Malkoff XP-G 260 OTF lumens 2~3D Mag drop-ins...

[R A Miller]

The 2-3C XP-G modules are in stock!

Grabbed one instantly. The 3D size is bigger than I want sitting on my nightstand, but I need a serious RHD (raccoon harassment device). My first Malkoff. I doubt it will be my last.

Thanks for the heads up! I ordered a 2-3C XP-G module and it shipped today. It's my first Malkoff also.

Rick

 

[Rowrbazzle]

VERY late mail delivery today - I thought I was going to have to wait until tomorrow....

Uh, wow. Really wow. This is my first Malkoff, so I can't speak to how much of an improvement this is over the P4 version. However, compared to the 3-cell MagLED "bulb" this replaced, the difference is simply amazing. +1 to the posts from ionizedsky and CaseyS. For anyone sitting on the fence, wondering whether to pull the trigger, I suggest you run, not walk, to your nearest credit card...

Thank you, Gene, I'm really impressed.

 

[Swedpat]

Today I received my two XP-G dropins. One to a Mag C customized for 1xCR123 cell and the other for a 1D used with 3AA to 1D converter.

Here is my impression:

In both cases these dropins are significantly brighter than with same voltage with P4 placed in 2D and 3D Mags. With 1xCR123 I measured a total output of ca 60% higher than a P4 used in an ordinary 2D. With 3xAA cells in the 1D the total output is ca 40% higher than P4 used in an ordinary 3D.

Even if my customized Mags have an Ultra clear glass with antireflectic coating (which contributes to some percents improvement) it's no doubt that these new dropins are significantly brighter than the former P4.

The hotspot of XP-G is possible to get very small and intense and I understand that the throwing is much better than P4.
When I compare the tint I experience XP-G to be a bit cooler than P4, though not that cool as Malkoff P7. As well as with P4 I can when comparing to P7 notice a very slight green tint of XP-G. No disadvantage in my opinion, more pleasant than blue.

I really think the stated 260 OTF lumens is correct with 3x1,5V (total output is higher than Fenix TK10), and with 3V around 200 OTF lumens (brighter than PD20)

My mark will be the same as with every Malkoff product I have: :twothumbs

Regards, Patric

 

[Bullman]

I have been using the Mag now the last couple of nights at work now and I am very pleased. It has just as good throw and lighting power as my Ultrastinger, and I could get used to the whiter light, it grows on you. What I really like is it lasts so much longer than the Ultrastinger, and it is regulated, you can tell when the US is starting to die.

 

[Saint_Dogbert]

The hotspot of XP-G is possible to get very small and intense and I understand that the throwing is much better than P4.

That is very cool, especially as it seems every other light with this LED is less throwy than other options. Malkoff's website says that it throws 1000+ feet, vs. 600+ for the old P4. Have you had any opportunity to verify this?

 

[Swedpat]

That is very cool, especially as it seems every other light with this LED is less throwy than other options. Malkoff's website says that it throws 1000+ feet, vs. 600+ for the old P4. Have you had any opportunity to verify this?

Hi,

I have not made any careful comparison about this. But if you combines that much higher total output with a narrower hotspot I think this difference is a fair statement.
I tried to compare my customed Mag C with XP-G driven by one CR123 to Itp C6 (around 12000lux at 1 meter) by holding the lights at the same distance from the lightmeter. Then the total lux value for the Mag/Xp-G is around 60% higher than Itp-C6. This isn't the most exactly way to measure but a possible value of Malkoff XP-G with one CR123 cell is around 19000lux at 1meter. This could mean that using 3xAA cells it will outperform Tiablo A9 with smooth reflector.

Regards, Patric

 

[ionizedsky]

I have not done an actual measurement of how far I have used this light to reach out and touch something, but I guesstimate:thinking: that I have easily reached out to 1000+ feet.

That is very cool, especially as it seems every other light with this LED is less throwy than other options. Malkoff's website says that it throws 1000+ feet, vs. 600+ for the old P4. Have you had any opportunity to verify this?

 

[Saint_Dogbert]

Thanks for the info, guys. Sounds like a pretty impressive upgrade even from the P4 version. I'd just be running it in a 2D maglite, but it'd still be a nice way to get my first thrower.

 

[JohnF]

Had my Malkoff XPG dropin for a week now (3D maglite.) It is so beautifully designed and constructed that it is a shame it has to be hidden away inside the light. It is bright and tight, 1000 feet is no problem. At 1000 ft., I estimate the hotspot is around 60 feet in diameter (just guessing, but close.) Compared to the Diamond and Terralux dropins I've used in this 3D in the past, well, there is not much comparison. I'm using the pre-cut reflector from Malkoff.

Now I want to buy another old Maglite for a floody dropin replacement - any recommendations?

John F

 

[Mjolnir]

I would be interested to see some comparisons with "dedicated" LED throwers, like the Tiablo A9 or DBS, as well as with the original P4 dropin.

