Led Lensers

[McAllan]

I bet that turning the light off and then right back on again would not work.
To me the higher output at the start of the graph looks like little added output that you might get with fresh/rested batteries while the battery voltage is high.
For example I don't think people that use Nitecore D10 with 14500's try to switch the light on/off in hopes for max output again after the light has faded a bit 😛

That's not the case with M14/M7. Is by design. Yeah you can discuss if it's stupid, fine with me as that's a pure personal point of view. At least if people will acknowledge that and accept the facts - only thereafter we can discuss the subjective personal opinions.
The drop after 5-7 minuttes or actually it fades slowly from 5 to 7 minutes. It's NOT caused of battery voltage dropping. With 4 NiMH voltage is way over the supply voltage if the LED. With a LiIon in the D10 the DROP is because it's direct drive - which is is NOT in the LL. In the LL it'll go direct drive only when battery voltage drops so much they're depleted anyway. You cannot direct drive a 4 cell light with NiMH or alkaline (except the weak button cells) without ruin the LED.

Seems that the discussion about Led Lenser's never change in here, always the same topics come up again and again.. even Marduke seems to have gotten tired of it 😉

It's because there's a lot who has pre opinions regarding past lights that they assume is also true for the new M series. If only they would either open their eyes or at least state that their "knowledge" is from past lights. Geez it's a wonder how new inventions ever manages getting past the inventors garage in this world.

 

[JaguarDave-in-Oz]

From Coast's Web site:

Lifetime Guarantee

COAST guarantees its COAST knives, tools and COAST LED Lenser Lights to be free of defects in materials and workmanship for the life of the original purchaser. …
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It appears that the retailer to which you linked made an error. It happens.

I'm not sure that I understand the relationship of the American "Coast" company to the German "Zweibruder" company who claim to design and make Led Lenser torches. Does anyone here actually know?

Suffice to say that just because the American firm Coast warrants for "life" the Led Lenser items they retail might not necessarily mean that a seller in another country such as the UK (where "lovingoutdoors" seems to be) will give the same warranty period to those to whom it sells Led Lenser torches. Additionally, I'm guessing that both are likely to be a separate issue to whether Led Lenser torches carry some sort of manufacturer warranty to back up the retailer warranty.

 

[McAllan]

I'm not sure that I understand the relationship of the American "Coast" company to the German "Zweibruder" company who claim to design and make Led Lenser torches. Does anyone here actually know?

Suffice to say that just because the American firm Coast warrants for "life" the Led Lenser items they retail might not necessarily mean that a seller in another country such as the UK (where "lovingoutdoors" seems to be) will give the same warranty period to those to whom it sells Led Lenser torches. Additionally, I'm guessing that both are likely to be a separate issue to whether Led Lenser torches carry some sort of manufacturer warranty to back up the retailer warranty.

Agree it's "funny" that LL is Coast in US. Perhaps problem with the name? Or they might have outsourced distribution etc. and the distributor wan't their name to be on the lights? Pure guess work.

Anyway the warranty issue may also very well be that they've figured they might have been a little too generous in the past.
Even a company as MagLite does not have as much warranty on the LED lights as on the incan. In fact even write that their warranty does not cover LED burnout or LED module failure
They do however also state that this "warranty" in no way reduces the warranty they (or your dealer) are required to maintain by law. That is in EU it's no problem to have a failure covered by warranty/reclamation right within the first 24 months. All you have to do is state that it has just been used as an ordinary flashlight not being on for 24/7 (or else failure is not because of natural wear for a LED light). That should be rather easy.

 

[DM51]

Seems that the discussion about Led Lenser's never change in here, always the same topics come up again and again.. even Marduke seems to have gotten tired of it

Hmm... actually, I don't think he has... 😗

 

[JaguarDave-in-Oz]

They do however also state that this "warranty" in no way reduces the warranty they (or your dealer) are required to maintain by law. That is in EU it's no problem to have a failure covered by warranty/reclamation right within the first 24 months. All you have to do is state that it has just been used as an ordinary flashlight not being on for 24/7 (or else failure is not because of natural wear for a LED light). That should be rather easy.

I forgot that UK is part of the EU.

