More EV fires after salt water flooding

mrfixitman

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That is exactly what happens, one side uses mind control tactics to turn some car enthusiasts into SJW without them even realizing it. Division is exactly what they want. It is not about clean air, or to save a planet, it is a war for power, masqueraded as caring for the planet. Make no mistake about it, it is a war.
Do you watch Jay Leno? He has a conservative approach to automotive issues. Reasonable and thoughtful. I don't totally agree but he has interesting views on the subject.
 

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Older vehicles, such as those manufactured before 2004, can be responsible for a significant amount of pollution. In California, these vehicles make up only 19% of registered cars, but they produce the majority of tailpipe pollution. This pollution includes harmful emissions that contribute to climate change and lung-damaging particulate matter.


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New Study Finds Aging Gas Vehicles Cause Significant Pollution in ...
Jun 6, 2023 — While passenger cars and trucks manufactured before 2004 represent just 19% of registered cars in California, they are responsible for the majority of tailpipe pollution because they produce higher amounts of lung-damaging particulate pollution and harmful emissions that drive climate change, the analysis shows.











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Yes. I think my strategy of mostly urls doesn't break the rules. Truthful content can't be argued with as much as opinion. Hard to argue against Ohm's Law.
Do you claim to know the Ohm's law, right?

May you, please, present us the calculation of energy losses while delivering electric power from your local power plant starting from its efficiency itself, then the efficiency of converting the voltage from generators to the main line, then the efficiency of energy delivery to your local two-stage transformers, then the efficiency of these transformers (what are they, 10 KV or 25 KV?), then the efficiency of electric energy delivery to your house, then the efficiency of your house charging station, then the efficiency of your vehicle batteries being charged, then the efficiency of those batteries being discharged, then the efficiency of the electric motor(s) of your vehicle.

And now compare to the efficiency of modern ICE engines:

Diesel — 44%;
Gas — 40% (M20A-FKS, A25A-FKS, for example).

We are waiting. Stop this marxist BS, do the math!
 

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If he did it was an accident. I was in a car underwater. The door light still worked. An electric motor will happily run underwater. It's not necessarily fatal to drop a plugged-in electrical device into bath water while in the bath, but it's possible to get an electric shock if the device comes into contact with water. This is because bath water is more conductive than the human body, unless it's distilled water, and the current would flow from the device to the ground through the water. The pipes that fill the bathtub are also likely metal, which is highly conductive.
I agree partially with your assessment about electricity. Regarding Trump, he speaks what is on his mind. He is a nonstop dynamo of power and doesn't get confused in front of the camera on world stages. No new wars, great economy. The current administration keeps saying the economy is great when everyone except the rich can see the truth with every shopping trip and fill up. This is as far as I will go before I get kicked off having just recently starting to participate after nearly dying over the last 5 years.
 

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Do you claim to know the Ohm's law, right?

May you, please, present us the calculation of energy losses while delivering electric power from your local power plant starting from its efficiency itself, then the efficiency of converting the voltage from generators to the main line, then the efficiency of energy delivery to your local two-stage transformers, then the efficiency of these transformers (what are they, 10 KV or 25 KV?), then the efficiency of electric energy delivery to your house, then the efficiency of your house charging station, then the efficiency of your vehicle batteries being charged, then the efficiency of those batteries being discharged, then the efficiency of the electric motor(s) of your vehicle.

And now compare to the efficiency of modern ICE engines:

Diesel — 44%;
Gas — 40% (M20A-FKS, A25A-FKS, for example).

We are waiting. Stop this marxist BS, do the math!
You will wait a looooong time if you think I am going to waste my brain and get out my basic electricity book. No thanks. Here is something from the Pilots of America list. They are into gas/diesel and battery flight. WTW(well to wheel data below. I think it will answer your basic question:
The tremendous growth in the transportation sector as a result of changes in our ways of transport and a rise in the level of prosperity was reflected directly by the intensification of energy needs. Thus, electric vehicles (EV) have been produced to minimise the energy consumption of conventional vehicles. Although the EV motor is more efficient than the internal combustion engine, the well to wheel (WTW) efficiency should be investigated in terms of determining the overall energy efficiency. In simple words, this study will try to answer the basic question-is the electric car really energy efficient compared with ICE-powered vehicles? This study investigates the WTW efficiency of conventional internal combustion engine vehicles ICEVs (gasoline, diesel), compressed natural gas vehicles (CNGV) and EVs. The results show that power plant efficiency has a significant consequence on WTW efficiency. The total WTW efficiency of gasoline ICEV ranges between 11-27 %, diesel ICEV ranges from 25 % to 37 % and CNGV ranges from 12 % to 22 %. The EV fed by a natural gas power plant shows the highest WTW efficiency which ranges from 13 % to 31 %. While the EV supplied by coal-fired and diesel power plants have approximately the same WTW efficiency ranging between 13 % to 27 % and 12 % to 25 %, respectively. If renewable energy is used, the losses will drop significantly and the overall efficiency for electric cars will be around 40-70 % depending on the source and the location of the renewable energy systems.
https://www.researchgate.net/profil...S704Ysu3RQ7wUoC1fo7H-VKKFdkfzd1Te6ei_w&_iepl=
WHEN THE GRID IS RUN ON RENEWABLES THE PRECENTAGES GO WAY UP, WHEN THE WELL IS THE SUN.
 

mrfixitman

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I agree partially with your assessment about electricity. Regarding Trump, he speaks what is on his mind. He is a nonstop dynamo of power and doesn't get confused in front of the camera on world stages. No new wars, great economy. The current administration keeps saying the economy is great when everyone except the rich can see the truth with every shopping trip and fill up. This is as far as I will go before I get kicked off having just recently starting to participate after nearly dying over the last 5 years.
Glad you are feeling better. My Tesla stocks are doing well. Gas I don't care as I drive electric or bike. Let's keep it on topic.
 