 

[Bullzeyebill]

Noticed that all of the XP-G, and Seoul P4 mag drop-ins are sold out. I wonder if the 4-6 cell mag drop-ins will have the XP-G? Be the perfect opportunity to drop off the P4's. Just thinking out loud.

Bill

 

[Bronco]

OK...I'm impressed!

:twothumbs Gene! This is a huge improvement over the P4 drop-in, and right up there with the Diamond Dragon drop-in (and a better thrower than the DD).

Stock head with VLOP aluminum reflector..excellent.

3" FM head with VLOP reflector..better.

2.5" Throwmaster with smooth reflector..still better.

MG aspheric..fantastic! Even though I haven't gotten it to focus the image of the die, the tightest setting is a 8" blue-white spot at 15', and is incredibly brilliant. I think this is the new king of the aspheric, knocking off the XR-E R2.

I can't wait to see the multi-LED builds that come out of this emitter.

Donn, were any modifications required to make the 2.5" Throwmaster work with this drop-in?

 

[Swedpat]

Malkoff XP-G-Maglite C CR123 compared to Tiablo A9 Beamshots

This evening I went out with three of my flashlights for making some beamshots:

1: Tiablo A9, which I nowadays only use with the aspheric lens, but for this comparison changed back to the smooth reflector

2: My Maglite C, customed by William Quiles to be used with one CR123 cell

3: Fenix TK10, for a non-thrower reference

I apologize for maybe not the most professional pictures, but hope my attempt will be of some value.

First some facts:

*the total OTP output in lumens is very similar with all these three lights (around 200lm). Using XP-G with 3xAA/C/D cells the output will be higher than this 1xCR123 model.

*Tiablo A9 is measured to 19510 lux with 2xCR123 and smooth reflector.

*Fenix TK10 is measured to 6750lux with 2xCR123.

These values according to Flashlight reviews.

First a picture of the lights. Compared to the newer modern LED-lights Maglite C 1xCR123 is quite large sized to be a 1xCR123 light... To the advantage of a better holding comfortability!


And then three comparing beamshots:

Tiablo A9:


Maglite/Malkoff XP-G CR123:


Fenix TK10:


Hotspots of the three lights on my ceiling,
Maglite/Malkoff XP-G CR123 is the upper hotspot:


And finally a beamshot comparison with longer time at the camera setting than the picture above: Tiablo A9 to left and Maglite/Malkoff XP-G CR123 to right:


As you can see of the pictures as well Tiablo A9 and Fenix TK10 has much brighter spill than the Malkoff XP-G-Maglite constellation. This is because of the much narrower total beam size making the light amount to be more compressed. But I never experience the spill of the Malkoff XP-G to be dim at all. The wider beam has it's advantages at shorter distances, for example when you want to shine up a room.

All the belonging comparisons are made with same settings of the camera.

Regards, Patric

 

[Bullzeyebill]

Swedpat, do you have a nice strong unprotected RCR123, like a Powerizer? If so, it would be interesting to see the results using it with your Malkoff
XP-G.

Bill

 

[Swedpat]

Swedpat, do you have a nice strong unprotected RCR123, like a Powerizer? If so, it would be interesting to see the results using it with your Malkoff
XP-G.

Bill

Hi Bill,

No I have only CR123 batteries.

 

[elumen8]

Swedpat, thanks for the great photo comparisons. The Malkoff seems to have a reasonably nice warm tone about it...at least to my eyes. I'm trying to get my hands on one ASAP. By the way, that's a BEAUTIFUL Mag C. :thumbsup:

JB

 

[Swedpat]

Swedpat, thanks for the great photo comparisons. The Malkoff seems to have a reasonably nice warm tone about it...at least to my eyes. I'm trying to get my hands on one ASAP. By the way, that's a BEAUTIFUL Mag C. :thumbsup:

JB

Thank you JB,

Yes, Malkoff has a warmer tint than as well A9 and TK10. But it's still slightly cooler than Malkoff P4 tint. Both these Malkoffs I experience have a slight greenish. Something I prefer rather than blue tint.
About the customed MagC it's indeed very nice, and the most good looking of all my lights. Also very comfortable to hold.

Regards, Patric

 

[Mjolnir]

I just got mine today; I did a ceiling bounce "test" and the output seemed slightly higher than my Eagletac T10L, so the 260 lumen claim seems very accurate.
The XP-G's are very small, especially compared with the SSC P4 in the previous series dropin.

 

[Rowrbazzle]

Re: Malkoff XP-G-Maglite C CR123 compared to Tiablo A9 Beamshots

But I never experience the spill of the Malkoff XP-G to be dim at all.

Swedpat - Thanks for the photos. Nicely done. Agree with you that XP-G spill is not dim - even though it looks that way in the photo above. The spill is certainly usable. (You just have to ignore the hotspot is all.)
Yours may be a bit more green than mine. I never notice the green in actual use though. (I'm just glad its not blue.)

 

[Mjolnir]

My hotspot seems to have a slight "doughnut hole" area with the stock mag reflector. It is definitely slightly dimmer in the center of the hotspot.