Mag85 with NTC question.

FILIPPO

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Hi,

with the search down i wasn't able to find two important threads about NTCs that would answer me....

so, my question is: how long does a NTC take to get warm and reduce its resistence in a mag85? and which is its final resistance?

thanks in advance!:wave:
 
It does not take long at all,ant its final resistance is dependent on the NTC model you get.
 
ok...so there is a problem in my new mag85! :scowl:...:shakehead

side by side my old one is a LOT brighter than my new!

I have the following set ups:

MAG 3D
FM 9AA to 3D
9 elite 1700
KIU socket
spring resistance fix

MAG 1,5D
LuxLuthor's 9 X 2/3A Elite 1500 battery pack
FM bi-pin to PR base adapter.
spring resistance fix
2/3 switch resistance fix with NTC.


maybe I' ve got the wrong NTC that doesn't drop his resistance enough under 3,5amps of WA1185...will hepl if I tell you the number on my NTC?
 
You should be using the Ametherm SL12 1R010. This is the standard for our application. I looked a long time for something close and could not find it. I had to wait for some to get in stock.

Bob E.
 
Filippo, be careful with the NTC's. They have their place, but it is important to understand how they work. From this PDF datasheet on that model that SafetyBob mentions, you can see it looks great with a nice low 27mΩ when fully heated. However, to go from the starting resistance of 1,000 mΩ (=1 Ω) @ 25 °C (77 °F), you need to pump 10A through the NTC, raising its temp to 182 °C (360 °F), before its resistance drops to 27mΩ...which is hot enough to roast a turkey. :p

If you only pump 5A (50% of NTC Max Rating) through the NTC, then its resistance will drop to 60 mΩ. Since the 1185 only uses 3.5A, the resistance will be much higher the closer you get to its resting 1,000 mΩ.

Also, keep in mind that the resistance of the NTC is affected by ambient heat. If you measure the resistance of the device all by itself, it changes in direct relationship to its physically influenced temperature. I think (from memory) that resting resistance went up to 6 Ω when I put it in the freezer.

So using an NTC hotwire in the winter will be affected by the cold, and all these resistance readings affect the current/voltage delivered to the bulb. This all underscores how handy AWR's regulated, soft-starting Hotdriver was to have....and how much of a difference AW's upcoming regulated "pre-set" voltage driver will be. It was mostly used with the 5761 bulb, which falls into the 5A category. Some of us have also found that at its 50% rating it did not seem to be dropping down to 60 mΩ as we planned. There is a variation in quality control that can be quite striking from predicted values on a random basis.
 
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ok problem solved! ( I removed NTC :nana:)

now I'll have to wait for new 1185 as soon as I instaflashed the last one...:ohgeez:
now I'm running a WA1306 :thumbsdow

thanks for your explanation!:thumbsup:
 
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