Lumintop TD-15 Terminator (XP-G R5) Thrower Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS and more!

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Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:05 PM GMT

Sorry some shots are out of focus, I found that this is not easy to capture when I am not focus on the hotspot, apologize if any in-convenience occured.
Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:15 PM GMT

Group Two: (20metres)

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Re: Lumintop TD-15 Terminator (XP-G R5) Thrower Review: RUNTIMES, BEAMSHOTS and more!
Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:23 PM GMT

Group Three: (50metres)

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Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:35 PM GMT

Group Four: (100metres)

Principle Environment

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Vehicle Heamlamp

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List of Flashlights

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Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:35 PM GMT

Group Four: (100metres)

Principle Environment

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Vehicle Heamlamp

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List of Flashlights

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Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:49 PM GMT

BeamShot Bright Level Comparison (2metres)

From Left to Right

Fenix TK12

Fenix LD40

Lumintop TD12

Lumintop TD-15

Lumintop TD-15X

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Written by ManChow on 01-04-2011 11:56 PM GMT

TD-15X(Left) vs TD-15(Right) - 2metres

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Fenix TK12 (Left) Vs Lumintop TD12 (Right) - 2Metres

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 12:08 AM GMT

Degree of illumination

TD-15X Two metres Hotspot

3940Lux (1x18650 - High Mode)

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4510lux (3x16340 High Mode)

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112.4Lux (2x18650 Low Mode)

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1538Lux (2x18650 Middle Mode)

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4570Lux (2x18650 High Mode)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 12:29 AM GMT

Flux Comparison - Ceiling Bounce Test

(Same Environment, Same location of the object - Flashlight count on glasses to the ceiling, the distance are identical, fixed light output and the Lux gauge location, says flashlight output 2metres to the ceiling, 1metres upper than the gauge and 1metres the distance)

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Written by 276 on 01-05-2011 12:36 AM GMT

Great photo's. i really like the looks of the TD-15X
Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 01:04 AM GMT

Thanks of Funder - A Famous Flashaholic located in Singapore, he teached me how to evaluate the approx. Lumens, under my figures to provided.

If Fenix is under the ANSI Standard to mark the flashlight Lumens, I think the below data also have some reference value.

Brand(Model) / Brand Claimed (lm) / Ceiling Bounce / Evaluate Value

1. Edi-T P4R R5-1A 1.3A 63000 / -- / 6lux / 84lm

2. Fenix TK12 R5 / 280lm / 18.4lux / 257.6lm

3. Lumintop TD-12 R5-1C 1A / 330lm / 17.9lux / 250.6lm

4. Lumintop TD-15 R5-1A 1.5A / 420lm / 24.2lux / 338.8lm

5. Lumintop TD-15X XM-L T6-1A 2.5A / 580lm / 48.2lux / 674.8lm

6. Fenix LD40 R5 / 248lm / 21.8lux / 305lm**

7. Tiablo A10 R5 / 320lm / 13.5lux / 189lm

8. Taclight T5 Q5-WC / -- / 14lux / 196lm

9. Olight M31 SST -50 / 800lm / 49lux / 686lm

10 Olight SR50 SST-50 / 800lm / 31lux / 434lm

**My Fenix LD40 is equipped with R5 Led instead of R4/248lm they claimed
Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 01:26 AM GMT

Beamshot Comparison

I've produced three group of test, 2,5,15metres respectively, each test also provided the degree of illumination.

List of Model to compare: (Same as the model of outdoor comparison)

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Group One - 2metres

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Degree of illumination - centre of the hotspot

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 01:41 AM GMT

Group Two - 5metres

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Degree of illumination - centre of the hotspot

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 01:58 AM GMT

Group 3: (15metres)

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Degree of illumination: (Centre of the Hotspot)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 03:01 AM GMT

Battery Side's Current Measurement (TD=15X)

When talking about what's a flashlight actual output current driven , we only can detach the LED +/- welding, and measure the exact output current from the circuit board directly. But the fact is, sometime this is hard to measure it, since many Brand's of flashlight was bonded the head to prevent DIY'er detach the flashlight and void the warranty.

