Mini-Review 3W Cree Projection Flashlight

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This is a report of DX's 3W Cree Projection light SKU 4081), this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4081 According to DX it has a Cree XR-E P4 LED emitter, a glass lens and a smooth (deep) plastic reflector. It has a two mode tail-cap clickie (low and high, no momentary) and takes either 2xCR123A or 1x18650 to power it. It has a 3.6V-9.0V input, giving liberal options to power it. DX claims 100 Lux @1M. The battery tube is roomy, protected batteries fit easy.

This review will be a little different because: I'm a noob, and no expert on flashlights; this is my first report/review, and my reason for buying the light was different from most. Please be gentle, I have little knowledge and brief experience with flashlights.

I was looking for a powerful thrower, actually not for how far it would throw, but for its power. I wanted a light I could use along with my handgun in the event of an intruder in our home. I wanted one for the light to help me find the intruder, and hopefully one which would partially blind the intruder, giving me an edge to deal with the threat if neccesary.

I had an Ultrafire C2 3W (DX SKU 1446), which is a great little light, but not as powerful as I wanted for this purpose. I wanted more power, and I got it. I had my wife use it on me, and in our darkened house it immediately completely blinded me, and made it impossible to see the person behind the light. All I could see was searing white spots in my eyes, and it was impossible not to turn away.

The first click is "high", so you don't have to deal with stepping through modes. Click the tail clickie once and you're there. And it's the perfect size and weight for this use. With the strike bezel, along with its heft and large head, real damage could be done to an intruder's face if it had to be used like a kubaton, instead of resorting to lethal force.

It's a very well made light for this price range ($27.95). With batteries loaded it feels very substantial in your hand. The fit and finish is good, although not a Type IIII finish. I found the wall thickness, machining and threads to be quite good, and the battery tube gives plenty of room for protected RCR123A's and 18650's. I've seen smoother tail clickies, but this one works well enough and is recessed to allow a good tail stand. The low mode should be much dimmer, it's fairly useless as there's little difference between low and high. Experts probably wouldn't be happy with the beam as my emitter wasn't perfectly centered, but I find it fine for my use. It's a good size light (6.57 in x 2.17 in x 2.17 in and 6.84 oz) with a large head, certainly not for EDC, but a nice handful if you have to use it for a last resort defense. It would certainly increase the effectiveness of a backhanded punch.

The tail cap has a steel rod plunger with the spring enclosed inside a compartment instead of just an exposed spring. The tail has double o-rings. Although the head is large, the light is amazingly well balanced at almost the exact centerpoint, making it very comfortable to use. On my outside throw tests it really impressed me - this is an amazingly bright light for an LED. Using 2xRCR123A's I could light up trees a block away, and the spill was just about perfect for closer work. The spot is so bright you find yourself using the spill for anything close, and ignoring the low mode.

Totally by accident I gave it a drop test the first day. It was knocked off a high table onto a hardwood floor, bouncing and smacking so hard you could hear it all over the house. It came up with no damage and working perfectly.

Overall I am very pleased with this light. It's a very good value for the low purchase price. It's the brightest LED I've seen, bright enough to make one think it's an incandecent. I'm sorry for the lack of beamshots or technical information - I simply don't have the knowledge or experience to evaluate or supply such info.
 
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This is a report of DX's 3W Cree Projection light SKU 4081), this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4081 According to DX it has a Cree XR-E P4 LED emitter, a glass lens and a smooth (deep) plastic reflector. It has a two mode tail-cap clickie (low and high, no momentary) and takes either 2xCR123A or 1x18650 to power it. It has a 3.6V-9.0V input, giving liberal options to power it. DX claims 100 Lux @1M. The battery tube is roomy, protected batteries fit easy.

This review will be a little different because: I'm a noob, and no expert on flashlights; this is my first report/review, and my reason for buying the light was different from most. Please be gentle, I have little knowledge and brief experience with flashlights.

