Bright Scouter
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So, by the chart, the SF E1E w/KL1 is brighter than the standard lamp in an E1E? That's interesting!
Del
Del
LED already beat incandescent
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When I tried to list out brightest light for its size based on battery configuration for my own fun, I found that LED has won all title in single cell configuration, some even on 2 cell too. Please correct me if I miss any. I also listed 2nd brightest if the brightest is (or to be) discontinued.
1x AAA - ArcAAA
1x AA - ArcLS1 (discontinued)
1x AA - Infinity Ultra
1x123 - ArcLS1 Hybride 500ma (discontinued)
1x 123 - SF E1e w KL1
2 x AA - ArcLS1 Hybride 500ma (discontinued)
2 x AA - Wayne's Badboy 500 on mini mag (available soon)
Arc has won 4 titles but 3 were abandoned
By the way, 4 of titles are Badboy related. All of them are regulated.
Alan
1x AAA - ArcAAA
1x AA - ArcLS1 (discontinued)
1x AA - Infinity Ultra
1x123 - ArcLS1 Hybride 500ma (discontinued)
1x 123 - SF E1e w KL1
2 x AA - ArcLS1 Hybride 500ma (discontinued)
2 x AA - Wayne's Badboy 500 on mini mag (available soon)
Arc has won 4 titles but 3 were abandoned
Alan
hotfoot
Flashlight Enthusiast
Hee hee - Alan, your post makes me happy to be the owner of more LED lights than incandescents. Looks now like I'm set for even more!
(ahhh, but why oh why do the luxeons dim so damn quickly....)
(ahhh, but why oh why do the luxeons dim so damn quickly....)
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Reserve your KL3 and put it on 3 cell light, you'll get 7 hours of full brightnessOriginally posted by hotfoot:
(ahhh, but why oh why do the luxeons dim so damn quickly....)
Alan
hotfoot
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I think he listed a possible battery configuration, and then the brightest light available with that particular configuration.
If the brightest light for that configuration has been, or is going to be discontinued, then he listed a second entry for that particular battery configuration that will take it's place as the brightest.
If the brightest light for that configuration has been, or is going to be discontinued, then he listed a second entry for that particular battery configuration that will take it's place as the brightest.
RY, most flashlights are available in Hong Kong. However, they're normally a lot more expensive than in the States. For instance, I paid $36 for my first Surge that I paid $20.95 for my 2nd and 3rd one. It costs $46 for Scorpion and I got it from the States at $30.95
It means the Surge is around 71% more expensive and Scorpion is around 51% more expensive.
Sure Fire also costs more here in Hong Kong. The only time that Sure Fire cost less here is that Sure Fire enforced MAP in the States while Hong Kong dealers hasn't caught up yet. They raised their price around 2 months after US mail order house raised SF's price.
I think you were in Hong Kong at that time and make you an impression that SF is cheaper in Hong Kong. I purchased most of my SF from the States except 9AN and 10X due to its 220v power supply for the charger.
The only flashlight that cost less in Hong Kong is UKE products.
Alan
It means the Surge is around 71% more expensive and Scorpion is around 51% more expensive.
Sure Fire also costs more here in Hong Kong. The only time that Sure Fire cost less here is that Sure Fire enforced MAP in the States while Hong Kong dealers hasn't caught up yet. They raised their price around 2 months after US mail order house raised SF's price.
I think you were in Hong Kong at that time and make you an impression that SF is cheaper in Hong Kong. I purchased most of my SF from the States except 9AN and 10X due to its 220v power supply for the charger.
The only flashlight that cost less in Hong Kong is UKE products.
Alan
You think Hong Kong prices are expensive, spare a thought for us folks over in the UK.
The current cost of a Surge is £35, thats about $54 (US) at the current exchange rate.
Surefire normally work out between 2.5 to 3 times the US price
The current cost of a Surge is £35, thats about $54 (US) at the current exchange rate.
Surefire normally work out between 2.5 to 3 times the US price
EMPOWERTORCH
Enlightened
Everything here is expensive, not just torches! Think of how much firms have to pay in petrol costs to ship anything around the UK!
Size15's
Flashaholic
When I was in Vegas I found that it's not just hardware we Brits pay more for...
Candles are pretty cheap here in the UK.
The KL1 beats the MN01 of the E1e in my book.
The KL1 beats the MN03 of the E2e unless you need more then ~5-10 metres range.
My opinion is that the LEDs are catching up fast. Give the industry a couple more years and the flashlight incandescent bulb will be history.
I'm not saying that everybody will be using LEDs but those who now use better then MagLite will likely to be...
Al
Candles are pretty cheap here in the UK.
The KL1 beats the MN01 of the E1e in my book.
The KL1 beats the MN03 of the E2e unless you need more then ~5-10 metres range.
My opinion is that the LEDs are catching up fast. Give the industry a couple more years and the flashlight incandescent bulb will be history.
I'm not saying that everybody will be using LEDs but those who now use better then MagLite will likely to be...
Al
Josh
Flashlight Enthusiast
INCANDESANTS GONE? NEVER!
, that would have to be one mean LED
geepondy
Flashlight Enthusiast
Al, you're saying KL1 beats 60 lumen MN03 to say nothing of the MN02? Godfrey, I sure hope that Surefire shipped the KL1 units today as I ordered via two day shipping. I'll be sure to be home early on Thur. It will look ugly as a HA unit on my gunmetal E2 but I don't care!
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Alan: Thanks for the clarification. May be I will bring couple of "torches" to HK as gift next time I go there
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by x-ray:
Surefire normally work out between 2.5 to 3 times the US price
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Quoted from Surefire website: "For over 15 years now, law enforcement and military special operators have turned to SureFire for lights powerful enough to locate, evaluate, and deliver brilliant white light to temporarily blind and disorient any threat faced. Among these elite Law Enforcement and Military professionals, SureFire is the only choice".
Wondering if LEDs ever able to replace incentescent for these purposes?
Ron
AlphalphaPB
Newly Enlightened
Alan, where are you buying in HK? I bought my 6P at DenTrinity in Mong Kok, it was HK$400 (=US$52). Not a bad price.
I got my E2e on Ap Liu St. It was an impulse buy, cost a little more, HK$570 (US$74).
I got my E2e on Ap Liu St. It was an impulse buy, cost a little more, HK$570 (US$74).
Joe Talmadge
Flashlight Enthusiast
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've wondered why all LEDs provide such a dispersed beam. Why can't one focus an LS into the kind of beam pattern a SureFire E1 or E2 has?
brightnorm
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Al,
that's extraordinary and almost hard to believe. Is it that the perceived brightness is greater (at that range) or is it more the wide dispersion angle combined with relative brightness at that limited range?
Also, it seems that LED's are starting to prove their brightness potential, that they CAN in fact play in the same leagues as the incandescents. IMO not nearly enough work has been done to make them more efficient. I don't recall the latest figures, but last time I looked LED efficiency was very similar to incandescent. It's true that incandescent is a mature field and LEDS are still in a fledgling state but without a significant increase in efficiency the growing use and uses of LEDS will be compromised.
I am guardedly optimistic
Brightnorm