As a result, usually we will measure the battery side's current driven (input), to evaluate the maximum output current driven, this will incurred many figures: the efficienty of circuit board, the VF value of LED, total input Voltage etc., an expert (not me) can be easily to determine...

1x18650 (4.2V) High mode

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2x18650 (4.2V x 2 = 8.4V) High mode

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3x16340 (4.2V x 3=12.6V) High mode

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 03:22 AM GMT

Runtime Testing (TD-15X)

Battery:1 x 18650 (Sanyo 2600mAh)

Starting Voltage: 4.2V

Ending Voltage: 3.1V

Starting Illuminance (1metre): 18780Lux

Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 9390Lux

Maximum Surface Temp.:39 Degree (Occured around the 25min of runtime period)

Runtime: 1 hour 41 min(Based on ANSI Standard,Runtime count from 100% to 50% Brightness level)

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Ending Illuminance (1metre)

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Maximum Surface Temp.

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Ending Voltage

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Chart of Illuminance/time

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 03:33 AM GMT

Runtime Testing II (TD-15X)

Battery:2 x 18650 (Alfa 2200mAh Protected)

Starting Voltage: @4.2V

Ending Voltage: Front 0.00V Rear 3.64V

Starting Illuminance (1metre): 24800Lux

Ending Illuminance (1metre) : Suddenly dropped and light off

Maximum Surface Temp.:57 Degree (Occured around 75min of the runtime period)

Runtime: 1 hour 28 min

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Ending Voltage: Front 0.00V Rear 3.64V

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Starting Illuminance (1metre): 24800Lux

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Ending Illuminance (1metre) : Suddenly dropped and light off

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Maximum Surface Temp.:57 Degree (Occured around 75min of the runtime period)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 03:43 AM GMT

Runtime Testing III (TD-15X)

Battery:2 x 18650 (UltraFire18650 2400mA)

Starting Voltage: @4.2V

Ending Voltage: Front 2.52V Rear 2.57V

Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28800Lux

Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 27000Lux (Light output becomes unstable)

Maximum Surface Temp.:53 Degree (Occured around 50min of the runtime period)

Runtime: 55 min

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Ending Voltage: Front 2.52V Rear 2.57V

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Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28800Lux

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Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 27000Lux (Light output becomes unstable)

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Maximum Surface Temp.:53 Degree (Occured around 50min of the runtime period)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 03:54 AM GMT

Runtime Testing IV (TD-15X)

Battery:2 x 18650 (ICR18650 2200mA)

Starting Voltage: @4.19V

Ending Voltage: Front 0.00V Rear 3.23V

Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28000Lux

Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 26500Lux (Suddenly dropped and light off

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Maximum Surface Temp.:57 Degree (Occured around 75min of the runtime period)

Runtime: 90 min

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Starting Voltage: @4.19V

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Ending Voltage: Front 0.00V Rear 3.23V

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Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28000Lux

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Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 26500Lux (Suddenly dropped and light off

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Maximum Surface Temp.:57 Degree (Occured around 75min of the runtime period)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 04:04 AM GMT

Runtime Testing V (TD-15X)

Battery:2 x 18650 (Feilong18650 2600mA)

Starting Voltage: @4.22V

Ending Voltage: Front 2.3V Rear 3.22V

Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28400Lux

Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 17100Lux (Suddenly dropped and light off finally

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Maximum Surface Temp.:57 Degree (Occured around 100min of the runtime period)

Runtime: 105 min

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Starting Voltage: @4.22V

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Ending Voltage: Front 2.3V Rear 3.22V

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Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28400Lux

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Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 17100Lux (Suddenly dropped and light off finally

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Maximum Surface Temp.:57 Degree (Occured around 100min of the runtime period)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 04:16 AM GMT

Runtime Testing VI (TD-15X)

Battery:4 x CR123 (Cytac 1500mAh)

Starting Voltage: @3V

Ending Voltage: Front to Rear 1.62V 2.08V 2.19V 2.43V

Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28000Lux

Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 26100Lux (Suddenly light off)