In Australia we have some state sponsored consumer protection laws but nothing so well spelled out as those you describe in the EU. Ours relate more to goods being fit for the purpose sold for a "reasonable time" given the nature of the goods and some other factors. Very smudged at the edges.

and I did wonder if it was only Mr Marduke who got tired.

 

[jupello]

That's not the case with M14/M7. Is by design.

Oh.. wonder why they made it that way, surely there must be some reason?

It's because there's a lot who has pre opinions regarding past lights that they assume is also true for the new M series. If only they would either open their eyes or at least state that their "knowledge" is from past lights. Geez it's a wonder how new inventions ever manages getting past the inventors garage in this world.

Yep, I've noticed that too 🙁

Hmm... actually, I don't think he has... 😗

Haha, but it's already page 4 on this LL thread and no single post by him :laughing:

 

[DM51]

Haha, but it's already page 4 on this LL thread and no single post by him :laughing:

You'd be surprised...

 

[Egsise]

Mods see IP's...:tinfoil:

 

[mcnair55]

I forgot that UK is part of the EU.

In Australia we have some state sponsored consumer protection laws but nothing so well spelled out as those you describe in the EU. Ours relate more to goods being fit for the purpose sold for a "reasonable time" given the nature of the goods and some other factors. Very smudged at the edges.

and I did wonder if it was only Mr Marduke who got tired.

Forget about EU warranty claims each country is different when it should be the same,lots of cheating going on here.UK you get a standard 12 month ticket on most items.If you buy from Aldi/lidl supermarkets in the UK you get a standard German 3 year ticket.

In the UK if item proves faulty within the first 30 days,it is the consumers choice for a refund/replace or repair,after that it becomes the sellers choice.

 

[JCD]

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[Turbo DV8]

Directed to anyone who might be familiar with the M7 and/or M14...

My P14 has a wider beam than my P7 at full flood, but at the expense of a mildly annoying ring in the P14's beam, which is compeltely absent on the P7. The review for the M7 states that it's beam floods wider than the P7. My question is, does the M7 have that concentric ring in flood mode that my P14 does? Same question applies to the M14. I love my P14, but it irks me slightly that it's flood is not that flawless wall of light that my P7 provides, albeit slightly smaller diameter.

 

[Turbo DV8]

Anyone in the US even know where to buy a M7 or M14 in the US? I can't find any available.

 

[tigervn]

Anyone in the US even know where to buy a M7 or M14 in the US? I can't find any available.

In the US, LL M series comming soon. M7 use AAA and M7R use 18650 bat.
http://www.coastportland.com/thumbnails.php?catid=12&mastCat=3

 

[don.gwapo]

Check this: http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=3068097&postcount=1. Somebody have it already since last year.

 

[wild thing]

4 Years later (2014) !!! and was just wondering peoples opinions on new LL torches? X series and .2's

Personally, I've had several Led lensers in the past, the Police Tech, P14, original M14, and now I have the new M14 (2014 updated version) and think its a great torch when in use. I especially like how well they throw and its brightness. I also purchased the new Nitecore EA41 a few weeks ago, and even though its rated to be 960 lumen compared to 300 of M14, the M14 doesn't seem to be that far behind in terms of brightness (by eye)

Also, I've found Led lensers aftercare support to be excellent. I inquired about a simple O-ring replacement, and they sent me a complete tail cap with battery cage straight away as the solution. No questions asked, Nice... Ive also had dealings with them in past, and they sent me a holster free of charge. All in all excellent

 

[ven]

The latest lenser i have is the t7.2,find it a great light,like the lockable head so no movement on the zoom. 5yr warranty and the one time i needed it(few year back with t7 switch ) i got a free part sent out and received next day. Its took me longer to receive an email off fenix about a faulty e25 head(1 week for reply and 3 weeks on and still waiting for part) and as for klarus..........wow it took relentless emails to eventually getting one back a month later. Required a clip and in short would not send,told me of a shop/dealer in UK , £6 for clip and £4 delivery(about $16 total) for a p1a clip that snapped in 1st week ..........needless to say its my 1st and last of that brand,once bitten....

