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LED Head Light mod

McGizmo

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Hi guys,

Some of you know I have a cute little Vespa that is my preferred mode of transport with weather permitting and no need to carry the larger water toys. I went online and purchased a number of LED lamp replacements and was able to replace most of the lamps on the scooter with LEDs. I had to fabricate a little license plate lamp from some Nichias in series with a resistor and that left only the head light.

I purchased a replacement head lamp housing assembly in anticipation of attempting a modification. I kept this housing on the shelf for many months until I felt up to the task. The real challenge was working within the confines and geometry that is already there and I needed to be able to go back to stock with no problems. Most of the housing and even the handle bar shrouds are all plastic and they provide no thermal relief mass or surface area. The only metal I was able to thermally tie into was the existing reflector itself and with a high polished surface over the cast aluminum piece, its thermal contribution is questionable.

I had a large anodized piece that I had designed for the Makita flashlight and I used this as the heat sink and base upon which to cluster some LED's:




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The stock head light has a dual element bulb and a side mounted bulb that was probably intended as a parking or indicating light but the scooter is wires such that the standard head light element is always on when the scooter is "live" and there is a high beam switch that turns that element off while turning another element on. For my LED system, I elected to use three each Cree XR-E driven in series at ~ 900 mA for my standard or normal head light and three each of the Seoul P7 LED's driven in series at 2800 mA for my high beam option. I rarely use high beam and when I do, there are no other motorists around and I seek maximum illumination!!
The electronic drivers were mounted in the back side of the heat sink:
converters.jpg

The Cree LED's are driven by a Wayne Yamaguchi SOB converter set at 917 mA and the Seoul LED's are driven by a linear driver from LED-Tech.DE. As it turns out, the Cree LED's don't see the full power until the voltage to the driver is about 13.6 V which is in line with the scooter when the motor is running. When the scooter is brought live and prior to starting the engine, the voltage is only about 12V and the LED's are driven at about 200 mA. I appreciate this reduced load on the battery!
The Seoul LED's were mounted first and to insure proper placement, I used their reflectors to position them on the heat sink. I held the reflector assembly together with an O-ring that seated in a groove I turned into the reflectors. This groove is also where the key retaining washer seats and holds the whole package together.
O-Ring-retention.jpg

The seoul reflectors drop into some cylindrical stand offs which were bonded to the heat sink using a thermal epoxy. The reflectors are clamped into place by the central retain screw and they become part of the thermal package.
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Although I had many different ideas about how to manage the light output and shape the beam pattern, the reality restricted my options considerably. The one thing I did do was some "spill" enhancement to provide additional light in the foreground of the scooter. Unlike in a car, on a scooter, you can look almost straight down in front and at low speeds or while parking, it is nice to have good illumination in close. I removed portions of some of the reflectors to give foreground illumination both with the normal and high beam.
I also considered an over the top "blinder" of MCPET reflective film to chop the top of the beams and redirect the light down. However after viewing the beam pattern as it was and considering my typical driving conditions when I am often dropping into gullies or approaching a hill, I decided I preferred the additional light above the horizon and it seems that this light is not intense enough to be an issue for oncoming traffic. No one has flicked their high beams at me yet....
The stock head lamp and modified one:
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I need to point out that the lamp used in the stock head light is an after market "true blue" type lamp and in addition to blue, it gives off some other tints and interesting colors!?!
Installed in the scooter:
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I put a large hole in the stock reflector and the heat sink comes forward through it considerably. The heat sink has a flange on it that stops on the rear side of the hole in the stock reflector. I bonded the heat sink to the stock reflector at this junction and added a fillet of thermal epoxy both in front and behind the stock reflector. In mounting the heat sink this way, I was able to use the integrated head light adjustment screws of the scooter and dial in the beam direction.
Below are the stock headlight on low and then high beam:
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Below are the LED's on low and then high beam:
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The four beam shots were all done with the camera on manual settings with the same shutter speed and F stop. The camera had a wide angle lens and you can see the scooter in the right of the frames. The headlight was about 15-20 feet from the garage door.
My Vespa now sports solid state lighting and these lights require a fraction of the power that the incandescent lamps they replaced did. There is no way to justify this change over in terms of cost but that wasn't the point of the exercise.