Maximum Surface Temp.:61 Degree (Occured around 60min of the runtime period)

Runtime: 60 min

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Ending Voltage: Front to Rear 1.62V 2.08V 2.19V 2.43V

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Starting Illuminance (1metre): 28000Lux

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Ending Illuminance (1metre) : 26100Lux (Suddenly light off afterward)

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Maximum Surface Temp.:61 Degree (Occured around 60min of the runtime period)

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 04:41 AM GMT

I also want to bring up another Flashaholic the comparison - dengtuzi, which is located in China, he'd gathered 3's of XM-L based Flashlight: Fenix TK35, Olight M3X and Lumintop TD-15X.

Group One - Ceiling Bounce Test

22W Philips Light Bulb - 44lux

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Fenix TK35, Claimed 820lm, 114lux

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Olight M3X, Claimed 700lm, 107Lux

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Lumintop TD-15X, Claimed 580lm, 101Lux

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Lumintop TD-15X, 2*16340, 101 lux

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Lumintop TD-15X, 1*18650, 80 lux

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Lumintop TD-15 R5, 1*18650, 47 lux

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Group Two:

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Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 04:48 AM GMT

Group Three:

Principle Environment

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Written by selfbuilt on 01-05-2011 09:15 AM GMT

Wow, that's a lot of photos ManChow. :eek:oo:

FYI, you might want to consider re-posting them in their own thread in the main LED forum. Members here are always looking for comparative pictures of various lights, and I'm afraid these will get lost in p.6 of my TD-15 review. It would be good to have them in their own thread somewhere.

Cheers! :wave:

Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 09:34 AM GMT

selfbuilt said:
Wow, that's a lot of photos ManChow. :eek:oo:

FYI, you might want to consider re-posting them in their own thread in the main LED forum. Members here are always looking for comparative pictures of various lights, and I'm afraid these will get lost in p.6 of my TD-15 review. It would be good to have them in their own thread somewhere.

Cheers! :wave:
Oops!! Sorry Sir, I am your fans anyway. Aim to reduce the resource of the Forum, I just only want to make use of your thread to introduce and compare this brother model to all Flashaholic's, pls forgive me if any in-convenience caused. Oops!! Sorry Sir, I am your fans anyway. Aim to reduce the resource of the Forum, I just only want to make use of your thread to introduce and compare this brother model to all Flashaholic's, pls forgive me if any in-convenience caused. :thanks:
Written by selfbuilt on 01-05-2011 10:09 AM GMT

No inconvenience - the photos are great. I just think they should be in their own thread for more visibility - especially for all the other lights included. No inconvenience - the photos are great. I just think they should be in their own thread for more visibility - especially for all the other lights included. :)
Written by brightnorm on 01-05-2011 01:31 PM GMT

Manchow,

I just ordered a 15X based on your comprehensive and revealing photos. I agree with Selbuilt's comments; your photos constitute a review and should have their own thread

Brightnorm
Written by ManChow on 01-05-2011 10:26 PM GMT

Hi Brightnorm,

Thanks of your comment, I will consider the necessity of to separate an individual review for TD-15X, my preliminary idea to combine the review that is because the information I posted also consist many figure's of TD-15.

Regards,

ManChow
Written by lautamas on 01-06-2011 12:40 AM GMT

I am surprised to see you here manchow.

I am a fans as well to your work in shoudian.com

Thank you for the great pictures. I think we need Thrunite XM-L (altough it belongs to a different class) to compare this into
Written by FLT MEDIC on 01-06-2011 04:26 AM GMT

ManChow said:
Hi Brightnorm,

Thanks of your comment, I will consider the necessity of to separate an individual review for TD-15X, my preliminary idea to combine the review that is because the information I posted also consist many figure's of TD-15.

