyone had cause ur heard a 100 feet away.....:shakehead

Lemme know where/when, so I can catch it. I want another one, for my other hand; I still have two, it has not been chewed off yet by the vicious dogs that run the streets in my fair town of Prescott, Az. I might as well enjoy it by putting a second specimen of this high output "multi-LED thrower" in it.

Fan noise? My neighbors' at-large ambush attack dogs can already hear me way before I can hear them, even when I am walking down the street quietly.

 

[OnlyownEnergizer250lumen]

Even a 5k output from CFT90 in the GT would be considered low output next to the 30k lumens output by the R90TS. GT4 will be more comparable.

Are high (R90TS high) output throwers significantly more impressive and jaw-dropping to use than CFT90 4-6k high output throwers? Or are they equal in the sense of being floored? I ask because I think I am leaning more towards a ultra throw CFT90 now instead of a 10k+ lumen monster thrower

 

[Rasher]

Are high (R90TS high) output throwers significantly more impressive and jaw-dropping to use than CFT90 4-6k high output throwers? Or are they equal in the sense of being floored? I ask because I think I am leaning more towards a ultra throw CFT90 now instead of a 10k+ lumen monster thrower

That's subjective. The R90TS lights up a *much* larger area, at actually useful distances, than a BLF GT CFT90. The latter is impressive as a lightsaber, but not really useful until you're at optics needed kind of ranges.

So, to a light nut: depends on their particular sensibilities as to which is "more impressive". To a random observer: I'd bet on the R90TS being "more impressive".

 

[SKV89]

I actually think a random observer would be more wowed by an ultra long range light saber. Even my 220 lumen W30 impressed people way more than my 12K lumen D18

 

[Glenn7]

This is just my little opinion/rant so excuse me.

I'm finding it funny that there is what seems an uptake in the interest in multi emitter lights. They have been around for such a long time - the only differance is build quality optics/reflector depth for more throw. To only name one brand Ultrafire :green: probably nearly 10 years ago had lots of 5-18x led's that put out anywhere up to 20,000 lumens and had no heat issues because of mass and can be had for about $50 - or you could buy an Acebeam X80GT starting at 6x the price and probably after step down from size/mass would put out not much more lumens, but nobody was interested in them it seemed and not just because of qualty issues, it was that not many wanted flooders as they were not as much of a wow factor for distance. I know people that have had Ultrafire's for the last 5-6+ years with no problems to this day and use them every second day thinking and not knowing any differance.

Anyone I hand any of my lights to (what we would call amateurs :0) always go for the pointy or throwy lights no matter how much less lumens than flooders they put out, it's because of how we perceive light because our eyes only focus on the center of anywhere we look, We do have periferal vision but its never in focus.
Even if you say you need optics to view at long distance for long reaching high lux lights, there is still no substitute for amount of lux reaching any surface we want to see even at 50-100 meters meaning it's better to have more lux (where we focus our sight/attention) and be able to turn it down than to not have enough lumens that you can't turn up - also flooders often give you flair/glare/bounce back from dust/fog/rain/polution/trees/buildings and such therefore tricking your eyes by dilating the pupils (even if it's just a bit) then as it seems darker we want more lumens to compensate, tho warmer tints can help with that a bit (hmm now we are getting into rods and cones, very technical!) but with throwers your eyes are relaxed/un-dilated so you can see futher with less lumens.

 

[Glenn7]

I actually think a random observer would be more wowed by an ultra long range light saber. Even my 220 lumen W30 impressed people way more than my 12K lumen D18

Haha you just posted that before me you kind of hit the nail on the head :thumbsup:

 

[SKV89]

Ultrafire :green: probably nearly 10 years ago had lots of 5-18x led's that put out anywhere up to 20,000 lumens and had no heat issues because of mass and can be had for about $50

Are you sure those can make 20,000 lumens? In reality, if you have a lumen sphere like many of us do nowadays (I bought the Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with Maukka calibration lights), most of these claims from cheap lights are many times higher than their real output. Their spec'ed output are completely meaningless. The 20,000 lumen claim may very well be 2,000 real lumens.

Anyone I hand any of my lights to (what we would call amateurs :0) always go for the pointy or throwy lights no matter how much less lumens than flooders they put out, it's because of how we perceive light because our eyes only focus on the center of anywhere we look, We do have periferal vision but its never in focus.

It depends on where and how you use your lights. Most of my friends prefer floody lights because they are contractors that use the light indoors. Also I use my flood lights more than throw lights because I take alot of indoor pictures. The throw lights are only useful for outdoor night time walks and hikes. Personally, I like both flood and throw. They have their different uses.