I was looking for a powerful thrower, actually not for how far it would throw, but for its power. I wanted a light I could use along with my handgun in the event of an intruder in our home. I wanted one for the light to help me find the intruder, and hopefully one which would partially blind the intruder, giving me an edge to deal with the threat if neccesary.

I had an Ultrafire C2 3W (DX SKU 1446), which is a great little light, but not as powerful as I wanted for this purpose. I wanted more power, and I got it. I had my wife use it on me, and in our darkened house it immediately completely blinded me, and made it impossible to see the person behind the light. All I could see was searing white spots in my eyes, and it was impossible not to turn away.

The first click is "high", so you don't have to deal with stepping through modes. Click the tail clickie once and you're there. And it's the perfect size and weight for this use. With the strike bezel, along with its heft and large head, real damage could be done to an intruder's face if it had to be used like a kubaton, instead of resorting to lethal force.

It's a very well made light for this price range ($27.95). With batteries loaded it feels very substantial in your hand. The fit and finish is good, although not a Type IIII finish. I found the wall thickness, machining and threads to be quite good, and the battery tube gives plenty of room for protected RCR123A's and 18650's. I've seen smoother tail clickies, but this one works well enough and is recessed to allow a good tail stand. The low mode should be much dimmer, it's fairly useless as there's little difference between low and high. Experts probably wouldn't be happy with the beam as my emitter wasn't perfectly centered, but I find it fine for my use. It's a good size light (6.57 in x 2.17 in x 2.17 in and 6.84 oz) with a large head, certainly not for EDC, but a nice handful if you have to use it for a last resort defense. It would certainly increase the effectiveness of a backhanded punch.

The tail cap has a steel rod plunger with the spring enclosed inside a compartment instead of just an exposed spring. The tail has double o-rings. Although the head is large, the light is amazingly well balanced at almost the exact centerpoint, making it very comfortable to use. On my outside throw tests it really impressed me - this is an amazingly bright light for an LED. Using 2xRCR123A's I could light up trees a block away, and the spill was just about perfect for closer work. The spot is so bright you find yourself using the spill for anything close, and ignoring the low mode.

Totally by accident I gave it a drop test the first day. It was knocked off a high table onto a hardwood floor, bouncing and smacking so hard you could hear it all over the house. It came up with no damage and working perfectly.

Overall I am very pleased with this light. It's a very good value for the low purchase price. It's the brightest LED I've seen, bright enough to make one think it's an incandecent. I'm sorry for the lack of beamshots or technical information - I simply don't have the knowledge or experience to evaluate or supply such info.

I'll help you out here is the Eastward Yj and 3w Cree Projection beamshot
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side by side
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Two comments: 1) The beam tint, pattern and throw is almost indistinguishable from the MRV. I have compared several of each. 2) The switch has a glitch. If you disassemble it and replace the malfitting metal/plastic rivet under the dome of the silicone cover with a silicone plug cut from the center of another silicone cover (including the 4mm post that contacts the head of the clicky), it works much more smoothly. The 5mm central post segment in the silicone covers from DX need to be shortened to about 2mm. I cut the plug from the donor cover using a 1cm thin metal tube taken from a pen sharpened with some fine sandpaper. All other silicone cutting requires a sharp single edge razor blade. If I can find the time, I'll get some pics for everyone.
 
Thanks for the guide. Could you please brief me more detail comparing 3w cree projection to MRV? throw distance and overall brightness? i am considering of getting MRV as my ultimate Throw flashlight.
 
I've been eyeing this light for months for a project idea I have. Anyone know how easy it is to disassemble? I know the head won't come off the body, but does the rest come apart? I need access to the LED module to completely remove it for my project. Thanks for the info!
 
Thanks for the guide. Could you please brief me more detail comparing 3w cree projection to MRV? throw distance and overall brightness? i am considering of getting MRV as my ultimate Throw flashlight.

I also would like to know this as well. Been looking at this and the MRV for a long time now but the MRV price is just wayyyyy too high for me. My brightest flashlight right now is the Ultrafire C2 and I would like to have a flashlight with a tighter, smaller, brighter, spot.
 
