Monkying around with random (HID) parts

Zelandeth

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Well...it's not a flashlight, technically speaking. Presently it's held together by rubber bands, will power, and is tied to a mains power socket by a ridiculously short power cord. but I figured you guys might want a look anyway.

(Note, all pics apart from the beamshots are a early version of the test rig, I refined it somewhat after that, was just wanting to see if it would focus at all in the early pics).

Firstly, the lamp in question: a General Electric 20W CMH-TC metal halide lamp, the specs of which can be found on the following page from www.lamptech.co.uk.

Powering that up on its own was impressive...as a point source anyway. However, having no idea of the amount of runtime on the bulb, was also somewhat unnerving (MH lamps generally should be operated only in fully enclosed luminaires, as the lamps occasionally explode when at the end of their life). Also, I wanted to know what would happen if all that light was focussed. Suddenly, I realised that I might have just the thing...
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That light has an aluminium reflector, pretty large (~110mm as I remember), with a very thick glass lens. Is also set up to handle the heat from a 50W halogen bulb, so a 20W MH one should be no bother. So, let's see...will the bulb fit through the hole in the reflector (I ain't making it bigger, I want it back when I'm done!)...
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PERFECT fit!

Okay, that established, time to figure out some way of holding everything together, and focus it. To do this, I screwed the lamp socket onto a piece of what I THINK is fibreboard of some kind, has been proven to be uninterested in burning though, as I often rest the soldering iron on it, and it never so much as smoulders. This ain't long term anyway, is just a test lash-up! If you make something similar yourself though, PLEASE use a suitable material to mount the lampholder to...not wood of any kind.

Next...how the (£**)"~# am I going to hold the reflector in place??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif As it turned out, the NEAR perfect solution to that was a metal slinky! Sitting on the base around the lampholder, it held the reflector NEARLY the perfect height over the lamp. Not quite perfect, had a bit of a doghnut hole in the beam, but it proved to me that it could be done...and gave me a chance to snap a shot of the glow of the lamp cooling down.
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Also, that reflector/lens should be capable of containing an exploding lamp in the unlikely event that it happened, saving me from me having to deal with bits of quartz at 500 degrees zapping over the room if the worst happened.

A couple of hours later, I came back in, and looked at this again, while snacking on some Pringles...then it hit me, how I could make a temporary spacer...and I was holding it in my hand, of course, a bit of Pringles tube! Five minutes and a broken set of scissors later, I had this.
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It's worth noting that in the above shot, my camera's auto exposure control just took one look at it, and went to hide in the corner. That room is actually pretty brightly lit by daylight, not direct sunlight, but it ain't dark! Well, at least the colour's accurate. The beam then, pretty easy to describe. The Hotshot. Which TOTALLY overloaded the camera, is ridiculously intense, from about 10 feet, is about 15cm across, the bright corona, slightly greater in brighteness to the spot of a stock 5D Mag, is about 2 feet across at that distance, and a wider corona nearly covering the whole hight of the wall, which is still nearly capable of drowining out a 1W LS light! I want to put one of these things in a flashlight now! Beam is beautifully smooth, the transition between the parts of the beam is sharp, but there's not another ring to be seen. Only real artefact is the "bite" taken out of the beam by the return wire for the arc tube. The pic is a waste of time really, the middle corona's all that's visible really! Will try to get another one soon.

By this time, it's been running for half an hour, and the only thing that's noticably hot is the lens. Back of the reflector's warm, but not too hot to touch. Will stop panicing about the cardboard reflector spacer for now then.

I eventally figured out a way of holding the reflector in place with some drawing pins inserted into the rubber lens retainer, rubber bands looped around them, and clipped onto the base (pics to follow), which then meant I could try to capture the best thing about this, the highly visible beam. Camera doesn't like this kind of thing, but I managed!
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It actually appears considerably brighter to the eye, but you get the idea.

It's a shame these lamps are so fragile, aside from the run up time (~a minute for this one), and that, they're brilliant! A point source like that is just sooo easy to focus, this is with the reflector out of a $20 light, move upmarket, and you could probably get those photons to do all kinds of wierd and wonderful things.

