How did the Maglite trade in program work?I lost several 3 cell Mags Lites from leaking D cells with the old bulbs. The last one I got is a LED. I have a ML150 inbound from them as they now have a trade in for the older lights. I found a new Mag Lite Rechargeable laying in road about 99 and bought a charger for it. It was good but the LEDs came out and I just sent it to Maglite on a tradein/upgrade program they have.
I think I found a way to protect them from the old batteries. I rolled three batteries in Saran wrap and slid them in together and they have not had any problem.
About 8 years ago my best buddy gave me a Streamlight and it was great but I apparently left it when we were on vacation in Myrtle Beach and missed it when I got home and unpacked and it was not in car. I called the place we were staying and apparently the clean up people figured they had a good find and kept it. I replaced it with a Streamlight Stinger DS which I really like. It now has my name engraved on it. It also has a serial number on it.
I am a volunteer fire fighter and I like the Mag lite for working traffic at scenes at night as I have the outside covered with 3M red and white reflective tape like you see on tractor trailers to get approaching drivers attention at night.
Speaking about red and white reflective tape, the 3M is the best. I just made a mistake of ordering a long roll of tape on ebay that was not 3M and looking at them at night the 3M is much more visible than the off brand I got as the 3M is about 4 times more than the off brand but much better and lasts for years.
If Mag-Lite was a leap forward, what was Laser Products Surefire? I feel as if the 9P was what the MiniMag-lite should have been.
I don't know about that. Anyone that has read a gun magazine or spent anytime around firearms knows Surefire. I first encountered one in 2003 and had heard of them from ads long before that. That said you don't really care about them because they cost more than a Mag and it isn't until you use one that it made sense.
Well put sir!!!I think Mag's relationship to history sometimes gets a little lost without context. Trying not to rehash previous posts but my thoughts:
When they first came out as police flashlights... They were an improvement in a crowded field. Their engineering/manufacturing quality was ahead of other brands. The design was fresh, rather than updating old ideas to fit a new metal pipe, and the machining was camera-store-quality instead of auto-parts-store. That's half the reason the police flashlight market collapsed by 1985 (the other half being Streamlight rechargeables.) Really, you lay out the guts of a disassembled Mag-Lite and it doesn't look anything like its early contemporaries.
After a few years of growing... Mag's bigger innovations were mass market sales, and expanding their product line downwards into a pocket size flashlights. More convenient and less expensive for the average Joe. At the time, unless you knew how to fly a Space Shuttle, the odds of having a high-tech penlight were slim to none. If there was a gap between Mag and previous police flashlight quality, there was a canyon between them and Eveready, Radio Shack, etc. This is where the company really took off and turned into what we know them as. My dad had a Mini-Mag in the 1980s I wasn't allowed to touch as a kid, while I had stuff like army crookneck flashlights with switches that'd never quite work right.
But then... They stagnated. I don't entirely blame them for this, since they were massively successful and the consumer market wasn't really moving. But they weren't ready for the 2000s and LEDs. Mag-Lite's catalog grew smaller from 1988-2006 instead of larger. They gave up on the police market other than the Magcharger they were still selling 25 years later, they never got into the tactical market, and their pocket lights were getting lapped by cheap LEDs. Mag's eventual re-entry in all those fields was rocky and took a long time to get competitive. People who joined CPF in the mid '00s will remember the nonstop Mag hate for being an outdated premium brand. Also for being extra litigious (which is a trademark holder's lot in life unfortunately.) In the flashlight nerd community it's taken a long time to recover from that period. Outside of CPF I think they just became "your dad's flashlight."
Today? Their new stuff has modern technology at least. I think they've carved out their space as "the modern traditional flashlight" for the time being, but I doubt they'll become a dominant player the way they used to. Streamlight has a stranglehold on police, everyone makes something more interesting than Mag's tactical lights, so they're left with the homeowner market again. Part of it was falling behind the curve, but the other part is now EVERYONE is selling some form of really cheap super-bright flashlight in every configuration you can imagine. Like, if someone whipped out a Surefire in 2005 they were the center of attention in a room full of people who'd never seen an LED flashlight that bright. Now, even if the quality isn't there, everyone has some 500 lumen thing they got off Amazon or Home Depot for $14.
