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For those of you that do own an M6 though, which LA do you use, or do you switch them around?

I'm thinking about maybe getting another M6 to run one of each. Does this sound crazy
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I'll wait for the M9 to be released first though. Nine 123a's running @ 700 lumens for 20 minutes!!
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For those of you that are excited, please refer to the first two words of this post.
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I have 2 M6s running the 250lm lamp. Even with the 250lm it blasts away any other flashlight close to it's size. The MN21 is more of a floodlight. The MN20 has a tighter beam.

The M6 works with the KL2 also making a 19 LED M6!

I wish they made a lamp to use with the M3 head on the M6 running at 225lm for 40 minutes!
 
I also have two M6's. One runs the MN20 and the other runs the MN21.

I use the MN20 more often because I have it in my rucksack I carry to work.
I find the MN20 puts out more of a beam rather then an outrageously bright wall-of-light that issues from the MN21.

The MN21 M6 is what I'll grab if I wake due to a "bump in the night" or whatever. It's usually on my bedsidetable but both are currently on my desk.

Al
 
Hey Al,

What do you think of a LA that will work with the M3 head on the M6 body? More compact and putting out 225lm for 40 minutes? Or 125lm for 120 minutes?
 
Off-topic, but personally, I don't like any of the M3 Bezels on the M6 body. I'd much rather SureFire produced a 4-6" diameter SuperTurboHead.

Al
 
I have two M6s, both used as emergency lights, one in my car and the other in my RV which is heavily used by my parents. Both have the HOLA installed.

Both are intended for specific purposes where the short burn time is not problematic: signaling at long distances (SOS) and scanning treelines and such at a distance.

Each vehicle has an SC2 battery carrier with the LOLA and six spare batteries. There is also a Z3/KL3 which is intended as the primary light for any emergency in or at the vehicle. The M6 is in the trunk and Z3/KL3 in the center console or glove compartment.

Of course, I never leave the house without an ARC LS in my pocket.

The idea is that the Z3/KL3 (or my ARC LS) will deal with almost any flat tire or other problem and hold out until morning if needs be. But it does not have throw. The M6 provides throw but isn't useful as a general-purpose emergency due to the lack of burn time.

I'll probably replace the Z3/KL3 lights with small 5W lithium lights this year, even if it means having to carry more $$$ lithium batteries – the 5W really is a lot brighter. But the M6 will probably retain the role as the brightest, longest-throw lithium light.

The RV typically carries several other lights and I have TigerLights at home and at the cottage – there isn't usually much need to use the M6 with its expensive and short burn. But in the emergency role I have for it – a really bright emergency light that is sure to work five years from now when I need it – I don't know of anything better.

As for an M9: The Surefire catalog shows the B1 will have 2000 lumen and a burn time of 80 minutes, and will use (20) twenty batteries. The price is not given...
 
M9?
2000 lumens?
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I need more info on that, anybody have more info, pics? plz PK, do you have any comments on this? is it an HID light or an xenon?
Or is this one of those products that was mentioned at the SHOT show but never went into production?
 
Originally posted by Daniel Ramsey:
M9?
2000 lumens?
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">B1 not M9. It's in the printed Surefire catalog.

The lamp is listed as the "HID01". It is 13.8" long, weighs 3.5lbs and has a 4" bezel. And it uses 20 batteries every 80 minutes.

A B2 is listed that uses an NiMH battery pack. Same lamp and brightness, but 16.8" long, 5.7 lbs, and only 60 minutes burn time.

I expect a staggering purchase price to go with the staggering operating costs. Keep in mind that brightguy will sell you an X990 for $470, with two battery packs (albeit the X990 is much larger).
 
20 batteries? This is going to set a whole new world record for burning through batteries...

20 x $1 each = $20 per 80 mins = $0.25 per minute.... OMG!
 
That`s the Beast / Hellfire - an impressive but desperately impractical experiment that they exhibited at the Shot Show earlier this year, and foolishly put it in their 2002 "vaporware" catalog, along with a lot of other things that will never be made.

Apparently the Beast project has been moving along and getting a little nearer to practicality though, because the discharge lamp technology it builds around has been moving along too. Personally I think if it does get released, the only way to go power-wise is rechargeable batteries. Why on earth would anyone make a great big light that runs on mountains of tiny little camera batteries? Heck, it`d take 10 minutes to re-load it every time!

Might as well make a light that runs on lots of big magnesium flashbulbs or something....

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Originally posted by Chris M.:
Why on earth would anyone make a great big light that runs on mountains of tiny little camera batteries? Heck, it`d take 10 minutes to re-load it every time!

Might as well make a light that runs on lots of big magnesium flashbulbs or something....

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My thoughts exactly...
Li-Ion to the rescue?

Happy New Year!
 
Originally posted by Chris M.:
Why on earth would anyone make a great big light that runs on mountains of tiny little camera batteries?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The only market I can think of is military. The lithium batteries can sit in storage for many years and then operate in any environment, arctic cold to desert heat.

I think Li-ion self-discharges and is not as desirable for long-term shelf-storage.

But I do agree: this thing would have to be aimed at the search & rescue market to get any sales at all, and those people aren't going to pay huge operating costs. The catalog does list a rechargeable B2, but I still wonder about purchase cost, run time and weight: will search & rescue guys carry a 5+ lb flashlight that needs a fresh battery pack every hour? The UK LC100 supposedly goes 3-4 hours on C cells which sounds a lot more attractive to me.
 
It takes about a minute to replace 20 SF123As in a Beast body.

I may have to work for a day to afford to replace the batteries but that's because I don't earn enough.

Al
 
I planned on getting a beast if/when they came out, but after thinking it through the beast would be way too expensive to run in my opinion. Now if they just cut it down to nine batteries to nine and ran about 700 lumens it would be great.
Jeff
 
I just got an M6, and I use the Mn20 all the time.
for my use it is the best, and it still stomps any light that you can get in that size! It is even brighter than some car headlamps!
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