Ah well, will get a few more shots of this, then rewire things and see what happens when I stick a 35W lamp in the same reflector...Think getting introduced to HID things was a bad idea...I'm hooked now! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Will probably have a couple of pics to follow later. For now, enjoy having a laugh at my crude (to say the least) setup, and feel free to ask any questions. And if you do decide to mess around with this kinda stuff, BE CAREFUL.
 
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Okay, here's the rest of the pics, in no particular order.
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The test lashup as it stands now. I replaced the piece of Pringles tube with some wire mesh, the tinfoil wrapped around it there is purely to cut down on the amount of light leaking out of the back.

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And a quick shot of the ballast being used. Pretty standard really. Nice and quiet though, doesn't whistle or hiss like the Philips ones I have.

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And a beamshot better showing the distinct "sectors" I circled them in red to show the angles.

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And if I remember from the filename correctly, a better shot showing the reflector.
 
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Zel,

That's outrageous. Brilliantly ghetto and I mean that with admiration. Very well done!

Wilkey
 
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Heh, that's what I do best, make something out of nothing. Need to figure out a better way of keeping the reflector still on there, then take it outside and see how far that thing will actually throw! The hotspot's tighter than with the incan that's normally in there, and there's more light overall...so it should be pretty impressive.

Tried it with the 35W lamp. A little brighter overall, but the larger arc tube means that it doesn't have the almost laser like primary hotspot, beam seemed to be a little more ringy as well, went back to the 20W one. Okay, that was also because I'd by that point bolted the 20W ballast onto the frame, and I had no desire to take the whole darn thing apart again either.

Worth noting in that pic looking down the reflector, it's the camera that's out of line, not the bulb - that's actually perfectly centered just now.

Think what surprised me here, is that something that looks so messy can create such a good beam! Need to make it portable...or at least portable enough to see how it can throw.

I swear though...that reflector was MADE FOR THAT BULB!

(Mwhaha...coming up next, the 150W metal halide version...when I find a reflector for it anyway...)
 
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So is that a 220v AC powered ballast? Would something like that be cheaper than a 12v version? I have a small lead acid battery attached to a 50w power inverter with a handle. I use it to power a compact flourescent bulb as a lantern for camping...it would also be a great power source for that!
 
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Now thats a neat set up! but quick few questions.

What is the warm up time for that ballast? does it have a instant start or does it take a few min, to warm up to full brightness?
I have a swing arm lamp modifyed to use a 175 watt MH bulb, sadly it has 2 flaws, takes about 5 min to fully warm up, and it has no safty cover over the lamp so if that thing pops I hope no one is around. (I am trying to find ways to shield the bulb)
 
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Guess you could simply wire the ballast up to the inverter - ballast only draws 100mA at 220VAC. To be honest, I have no idea how much these cost, or if there's a low voltage equivilant for these lamps. These were surplus parts which I was very kindy donated by someone.

Run up time for this particular lamp is just under a minute basically (colour shifts VERY slightly over the next minute or so, but you'd not notice it if you weren't looking for it). It's pretty quick warming up for a Metal Halide lamp.

One other thing you might want to check with that lamp, is whether the envelope is UV-blocking quartz, these things pump out quite an amount of UV internally, in the case of this lamp, it's blocked by the outer envelope, but not in the 150W version I have.
 
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I belive the bulb's outer glass does block UV, the reasons I am guessing this as I can still see and things don't seem to flouress.
I found out the hard way that even a little bit of short wave uv light can effect one's eyes. I have a flouresent rock collection and they need shortwave uv to flouress right. to save money I assembled the light my self using a 15watt florescent light fixture, a spare 15watt germicidal lamp and a new hunk of filter glass. I used black silicone to hold the glass in and turned the light on to spot gaps in the sealent, that was the mistake! even a little bit of exposure caused my eyes to hurt for the next day. Now I use safty glasses around that thing.
 

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