Lowes Task Force 2C and Professionals Favorite 2C MC-E mods

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When I first began collecting LED flashlights, these were two of my favorites, the Lowe's Task Force 2C and the Professionals Favorite 2C.

I wont give a history lesson about them as they were pretty popular and impressive when they first came out. I'm sure there's plenty about them here at CPF.

They're still two of my all time favorites.
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...but, as technology advanced, these didn't thrill me as much as they used to and I wanted more power from them. Time to update these two to some quad die emitters...

(I have a third, which is another Loew's 2C that I kept closer to stock, keeping the collimator and just changing the CREE XRE to warm white and doubling up on the drivers using one I pulled from the LTF2C above. Also, I modded the switches on all three to forward clickie after finding I liked the action on the Maglites better than these reverse click switches.)

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Unable to find a suitable driver that would boost two high current NiMH C to drive a P7 or MC-E at 3A, I opted to change the battery configuration. Desperate to keep the battery chemistry safe for my kids, I adapted these 6AAA holders I got from Dorcy Direct for $1 ea. I changed them from 3s2p to 6s for 7.2V operation. In this way, I could direct drive an MC-E wired as 2p2s. The holders are a bit longer than 2C batteries and the forward click switches are also taller, so I had to do some trimming, spring clipping, epoxying, etc. In this config, 2 Li-ion 18500s work just as well, sagging just enough to keep from cooking the MC-Es.

Unfortunately, the 34mm Fraen MC-E reflectors I opted for did cook. Check out the warping on this one:
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Not suitable for high current, depite claims.

Time to get radical. Aluminum reflectors don't melt easily, right? Darn, the pill that came with this one wont fit the modded serial star the MC-E was mounted on. It's so darn small too, will silver thermal epoxy conduct heat well enough with this little heatsink? No problem, I'll just heat it up in frying pan to desolder it, and use this handy plumbers propane torch to solder it directly to the reflector base. Solder conducts heat better than epoxy, right? (Don't try this at home, kids!):
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After soldering solid 24ga. wires to the emitter, I electrically isolated them (and thermally conducted them) with some AAA.

That orange peel coating of the KD 35mm AL reflector sure stood up to the heat of the torch well while I melted the solder paste. (How else could I get it perfectly centered?

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No worse for the blowtorch, uh, wear.

As long as I'm changing things up, I thought I'd add some regulation this time. I had a KD 8x7135 2.8A driver laying around that I never used. It's only spec'd for 6V input, but those little AAA Duraloops must sag plenty under the load of an MC-E + driver, right?
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Here's the remodded next to the first DD mod. Current draw off the 6AAA pack is 2.58A at the tail cap. Judging by the output, I'd say the full 2.8A are making it to the MC-E. Nice!

Here's the business end of the two modded torches.
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The neutral white MC-E in the Lowes torch sure took a beating. I took some chances with it when mounting to the star and de-mounting using my makeshift hotplate, but I never would have bet that it would have tolerated several re-positions with the blowtorch.

And here's the beauty shot.
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The beam profiles look remarkably similar, which is surprising, because I've tried a dozen different reflectors with MC-E and no two look alike. In this case three, the Ultrafire C2 I modded with MC-E (also ~35mm) matches these very closely.

I wonder if that 8x7135 driver would hold up to 2 LiFePO4 C cells? Those things don't sag at all, so I'd be looking at ~6.6V to the driver, 10% over spec. Runtime would be awesome though ; )
 
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Couldn't resist - I had another 8*7135 driver, so I switched the cool white emitter in the Fraen reflector to 4P and wired up the driver to that. Now they're both regulated. I fully charged up the 6AAA Eneloops and used each in short bursts to see if the 7135s could handle the over voltage. They did. Then my daughter gave the Fraen reflector a bit of a torture test with an extended run in the back yard that I had not planned for. I happy to report that it did not warp under the heat of the MCE regulated to 2.8A, which is more than I can say for the last one wired as 2p2s and directly driven by 2x18500. These are now both brighter than my regulated 4*CREE Q5 modded Streamlight torch.
 
Hmmm, I was under the impression that soldering the MCE directly to that brass pill would cause a short?

Any beamshots?
 
Hmmm, I was under the impression that soldering the MCE directly to that brass pill would cause a short?

Any beamshots?

The MC-E slug is electrically isolated (unlike the P7 where the slug is also a positive connection), so no, no short as long as the legs are bent up slightly to avoid contact with the pill.

Here's a beamshot from the cool white emitter in the 34mm Fraen while it was still direct drive 2p2s. Now that it's 4P driven by the 8x7135 2.8A regulator, it's even brighter:

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You know you can’t melt reflectors with LEDs right😗? LED are made from plastics they would have to melt first. Also that Professionals Favorite’s new reflector is Sweet:twothumbs!

Of course I was joking about melting a metal reflector, but you know you can melt plastic reflectors with LEDs, right? Look at how the plastic Fraen melted (pictured above) with the MC-E directly driven from 2x18500 LiCo batteries. Granted, it probably took a long time to do it. (My wife ran the cells from fresh to drained, so I have no idea when in the discharge it warped.) I've also melted a plastic 35mm collimator in a 3C RayOVac torch that I modded with an MC-E by direct driving it on 3 NiMH cells for about a half an hour. That sucker was hot!

Here's the before shot (an unmelted one):
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And here are some pics after I let it cool and harden again and then tried to clean-up the back a bit. You can see the square indent where the collimator's bottom melted around the MC-E base.

Angle:
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Back:
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Through the front:
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...And back to these lights... I just ordered 4 LiFePO4 C-sized cells from Download which should give me about 2.5x the runtime I have on the 6AAA Duraloops (which I'll now have available to use in my remotes).:party:
 
Of course I was joking about melting a metal reflector, but you know you can melt plastic reflectors with LEDs, right? Look at how the plastic Fraen melted (pictured above) with the MC-E directly driven from 2x18500 LiCo batteries. Granted, it probably took a long time to do it. (My wife ran the cells from fresh to drained, so I have no idea when in the discharge it warped.) I've also melted a plastic 35mm collimator in a 3C RayOVac torch that I modded with an MC-E by direct driving it on 3 NiMH cells for about a half an hour. That sucker was hot!

...And back to these lights... I just ordered 4 LiFePO4 C-sized cells from Download which should give me about 2.5x the runtime I have on the 6AAA Duraloops (which I'll now have available to use in my remotes).:party:

I‘m sorry I doubted you😳. I can’t even believe that even happed😱! Why didn’t the LED doom melt first😕? I’ve heard many people say this was impossible, I guess not😱oo:.

Back on topic😗: were did you get those new C cells? I have been looking at larger Li cells for away now, but I can’t seem to find them anymore.
 
I‘m sorry I doubted you😳. I can’t even believe that even happed😱! Why didn’t the LED doom melt first😕? I’ve heard many people say this was impossible, I guess not😱oo:.

Back on topic😗: were did you get those new C cells? I have been looking at larger Li cells for away now, but I can’t seem to find them anymore.

The CREE MC-E (and XRE) domes are glass (or some super-strong glass-like polymer) so they basically don't melt. I don't think there's any plastic on the XRE and I guess the MC-E rectangular black base is extremely heat resistant.

About the LiFe C-Cells, I think I got the last four of Download's sample run and as they're below the spec he was aiming for, I'm not sure there will ever be more of them. AW makes incredible LiMn cells in just slightly fatter than C-sized that are awesomely powerful. Do a search for IMR, LiMn, or "Safe Lithium" over at CPF marketplace, there's several varieties and places you can get big safe chemistry Li cells nowadays.
 
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