Regards,

ManChow
Hi ManChow, Hi ManChow,

Many thanks for the comprehensive data and pics, much appreciated! I agree with Selfbuilt and Brightnorm, the TD-15X should have it's own review thread so it will be easy to search for in the future. Just copy and paste your posts into a new thread. :)
Written by selfbuilt on 01-06-2011 09:20 AM GMT

FYI for those interested, I will be testing the TD-15X as well. But it will likely be a couple of weeks before a review is up (I have a bunch of other reviews in the works first). :wave:
Written by Cuxhavener on 01-06-2011 04:54 PM GMT

ManChow said:
TD-15X fully support 1x18650, 2x18650, 2xCR123, 2x16340, 1x18650+1xCR123, 1x18650+1x16340, 3xCR123, 3x16340, 4xCR123...at your convenience.
Do you mix 18650 and 16340 in the TD-15X? Do you mix 18650 and 16340 in the TD-15X?
Written by surprise! on 01-07-2011 04:38 PM GMT

(moved tohttp://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/...19#post3647319)
Written by FireHawk007 on 01-07-2011 05:41 PM GMT

Can't wait for the testing, Selbuilt as I'm highly interested in TD-15.
Written by alk007 on 01-09-2011 08:28 AM GMT

I did some measures yesterday:

Lumintop TD15 (XP-G R5)lm/1m:

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Mode: . . AW 2900mAh . AW IMR 1600mAh . AW 750mAh . AW IMR 550mAh
Turbo . . . . 15 440 . . . . . . . 15 200 . . . . . . . . . 15 180 . . . . . 15 340
High . . . . . 13 250 . . . . . . . 13 300 . . . . . . . . . 13 440 . . . . . 13 450
Medium . . . . 6 260 . . . . . . . . 6 410 . . . . . . . . . 6 550 . . . . . . 6 560
Low . . . . . . . . 381 . . . . . . . . . 384 . . . . . . . . . . . 387 . . . . . . . 394
Written by dave29 on 01-09-2011 06:15 PM GMT

Awesome review!

I was getting ready to order an Olight M20s or Fenix TK15 when i found this review on google searching for some last minute info on which to decide on.

Now I don't know what I am going to get, but I am leaning toward this light. I really like how you can add to the body for more battery capacity, among other things. :)
Written by brightnorm on 01-17-2011 11:28 PM GMT

selfbuilt said:
FYI for those interested, I will be testing the TD-15X as well. But it will likely be a couple of weeks before a review is up (I have a bunch of other reviews in the works first). :wave:
Will you have the opportunity to test with 3xCR123? From the standpoint of carry this length is a nice compromise between 2xcr123 and 2x18650 and I suspect the runtime, especially on medium, might be pretty decent. Will you have the opportunity to test with 3xCR123? From the standpoint of carry this length is a nice compromise between 2xcr123 and 2x18650 and I suspect the runtime, especially on medium, might be pretty decent.

Brightnorm
Written by selfbuilt on 01-18-2011 08:01 AM GMT

brightnorm said:
Will you have the opportunity to test with 3xCR123? From the standpoint of carry this length is a nice compromise between 2xcr123 and 2x18650 and I suspect the runtime, especially on medium, might be pretty decent.
I will definitely test 3xCR123A/RCR, but don't usually do Med on CR123A (i.e. I tend to limit primary runtime tests, as the cells get expensive fast!). But I'll see what I can do in this case. I will definitely test 3xCR123A/RCR, but don't usually do Med on CR123A (i.e. I tend to limit primary runtime tests, as the cells get expensive fast!). But I'll see what I can do in this case.
Written by Mezza on 01-18-2011 12:30 PM GMT

I have finally narrowed it down to either the TD15 or the Fenix TK15, can anyone advise which will be superior? Will be used for hunting, and as an EDC.

I will use one 18650 battery either one. Thanks.
Written by brightnorm on 01-18-2011 02:00 PM GMT

I have both lights. The Fenix TK15 is not designed as a real thrower. I would class it as avery superior general use light with excellent throw and spread. It is very bright (total output). I'm not a hunter so I don't know what your requirements are. If you need throw, the Lumintop TD15 is among the best throwers in its size category. The TD15X is remarkably bright, so bright that even though its beam is more diffuse than the TD15 it throws remarkably well, though not quite as far as the TD15. The disadvantage of the 15X is that for regulated runtime you will have to use at least one extension which makes it about

7-1/8"(181mm) long, whereas the TD15 functions fully in its original 5-7/8" (149mm) configuration (1x18650/2xcr123).