I am glad I got this off my "To Do" list and frankly, the exercise has me interested in considering the beam shaping and management of lights that can and should be of an asymmetric pattern and not concentric as is the case of a typical flashlight. Headlamps, bike lights, area lights and even a walking lantern might be better off with arrays and even single element LED's which produce non concentric spill and spot patterns. The beam shots above don't really illustrate it but relieving sections of the reflectors increased the spill coverage quite effectively. If I had mastery of my CNC mill, it would be fun to design a reflector that had a variable focal length about its axis but with the same focal point.

If you have a linear array of like LED's behind like reflectors, the array could be bent outward or even inward so that the collimated beams diverged or converged and then diverged some and this would give you a fan or long beam compared to a circular beam. There are so many ways to play with the light if you have the time, need or inclination. :eek:
 
Wow. What a difference in brightness! waaaay more flood and spill brightness as well. How's the throw? Take some "down the street" pics when you can.

Oh, and does this mean you're going to have P7 reflectors available in different sizes soon. ;)

-Ed
 
Looking at the beam shots more closely, the stock high beam has more side spill. If side spill to the left and right sides are important, perhaps the bottom three reflectors could be ground away more on the sides than they are already to get more side spill?

-Ed
 
My street is a windy hill and exchanging one headlight with the other is more than I am game for. I really did want a comparison between stock and LED so I went to the trouble with the shots above.

I used some McR-27-XR reflectors for the P7's as is. I didn't want a well defined spot and an easy way to remove artifacts is to use more than one LED. :)

I have not designed or ordered any reflector specific for the P7 and probably won't unless some real need or demand arises. :shrug:

The side spill in the shots is visible but only because of the proximity. On the road, the part that really counts is the region represented by the garage door and the intensity dictates how far out the spill will be effective.
 
I combined all 4 beam shots in PhotoShop and then reduced the brightness by -100:

Beam-Group-reduced-brightness.jpg


This gives you some idea of throw and intensity. I think I might have been better served if I had canted the two lower XR-E's to the right and left of vertical to widen the spot a bit but that would have entailed a lot more work and it's a done deal now. I had to heat up the head light assembly and break the glue bond of the window from the housing. I reattached it with UV setting epoxy and this thing now is what it is.
 
I basically cut and pasted the first post from my web page to save time and I forgot to add some observations I wanted to share in this thread.

I used one of my bench supplies for powering up this mod during its creation and testing of the drivers installed. This particular bench supply has a max current out of 3 amps.

I also put a volt meter on the Vespa and measured just less than 12V when it was turned on so all lights but headlight were on and the engine not running. When I started the engine, the voltage went up to 13.8V. I didn't measure for a drop with any of the head lamps on.

On the bench supply, the SOB driver pulled max current of 780mA at 13.6 V and I believe I recall measuring 880 or 890 mA to the LED's. I did not record the Vf of either string when I had the chance to do so but both were below 12V which was my only real concern at the time. The SOB seems to have more overhead than I had expected and at 13Vin, it only pulls 580 mA from the power supply and drives the LED's at a similar level. Down at 12V in, it only pulls a couple hundred mA.

I was more focused on the linear driver on the P7's and I recall that it had similar I in and I out throughout the expected operational voltage range of the scooter. At 13.6 V in, the Linear driver pulled 2800 mA from the bench supply and drove the LED's at this level as well. The wasted energy then would be 2800mA x (13.6- Vf of LED string). I recall that the Vf was shy of 12 but danged if I wrote it down or can find the scrap of paper if I did.

