Introducing Mac XM-L Series

easilyled

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True enough. In fact, reality is worse than what I stated above:

The AW IMR 18650 cells claim 1600 mAh.
The AW black 18650 cells claim 2900.
The orange MNKE 26650 cells claim 4000.

For both kinds of AW 18650 cells, this is very close to what I measure on my CellPro charger (e.g. full charge of AW IMR 18650 typically reports 1570 mAh in). For the 26650, I have never seen anything close to 4000 -- best to date is around 2800. They may improve with a few more cycles, but definitely disappointing thus far. And unfortunately there isn't much competition in the 26650 space. In fact, as far as I can tell, there is no such thing as a LiCo 26650.

That is quite revealing. In that case it would be most interesting to know what the difference in capacity is between the AW 18650 3100maH rated cell compared to the best 26650. If there isn't much difference, then you're right that the extra width of the battery tube of the 26650 would be a disadvantage for more compact style lights.
 

skfurr1

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Also would like to know if anyone has done the same comparison between the 18350 and 18650 cells... The largest capacity 18350 cell appears to be the Ultrafire at 1200 mAh, and the AW 18650 is 2900 mAh. Since the 18650 is roughly twice the size of the 18350 then I wonder why the capacity is more than 2x? It seems to make the 18650 the sweet spot between the 18350 and the 26650, no?

BTW, I have Mac's 18350 EDC and his 18650 XML and they are both works of art. Mac's products are truly beautiful and functional!!!

Thanks,

Stephen
 

rda1

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Awesome! I really like the 26650 size light and am quite suprised I have only sold a few of them. Man it stinks to be sick! 8 million things to do but can't do anything with this head cold.....can barely type!

Get welll soon Mac, I am with you, darn sinus infection has been hanging on for a month.

I appreciate the rapid responses to my inqury and order this weekend.

I finally joined the forum rather than purely lurking.

Rich
 

cmacclel

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I like the look of the big one (26650), but don't like the battery


Batteryspace 4000mah 26650 @ 4 amps vs AW 18650 @ 2.6 amps tell me what cell is leaps and bounds better. Over 4000mah capacity for the 26650 and 2200mah for the 2600mah rated 18650.


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flashflood

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Batteryspace 4000mah 26650 @ 4 amps vs AW 18650 @ 2.6 amps tell me what cell is leaps and bounds better. Over 4000mah capacity for the 26650 and 2200mah for the 2600mah rated 18650.


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Interesting. I don't generally take 26650 cells much below 3.5V, because I'm using them to run XM-Ls in direct-drive mode (Vf ~3.3V). I didn't realize there was this much capacity left at the 3.5V point. Looks like I'd get almost double the usable capacity with your driver, which doesn't cut off until 2.75V. I stand corrected.
 

rkJr

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Mac, interested in the xml-26650 ti light. have you found an alternate source for 26650 4000 mAh batteries? They don't seem to be too available. Wondering if the IMR-26700A batteries would fit?
26.4 x 70 mm
3.8V nominal voltage
2900 mAh nominal capacity
4.2V to 2.5V
40A max discharge

Thanks,

Paul
 

christyli

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I have been working on getting out another slightly larger style light with the means of accepting either 2xCR123 or the infamous 18650 cell.

Specifications

-Integrated McClicky Switch and Silicone Boot
-German Quality Mineral Glass Lens
-O-Ring Sealed Throughout (Water Resistant)
-6061 Aluminum or 6al-4v Titanium
-Latest Cree XM-L LED
-3-Mode Low 150ma Medium 1000ma and High at 2.8a Maximum
-28mm Reflector with your choice of a Shallow (More flood) or a Deep Reflector (More Throw)
-18650 Style Length 4.9" (Shallow Reflector) 5.3" (Deep Reflector)
-Powered by 18650, 17670, or 2x CR123 (CR123 Limited use on High)


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Good, lights, I will consider to get one recently.
 

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Thanks for the link. That's quite a nice looking light, but I should have been more specific. I would be interested in a Ti P60 host with an 18650 tube.
 

Colonel Sanders

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Mac, a couple of quick questions for you...

1. Would it be possible to build one of these lights with a higher current? Maybe 4-4.5a instead of 2.8a? A simple high mode only would be fine. Even direct drive would be fine with me.

2. Would it be possible to build one of these lights with a heavily driven XP-G (looking for some real nice throw here.) Again, high only would be fine.

3. The switch used in these light is a reverse clickie, right?

Thanks! :) P.S. My 3300L is still my favorite light. :cool:
 

cmacclel

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Mac, a couple of quick questions for you...

1. Would it be possible to build one of these lights with a higher current? Maybe 4-4.5a instead of 2.8a? A simple high mode only would be fine. Even direct drive would be fine with me.

2. Would it be possible to build one of these lights with a heavily driven XP-G (looking for some real nice throw here.) Again, high only would be fine.

3. The switch used in these light is a reverse clickie, right?

Thanks! :) P.S. My 3300L is still my favorite light. :cool:


These lights use the McClicky which is not a reverse clicky. At the current time I am way behind on orders and struggling to keep up. When things slow down I could try to build you something :)

Mac
 

KuanR

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I will be ordering a XM-L 18350 Titanium and I'm wondering what options there are for the light. I see there's a different machining patterns on the bodies and heads and want to know what options there are. And would it be possible to get a different XM-L emitter?
 

grayhighh

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Mac, can i know what type of xm-l led you use in the neutral and cool white EDC series ? Ex.
XML T6-0A,
T5-5A3...

Thanks alot.
 
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