Brightnorm
Written by brightnorm on 01-25-2011 12:41 AM GMT

Question:

Can the TD-15/15-X strike bezel be removed (by a non-technical person) and will the lens still be retained?

Brightnorm

Written by selfbuilt on 01-25-2011 07:13 AM GMT

brightnorm said:
Can the TD-15/15-X strike bezel be removed (by a non-technical person) and will the lens still be retained?
No, the bezel holds the glass lens in place. No, the bezel holds the glass lens in place.
 
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Written by jake25 on 01-25-2011 03:40 PM GMT

brightnorm said:
Question:

Can the TD-15/15-X strike bezel be removed (by a non-technical person) and will the lens still be retained?

Brightnorm
That is how the L series of the Lumintop lights are, but not the TD series. That is how the L series of the Lumintop lights are, but not the TD series.
Written by brightnorm on 01-25-2011 05:18 PM GMT

Thanks for those answers.

BN
Written by brightnorm on 01-26-2011 10:39 PM GMT

Just a note to say I have been EDC'ing the TD-15X in a 3xcr123 configuration for the past week in a Ripoffs belt holster. I believe it is an excellent compromise between the 1x18650 and 2x18650 versions both ergonomically and functionally. I find its broad but very powerful beam ideal for general use at all brightness settings. I wish it had four or even five brightness levels (like the Quarks). Perhaps that might be possible in future versions.

There are several belt-holster options for the 3xcr123 version. I don't care for the regular TD 15 holster though; the elastic is too loose-fitting for a secure grip so I wouldn't bother cutting the bottom to accomodate the 3xcr123 version. I've found that the ideal holster for the regular length TD-15 is the one that comes with the Fenix TK-15. A longer version of this would be perfect for the 3xcr123 TD-15X. Using the most compact holster, carrying the TD 15X 3xcr123 is surprisingly comfortable and convenient.

Here are three Ripoffs holsters that will fit the TD-15X/3xcr123. Clip-on and Belt loop versions are shown.

http://www.arcade-electronics.com/Se...poffs%20co-112 RIPOFFS CO/BL-112

http://www.arcade-electronics.com/Se...KeyWords=co-31 RIPOFFS CO/BL 31

http://www.arcade-electronics.com/Se...KeyWords=CO-94 RIPOFFS CO/BL 94 The velcro flap on the 94 is ok but a little short.

http://www.google.com/products/catal...ed=0CC0Q8wIwAw# SUREFIRE V11

I am using the V11 holster for the Surefire 9P which fits quite well and is the sleekest of the four, though it could be difficult to use with any but the trimmest lanyard. You can also cut the bottom out of a Surefire 6P holster, or, even better the Fenix TK-15 holster. As I mentioned, the best, most compact holster would be a lengthened version of that holster. Unfortunately it doesn't exist, but these are the next best .

I am looking forward to Selfbuilt's run time tests of this terrific light.

Brightnorm
 

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The main review post has been updated with the final review text.

The thread discussions have been partially restored from the search engine cache data (thank you tandem!). Basically, I was able to capture original p. 2, 3, 4, 6 and 7 from the cache. Pages 1 and 5 are all gone. If anyone has cache data from those pages, let me know and I will insert them.

Please carry on! :)
 
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Great review, I just got this light and it's throw is very good, using it's small R5 led.
The light is very compact and has a great UI.
LOve it!:)
 

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Does the TD15 support TWO extender tubes, for a total of 4 CR123 primaries?
Thank you.
According the voltage specs (i.e. 3V-14V), you should be able to run 4x 3V primary CR123A safely. However, 4xRCR would be out of the question (i.e. 4x 4.2V would likely blow the circuit).
 

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