Personally, I never was the biggest Mag fan despite my appreciation for their design. I did have a Mini-Mag I used a lot but that was about it. If they'd ditched the cam focus and gotten into LEDs earlier I'd be onboard today. I even wanted to like the ML25T but it really doesn't push my buttons.
Surefire was yet another leap forward out of many leaps starting 100 years before. And it was a shorter leap than you might think. So the Mini-Mag came out in 1984. Within five years you could buy a Laser Products "Sure-Fire 6", which was extremely Mini-Mag-like. Notice how Surefire coming on the scene (not even the first CR123 light, just the first good one) only a few years later didn't exactly put Mag out of business. The design was too niche and too expensive, and Surefire's market focus was narrow.
Even by the late '90s when lithium batteries were more common and Surefire was popular in tactical/police use they still weren't a consumer flashlight. Try telling someone in 1998 to buy a $95 flashlight that uses $7 camera batteries.
People I know who know about Surefire: Gun & gadget guys. People who know about Mag-Lite: Everyone else. Surefire has the same problem the police flashlight companies that came before Mag-Lite did. They were expensive products with a specific audience. In 1975 if you wanted a "nice" flashlight you had to buy it out of a catalog with a gun, a cop, or a cowboy on the cover--maybe all three. And it cost $18 instead of $2.50. Surefire never really made the transition to widespread appeal, although I feel like inexpensive G2s were starting to make inroads in sporting goods stores in the 2000s.
I run all of my AA/AAA Mags on eneloops or energize ultimate lithiums and all of my C/D cell Mags on protected Li-ions - leaky alkaline problem solved.Maglites are ok, the worst thing about them is they run on alkaleaks, i too had several lights ruined by leaks, some i fixed, some i could not. I too tought wrapping cells in wax paper would solve an issue, while it would somewhat protect from electrolyte sticking to tube walls, when batteries left to leak long enough they swell, and removing them isn't any easier with a wax paper around them,
I have no issue carrying the longer Maglite torches, you keep them in the door pocket of the vehicle and put it on your duty belt when exiting the vehicle, placement of the loop hanger is paramount because it will swing...A light is useless if it isn't with you when you need it and I can most easily carry Streamlight. Just try to find a belt pouch for Surefire 9P, most are very unsatisfactory. Smaller Maglites are carryable but the long C/D models are impractical. I feel sorry for LEOs that had to carry them after taking one hiking using the belt ring.
I built it back in 2009/2010 when Mag Mod parts were in ample supply here on CPF, online (places like Kai Domain etc.) and Maglite hosts where on sale for $20 in local Australian Supermarkets.And who modded this 3D setup? Icarus or someone else?
@letschat7 First, let me congratulate you on soon owning so many fine made in USA Maglites. That is helping to make America great again. We all need to support our nation by giving our own citizens our business, instead of financing our enemies around the world.Since I commented first in this thread I only had a few Maglites but had owned many over the decades. Now I have 18 of them with another ten on the way direct from Mag.
In getting a significant amount of flashlights and trying them out side by side I'd like to think I'm a Mag user or even a Led Lenser user because I like them the most but it really turns out I use Streamlight the most and I have a lot of objections with how they run their company. Only they have a very broad range of designs, they have been making them for decades, collectors haven't ruined the prices on new stuff, and most importantly they have a lot of holster options.
A light is useless if it isn't with you when you need it and I can most easily carry Streamlight. Just try to find a belt pouch for Surefire 9P, most are very unsatisfactory. Smaller Maglites are carryable but the long C/D models are impractical. I feel sorry for LEOs that had to carry them after taking one hiking using the belt ring.
Maglite has new designs which I plan to try out but really they just seem like around the house or in the vehicle lights. Lenser seems to be beating them there with more practical designs and more rechargable lights, nevermind that they are significantly brighter too. Mag needs something to take on the X21R.