Everyone has different experiences,there are better flashlights,however not always better CS when needed..........just my experiences(so far)🙂

 

[mcnair55]

The latest lenser i have is the t7.2,find it a great light,like the lockable head so no movement on the zoom. 5yr warranty and the one time i needed it(few year back with t7 switch ) i got a free part sent out and received next day. Its took me longer to receive an email off fenix about a faulty e25 head(1 week for reply and 3 weeks on and still waiting for part) and as for klarus..........wow it took relentless emails to eventually getting one back a month later. Required a clip and in short would not send,told me of a shop/dealer in UK , £6 for clip and £4 delivery(about $16 total) for a p1a clip that snapped in 1st week ..........needless to say its my 1st and last of that brand,once bitten....

Everyone has different experiences,there are better flashlights,however not always better CS when needed..........just my experiences(so far)🙂

Led Lenser the worlds best seller and thanks Mr Ven,very pleased with my 7.2,makes a great farm building checker at dusk.

 

[JaguarDave-in-Oz]

well, four years on and a message comes to my email that someone has restarted this thread so I thought I'd come on over and see what's what.

Since I commented four years ago some things have changed, some things have stayed the same. I've tried a few different torches in the intervening years, here's a little list of what's happened to them all:

Eagletac P20C2 mkII- nice and bright and easy to use but the beam is not sharp enough to cut through fog or smoke and its contacts in the head require almost constant cleaning. A torch guaranteed to let you down the moment you really need it. You're fired.

Nitecore D10 - for around the house jobs was ok but failed early - You're fired.

Nitecore EA1 - Was very useful for working in the shed on cars etc but always found it turned on in my pocket and does odd things when battery gets a little low - You're fired.

Quark Turbo C2 - Still in my pocket for everyday use but the fact that it's regulated is very frustrating. As with most regulated torches there's very little time to indicate battery is low enough to shut off without warning. Dangerous and drives me mad and if it wasn't for the ease of fitment into my pocket it would be fired just because of that issue.

Led Lenser P4 RFS - sitting on my desk inside for fiddly jobs on electronics etc. Love the instant change to flood. Not very bright though.

Led Lenser P14 - Used three or four times a week. Huge battery life, great spot beam, I've used it to find burglars, shoot foxes, find horses and a bunch of other stuff. Still running on Duracell alkalines but only because I've never come across a good set of D cell rechargeables where I live. Had to cover it in grip tape cos it's a slippery thing without it, especially out in storms when wet.

Led Lenser P7 - I still use it multiple times every night. It has never failed or even flickered, great spot beam, very useful flood, I've stuck grip-tape around it to solve the slipperiness problem. This torch has survived work during floods, fires, car crashes and all sorts of real life dramas and if I know I need something totally reliable it's the one I grab. It gives you a very long time of indication that it's time for a battery change so you are never stuck with it going dark in the middle of its job so it's a very safe torch. I would still prefer a screw head adjustment rather than the push pull but that's about it, no other complaints. If the torch wasn't so fat it would be in my pocket day and night in preference to any other torch. It has now worked perfectly for about five years on nothing other than rechargeable batteries.

My tastes in torches have "matured", I now know that regulated torches are completely wrong for my real world uses. The sudden shut off of light can leave you stuck in the dark in the middle of nowhere and most of the "modes" are pointless gimmickry. On the other hand the supposed gradual reduction in brightness of a non-regulated Led Lenser torch has never presented any problematic issue to me, it's only when they get to near end of battery life that my lensers stop giving more light than I need.

I have come to the conclusion that my old well worn P7 is the most useful, reliable and practical torch I own. The best by a mile.

 

[NoNotAgain]

Ive got a couple of the V2 UV light models as well as the P3AFS and a few H,P,T7 series lights and a F1. Other than having to clean the pocket lint out of the head from time to time, they've been great lights. I wish that they were double A powered instead of triple A, but both cell types are cheap when purchased in bulk via the wholesale club.

The only Led Lenser light I now carry is the P3AFS clipped to my belt loop since it's small enough to be out of the way, yet gives off enough light for most close at hand tasks. Otherwise, my Surefire P6 with a 3 mode LED drop-in is my go to light.

Once one of the 7 series lights die, I'll use the body for a host and stick an 18650 inside with a XM-G led.

 

[brickfollett]

Hey guys im from australia,

im wanting to get maybe an p7 or m14, ive been told the m14 is better however i wana know is it much better or not worth it, or is there an even better led in the same price range??

Always been impressed with the leatherman company, I own 3 of their multitools, wave, squirt and style PS. But I've always been disappointed with the specs of the Lenser...