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Bttt.
Still Have four kits available.
turbodog
Flashaholic
Good luck selling them.
FYI, some states classify these as burglary tools... check your laws before buying.
FYI, some states classify these as burglary tools... check your laws before buying.
Not necessarily. It depends how they are used. The intent is a crucial part of the law known as mens rea.
turbodog
Flashaholic
Depends on the state. My state... simple possession of them is a crime unless you are a PI/cops/locksmith.
fulee9999
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are you sure about that? as far as I know mostly intent and other items in your posession define if it is legal or not, but also only a few states have actual locksmith certification, so just by saying you are a locksmith you will become one.
but yeah, generally don't carry that around, even if it is legal, it's not a good look.
Cops don't need lock pics, I was one for a dozen years. We have a Fire Department, they can open anything.
Intent is a critical part of what our laws are based on, without proving intent, a person can't be found guilty. Mere possession isn't guilt beyond a doubt.
What state and what's the number/title/ID of the law?
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Two kits left. Know your laws.
knucklegary
Flashlight Enthusiast
I've seen local cops using a "slim jim" to get into car doors that folks have locked themselves out.
I wouldn't think that lock pick set would not land anyone in jail, unless caught in the act..
Now, if a slim jim is found down your pants leg by the Law, while running from a crime.. Well, try explaining that one to the judge (-;
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turbodog
Flashaholic
5th amendment, you don't have to explain anything. The state has to prove their case.
The first link is very similar to what I was saying earlier.
The citation from MS law doesn't specify a tool. That's why intent and how it's used is so important, whereas mere possession isn't. Lock picks, screwdrivers, crowbars, torches, and cutoff saws are all common tools.
Welp, I'm out. Not legal to own where I live.
knucklegary
Flashlight Enthusiast
Circumstantial evidence.. In this case, if I were the perp, I'd throw myself mercy on the court ...and, hope my cell mate isn't a 300lb guy named Bubba
kerneldrop
Flashlight Enthusiast
A door ram and bolt cutter are part of my EDC
PoliceScannerMan
Flashaholic
I'm old school, I just knock.
turbodog
Flashaholic
Did you read the MS statute? It covers intent. And no, lock picks are not common tools. When wal-mart, home depot, or similar sells them... then we can call them common tools. When at least half of tool-owning the men you know own them, then they are common.
kerneldrop
Flashlight Enthusiast
knocking gets you shot.
You ram that door, toss in a smoke grenade and flash bang with the right hand, and keep the Malkoff MDC AA in the left hand on high.
Yes I read it, the difference is I understood it when I read it. And as I've said several times now, intent has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
It doesn't specify lock pick tools or any other tools by name.
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