 

[richbuff]

After more than a few years wowing and zowing the crowd at the community center that I manage with my Vinh flooders and throwers, I have found that deploying flooder versus flooder for wow effect depends on the physical scene. For best "oooh/aaah" results from the spectators, deploy a thrower down a few blocks of the street, and then deploy a flooder in the parking lot.


If I exhibit a flooder and thrower to one person first in the parking lot, he will be much more impressed with the flooder. Take the same person and the same two lights to the street, and he will then change his mind and be more impressed with the thrower.


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Normal people walk around with big dogs. They look normal. I walk around with big flashlights. My flashlights have bitten less people then Teds' dog.

 

[Glenn7]

Are you sure those can make 20,000 lumens? In reality, if you have a lumen sphere like many of us do nowadays (I bought the Texas Ace Lumen Tube calibrated with Maukka calibration lights), most of these claims from cheap lights are many times higher than their real output. Their spec'ed output are completely meaningless. The 20,000 lumen claim may very well be 2,000 real lumens. Well that's why I put a laughing imacon as a clause for 20,000 lumens, of course they aren't 20,000 but they do get to between 5-8,000 lumens easy, some people did bump them up higher - but my point was they have been around for ages and it didn't have to break the bank to have.

It depends on where and how you use your lights. Most of my friends prefer floody lights because they are contractors that use the light indoors. Also I use my flood lights more than throw lights because I take alot of indoor pictures. The throw lights are only useful for outdoor night time walks and hikes. Personally, I like both flood and throw. They have their different uses.

Yes different tools for different jobs.
I have twice or more flood lights than throwers, my work colleges are out door at night people so they all mostly prefer throwers - I guess I was from my experience saying that it's the throwers that seem to make people go Wooh! and grab at my lights for a go (in my world that is) anyway the R90TS is a beast and maybe overkill for inside but probably good for warehouses. It's funny you have the same 2 lights I have with different spec's, a D18vn with W1 it puts out 11,000 lumens and 173Kcd that has a hybrid of great throw and smooth flood, I also have an Acebeam W30 that has 500 lumens and 1.5+ Klux but I can tell you outside the W30 makes people go for it every time. They think we are weird/obsessed with lights, but we know they are weird for not liking/understanding lights

 

[OnlyownEnergizer250lumen]

So it kinda sounds to me like neither thrower or flooder is more impressive, it really depends on the environment you are using it in as to what WOW!s onlookers. Therefore, it seems logical to conclude that high output throwers are the best solution if you can only buy one and want to impress yourself/others for fun. (Unless you know for a fact you’ll be using the light 90% of the time in one or the other environment (which for me personally, is balanced).

 

[richbuff]

More will be revealed, in two more hours. I got my Imalent MS18 in the mail from Vinh a few hours ago.

 

[Newlumen]

More will be revealed, in two more hours. I got my Imalent MS18 in the mail from Vinh a few hours ago.

Congrats! Turn the night into day!

 

[richbuff]

Thanks! I just turned it on in the parking lot at the community meeting hall, where people are arriving for a 7:00pm meeting, and are used to high power lights, and gasps emerged from the crowd. Definitely a lot more light than 25,000 lumen X45.

 

[Patriot]

That's fantastic Rich! I'm so happy that you got this light. It makes it even better when you can share it with friends!

Have fun tonight!

 

[Skylumen]

Both MS18 and R90TS are very impressive by Imalent. I have handled quite a few and no issues yet. I predicted that they will be a big player the minute they get quality control down.

 

[richbuff]

Both MS18 and R90TS are very impressive by Imalent. I have handled quite a few and no issues yet. I predicted that they will be a big player the minute they get quality control down.

I jumped on them as soon as Vinh said Go.

The MS18 is over the top on small white room ceiling bounce in the eye overload department.

Outdoors: Think wide field big giant hotspot. The whole wide area is the hotspot. Throw is not too shabby, either. I would like it if Imalent offered battery extension, a la Fenix.

I lulled myself to sleep last night thinking what could be next in the Acebeam/Imalent heavy hitter competition.



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Normal people walk around with big dogs. They look normal. I walk around with big flashlights. My flashlights have bitten less people then Teds' dog.

 

[OnlyownEnergizer250lumen]

Boy would I love to experience an MS18 ceiling bounce in a small white room... a white bathroom or closet even.... most I’ve ever experienced in a room in my house was around 18k lumens total, including bulbs.

 

[MAD777]

Love the white room bounce, but that would definitely require good quality sunglasses, or maybe even a welder's helmet, LOL.

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