Thanks for adding the beamshots and technical data guys. My light actually has a better beam, without the rings. Mine is a very distinct spot (just not completely centered) and a nice spill, with no artifacts anywhere. I really am liking this light, the absolute brightest LED I've ever seen. - Larry
 
Thanks for the guide. Could you please brief me more detail comparing 3w cree projection to MRV? throw distance and overall brightness? i am considering of getting MRV as my ultimate Throw flashlight.

I suspect that the MRV is slightly more efficient because the output is very similar with a smaller reflector. But if you were looking 250 yards away at the 3W CREE Projection light and the MRV on either high or low, you could not tell which was which in terms of brightness, beam pattern, or tint. The MRV is a little better constructed, but the 3W CREE Projection light has a better UI with a tail clicky for high and low. Don't get me wrong, the 3W CREE Projection is very nicely made, especially after addressing the minor clicky glitch. BTW, all of my MRV lights came with a weird momentary switch, and I had to insert the more standard two-mode clicky. The engineers at LumaPower seem to like the combined body twisty for hi/low and tail clicky for on/off, but I think this is an unnecessary complication. As you probably already know, the MRV is four to five times the cost of the 3W CREE Projection light.
 
hows the spill...does it light up the yard nice or just light up where the hotspot is
 
Wassernaut, nice review,nice beam shots,clear and concise summation,Everyone on this forum started somewhere,congrats for your nice effort,and thanks for your info.experience and high tech evaluation gear are secondary to a sincere desire to push the limits of our passion and fun hobby(some say obsession). truly thanks for your efforts.
 
hows the spill...does it light up the yard nice or just light up where the hotspot is

Mine lights up the yard very nice with the spill. I use it much more than the spot for anything reasonably close. The spot is small but the spill is good size and very usable.

Ocean - Thanks for the kind words. I'm taking baby steps and learning much by reading much more than writing. The free info by the knowlegable pros on this site is invaluable to one new to quality lights.

- Larry
 
I've been eyeing this light for months for a project idea I have. Anyone know how easy it is to disassemble? I know the head won't come off the body, but does the rest come apart? I need access to the LED module to completely remove it for my project. Thanks for the info!

on mine i can easily remove the bezel then take out the plastic reflector and finally remove the black cover then you could see the emitter.
 
Thanks for adding the beamshots and technical data guys. My light actually has a better beam, without the rings. Mine is a very distinct spot (just not completely centered) and a nice spill, with no artifacts anywhere. I really am liking this light, the absolute brightest LED I've ever seen. - Larry

Hi, could you please post your 3w cree projection as i am curious how the beam compared to mine. You mention that yours has better beam, this is supposed to be the same flashlight :confused: if what you said is true then your has better throw. Is it OP or smooth? mine is smooth hence ringed beam typical of Cree without OP reflector.

As for MRV, i am sure it is a better product but then again it depends on how much you willing to pay to get the extra *bling*.
 
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I have several of these lights and received another just yesterday. It rattled, so I opened the head and noted that the emitter module was loose. Tightening it was easy, and it works fine. I didn't check the beam pattern before and after tightening it, but I wonder if some differences between lights are caused by loose modules.
 
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I have several of these lights and received another just yesterday. It rattled, so I opened the head and noted that the emitter module was loose. Tightening it was easy, and it works fine. I didn't check the beam pattern before and after tightening it, but I wonder if some differences between lights are caused by loose modules.

Almost forgot that this is chinesse made light where variation between sample is normal.

Anyone expirienced melted glue on the positive contact which stick to the battery when the light running hot?
 
Is the emitter module removeable?

Thanks for all the great shots and reviews guys!
 
Is the emitter module removeable?

Thanks for all the great shots and reviews guys!

The bezel unscrews easily allowing the lens and mirror to come out. The star is screwed to an aluminum pill/slug that can be unthreaded easily. One light that I received this week was rattling because the pill/slug was loose, so I had to tighten it.
 
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