My real concern was that of the thermal conditions. I ran the headlamp assembly on high beam for 5 minutes and I could touch the heat sink but it wasn't pleasant. This is OK since I don't think I have ever had a highbeam on for over a minute and usually it is just on for seconds. I ran the XRE's for 10 minutes and again, the sink was definitely warm but touchable. There are some intake ports under the handle bar which will presumably circulate air around the back side of the head lamp while riding and I added some copper strips in a "cage" arrangement to the back side which should incrementally help. I think I will be OK here. :tinfoil:

EDIT: Duh! I wanted to mention that the bench supply at 3 amp and 13.6V wouldn't even get the incan lamp to glow. That tells me that My new high beam uses less power than either low or high beam of the stock unit and the new low beam is probably 25% of the power previously required. No real surprises here but it is cool to see LED's step up to bat in a headlamp application even if the game is a weekend, sub bush league game. :)
 
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Next up, car headlights....:devil:



Or at least fog-lights..:eek:
 
Cuso,
I bought a pair of really nice PIIA fog lights for a Chevy ZX71 I used to have and I liked the beam so much that I bought a second pair for the truck and at times on empty back roads, I would drive with just the fog lights. We don't get fog over here; only vog when the kona winds blow like they are right now. :(

My GMC van won't get the treatment the scooter did and I wouldn't consider trying to do another head light without going full bore with access to some sophisticated mill work!
 
Cuso,
I bought a pair of really nice PIIA fog lights for a Chevy ZX71 I used to have and I liked the beam so much that I bought a second pair for the truck and at times on empty back roads, I would drive with just the fog lights. We don't get fog over here; only vog when the kona winds blow like they are right now. :(

My GMC van won't get the treatment the scooter did and I wouldn't consider trying to do another head light without going full bore with access to some sophisticated mill work!
Ohh I was so struck by the monster-cluster , that I didnt notice the heavly millwork on the reflectors...You did that by hand??
 
You live dangerously riding a scooter in the dark:nana:
:thanks: for sharing.

Is the Euro source the only way to get those 2.6A converters?

Was wondering if it would be better to have converter redundancy for low? That is one converter per LED.
 
Don,
That just what I need! I have a Vespa ET4 with a Malossi performance Piston and Head. With the upgrade the scooter has twice the carrying power and will get to 68mph with my fat *** on it. I ride at night alot and have always been concerned about overdriving my lights witch also I upgraded to 50w halogen
If you go into production I want one...PLEASE
or I could hold the MOBY **** TRINITY

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Cuso,
By mill work I mean getting fancy with the heat sink itself and having specific pads for each LED and not all in the same plane or even parallel to each other. I did the simple milling on those reflectors in my lathe because it was faster and easier.

Starfire,
The only source I know of for those linear drivers is the one I linked to. I should mention that the specs claim the driver has a thermal protection build in so for all I know, it may throttle down and protect itself and he LED's if they do get to hot. I bonded both drivers full face to the back side of the heat sink with thermal epoxy. Since the sink was anodized, I was able to bed the SOB directly in a nice puddle of the epoxy just like you would a LED. I have faith that the one SOB would be fine and not fail on me and even if it did, I could finish the ride on the high beam. The converters are the only components that I still have good access to.

Griff,
Cool on your Vespa! :thumbsup: You can be certain that I won't be going into production on these. :p I would guess that that Moby **** would light the way and then some and some more and some more...
 
Nice job Don.

I bought my wife a Vespa clone (Metropolitan) a few years back. Something tells me that even with the upgrade, she couldn't tell, and even if she could, she would want the old style back because one blind person flashed their high beams at her!!!

Sweet concept light!

Joseph
 
You know, for a second I thought you made a headlight (the kind you wear on your head) and was pretty stoked...but this is nice too. :D
 
That is the coolest headlight I've seen. Makes me want to buy a Vespa :laughing:
 
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