MagLite upgraded to a Rebel!! (pics in post 34)

[LukeA]

Very true. They cost even more outside the US, depending on the retailer.

I personally don't have a problem buying MagLEDs, but I won't pay full price for them.


Very good point about the gummy dome in candle mode.

Rebels have soft domes too.

 

[tebore]

Rebels have soft domes too.

But the rebels are small enough have to an extra lens on them like they seem to have in the pictures.

 

[Marduke]

But the rebels are small enough have to an extra lens on them like they seem to have in the pictures.

Extra lens? Never seen that on a Rebel.

 

[tebore]

Extra lens? Never seen that on a Rebel.

Not as part of the rebel. But the Pictures seem to show that the rebels are mounted recessed in to the LED module and has a lens/covering on top to complete the module.

 

[likeguymontag]

Not as part of the rebel. But the Pictures seem to show that the rebels are mounted recessed in to the LED module and has a lens/covering on top to complete the module.

I saw one in person last night. There is definitely no lens or cover besides the regular rebel dome. You must be seeing an illusion caused by the reflector or packaging.

 

[Marduke]

Not as part of the rebel. But the Pictures seem to show that the rebels are mounted recessed in to the LED module and has a lens/covering on top to complete the module.

The pictures I took? There is no secondary lens/cover.

 

[tebore]

The pictures I took? There is no secondary lens/cover.

Well then..

Time for a new camera?

 

[Nitroz]

Maybe LumiLEDs is finally stopping/cutting production on Lux I/IIIs and thus have forced Mag and others to start using rebels and K2.

Nitroz your information is slightly off. The Rebel and K2 put out the same amount of heat if you drive them at the same level. Assuming the same bins and yes they do use the same binning structure. The Really old K2s are about the same efficiency as the best Lux 3 but with better heat handling and thus ability to be driven at 1.5Amps.

Thanks for the slight correction. 🙂

Rebel 060s are along the lines of top bin Lux 3 in effiency and aren't using the TFFC technology that the latest gen is using to get nearly 2x the efficiency.

Ok so whose's going to be the first to buy and dissect one of these babies.

It's still like Mag took a step sideways instead of up.😕 But I imagine that Philips gave them a good deal on the rebel 060.

If Mag had of used the Rebel 100 that would have been a nice improvement. Owell

 

[spencer]

They would have been so much better off using a Rebel 100 and dropping the drive current. It would have better battery life because it's using less power and it would produce less heat at the same brightness because it's more efficient.

 

[ZMZ67]

Maybe LumiLEDs is finally stopping/cutting production on Lux I/IIIs and thus have forced Mag and others to start using rebels and K2.

Nitroz your information is slightly off. The Rebel and K2 put out the same amount of heat if you drive them at the same level. Assuming the same bins and yes they do use the same binning structure. The Really old K2s are about the same efficiency as the best Lux 3 but with better heat handling and thus ability to be driven at 1.5Amps.

The Rebel 100 and K2 200 are both TFFC based and will deliver ~100lm at 350mA. Thus similar efficiency just different packaging. The natural move would have been to use the K2. However I suspectthat the larger package of the K2 probably had something to do with the choice for a rebel.

Rebel 060s are along the lines of top bin Lux 3 in effiency and aren't using the TFFC technology that the latest gen is using to get nearly 2x the efficiency.

Ok so whose's going to be the first to buy and dissect one of these babies.

I still would like to see the use of the TFFC K2 in a Magled but it seems that Mag went the cost effective route with the Rebels.Maybe the use of TFFC K2 would have pushed up the cost to the point I would lose interest in favor of better lights/options anyway.:shrug:

 

[defloyd77]

Rebels have soft domes too.

You know, I completely forgot about that, but aren't they somewhat better than the Seoul dome? All the more reason just to put the dang TFFC K2 in it!

 

[asdalton]

I picked up one of the new 2D MagLEDs at Wal-Mart today, and I have some good news.

- It's about 2x as bright as my Luxeon 2D MagLED. :rock:
- After running for 10 minutes, it's still equal or slightly brighter than my fresh Luxeon 3D MagLED.
- The collar near the switch area gets slightly warm for the new version, while it does not get warm at all for the old version.

So it looks like we have improved performance, and possibly some real heatsinking.

 

[greenLED]

Re: MagLite upgraded to a Rebel!!

.....because as far as I can tell the Rebel LED module is not removeable :thumbsdow. There is no screw-on collar like the old ones had. In fact, I even went at it with a pair of pliers to see if I could pull it out, but had no luck.

...

I'm willing to bet this new module and its inability to be removed and swapped are a cost savings from Mag instead of any real upgrade.

Actually, I think it might point to a redesign to imporve heatsinking. If that's the case, I'd be really happy that they chose to do so. Hopefully they'll continue to update their LED line.

 

[Nitroz]

I picked up one of the new 2D MagLEDs at Wal-Mart today, and I have some good news.

- It's about 2x as bright as my Luxeon 2D MagLED. :rock:
- After running for 10 minutes, it's still equal or slightly brighter than my fresh Luxeon 3D MagLED.
- The collar near the switch area gets slightly warm for the new version, while it does not get warm at all for the old version.

So it looks like we have improved performance, and possibly some real heatsinking.

Excellent news indeed!

Any idea of the current that is going to the LED?

 

[jasonck08]

Mag must not pay their R&D team very much... I don't understand why they always seem so slow to adopt the latest and greatest. I mean in the quantities that they do, a Soul P4-U bin wouldn't cost that much more. And they could drive it even at 500ma and it would only use 1.5W's and still be brighter then the LED's they are using...

 

[LG&M]

75 posts about a light nobody wants. I love this place.

 

[darknessemitter]

Rebel 060s are along the lines of top bin Lux 3 in effiency and aren't using the TFFC technology that the latest gen is using to get nearly 2x the efficiency.

Is it true that only the Rebel 80 and higher are TFFC? And therefore presence of the grid/waffle pattern should tell you whether it's above or below the 80 bin?

Sorry, I tried searching for this before, but couldn't find a consistant answer.

 

[tebore]

Is it true that only the Rebel 80 and higher are TFFC? And therefore presence of the grid/waffle pattern should tell you whether it's above or below the 80 bin?

Sorry, I tried searching for this before, but couldn't find a consistant answer.

For sure it's only the dies with the waffle pattern that are TFFC. I haven't seen any from Philips that are lower than 080bin that have it so I can only conclude that only the 080 bin and higher are TFFC.

 

[darknessemitter]

For sure it's only the dies with the waffle pattern that are TFFC. I haven't seen any from Philips that are lower than 080bin that have it so I can only conclude that only the 080 bin and higher are TFFC.

Interesting... My Riverrock Nightfire 2xAA has a really obvious waffle pattern, but it's only supposed to be a Rebel 50. Maybe they wanted to play it safe when listing the specs, knowing that there wouldn't be many higher binned Rebels available?

 

[Monocrom]

Wow! Maglite already updated their LED lights?? 😱oo:

I wasn't expecting that for at least 15 years.... No, seriously; I actually bought a couple of extra MagLED drop-ins nearly a year ago for future use. Had no idea that Maglite would upgrade them so quickly. (For Maglite, a Rebel 60 emitter counts as an upgrade).