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That is exactly what happens, one side uses mind control tactics to turn some car enthusiasts into SJW without them even realizing it. Division is exactly what they want. It is not about clean air, or to save a planet, it is a war for power, masqueraded as caring for the planet. Make no mistake about it, it is a war.
No gearhead is going to become a SJW(well maybe) Tesla cars just go faster, are safer, and overall cheaper to run. What's not to like. Going faster is a gearhead thing. Another reason people will change. But the main reason I predict is the eventual lower price.
 

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My friend. You are not the enemy. Pollution caused by Fossil Fuel is the problem. This poison is no longer needed. There are alternatives to every petroleum product. Those who profit from them see this and are changing. Shell is dumping gas stations for electric chargers. It will be very different. Fueling at home from the grid mostly. Renewables already cheaper. Integration will be painful for some. There's answers for EVerything. However while performance will increase. No more vroom, vroom. Fossil fuel priced out by 2035. Google it. Do some real research. Not opinion or conjecture. Understand S Curves. Get rid of stranded assets. Use electric EVerything. Cheaper, better, faster. As with Kodak, Nokia and 8tracks.
How do you propose to use renewables to replace fossil fuels?

Case in point: An upcoming show I'm doing. Just the technology alone is going to draw ~100-150kW. HVAC will be ~85kW. I don't have the loads yet for catering or the rest of the building. ~150kW idle, 235kW going full-throttle. Let's just say 200kW/h average to account for catering and the other loads and setup/strike time. We're budgeting 400kW for instantaneous load. After 8 hours that'll be 1,600kWh... of pure coal, natural gas, and diesel power. What magical unicorn rainbow farts would be able to power this, reliably? and this is a small show, just a wedding with 50-100 people.
 

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How do you propose to use renewables to replace fossil fuels?

Case in point: An upcoming show I'm doing. Just the technology alone is going to draw ~100-150kW. HVAC will be ~85kW. I don't have the loads yet for catering or the rest of the building. ~150kW idle, 235kW going full-throttle. Let's just say 200kW/h average to account for catering and the other loads and setup/strike time. We're budgeting 400kW for instantaneous load. After 8 hours that'll be 1,600kWh... of pure coal, natural gas, and diesel power. What magical unicorn rainbow farts would be able to power this, reliably? and this is a small show, just a wedding with 50-100 people.
I did post this in the other protagonist thread but it applies here also.

TPA, look no further. You're saved!

 

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How do you propose to use renewables to replace fossil fuels?

Case in point: An upcoming show I'm doing. Just the technology alone is going to draw ~100-150kW. HVAC will be ~85kW. I don't have the loads yet for catering or the rest of the building. ~150kW idle, 235kW going full-throttle. Let's just say 200kW/h average to account for catering and the other loads and setup/strike time. We're budgeting 400kW for instantaneous load. After 8 hours that'll be 1,600kWh... of pure coal, natural gas, and diesel power. What magical unicorn rainbow farts would be able to power this, reliably? and this is a small show, just a wedding with 50-100 people.
They do it in California and Australia and TEXAS???? https://www.forbes.com/sites/anandg...renewables-are-saving-texas-in-the-heat-wave/
 

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Do you claim to know the Ohm's law, right?

May you, please, present us the calculation of energy losses while delivering electric power from your local power plant starting from its efficiency itself, then the efficiency of converting the voltage from generators to the main line, then the efficiency of energy delivery to your local two-stage transformers, then the efficiency of these transformers (what are they, 10 KV or 25 KV?), then the efficiency of electric energy delivery to your house, then the efficiency of your house charging station, then the efficiency of your vehicle batteries being charged, then the efficiency of those batteries being discharged, then the efficiency of the electric motor(s) of your vehicle.

And now compare to the efficiency of modern ICE engines:

Diesel — 44%;
Gas — 40% (M20A-FKS, A25A-FKS, for example).

We are waiting. Stop this marxist BS, do the math!
It won't happen, because like a lot of sheep, he'll conveniently forget about the process, much like people forget about how food ends up on the shelves of their supermarket.
It's not about petrol, or Electricity, it's about a small group of people trying to control a large group of people, and this guy is just a useful idiot, who has been misled, by extremely nefarious forces, into thinking that 'utopia' is just around the corner if we all trust the state.
Ring any bells? Yup, you guessed it, Communism.
 

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Market only rules in a free society, with socialism and communism gvmnt dictates all rules and owns everything and everyone, no choices, no freedom. That is what they try to turn this country into.
 

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That's funny considering this is a thread about electric cars catching on fire.
I don't need to hear a love letter about the guy that thought bleach or a bright light up the butt was a good idea to cure covid. His comment on electricity was amusing. You should have stopped there.
 

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Market only rules in a free society, with socialism and communism gvmnt dictates all rules and owns everything and everyone, no choices, no freedom. That is what they try to turn this country into.
The government is supposed to keep the market from strangling the people. Balance in everything. There is a watchful eye on both sides. That is balance. Also compromise. No compromise, the people find a way around awful laws. While the other side makes more awful laws to answer. Finally people can do pot without going to jail. Yes the government is supporting EV adoption and renewables. More support is still going to fossil fuels. You will see. The market will come to it's senses and the "cheap" way will win. It always does.
 

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Glad you are feeling better. My Tesla stocks are doing well. Gas I don't care as I drive electric or bike. Let's keep it on topic.

That's funny considering this is a thread about electric cars catching on fire.

I don't need to hear a love letter about the guy that thought bleach or a bright light up the butt was a good idea to cure covid. His comment on electricity was amusing. You should have stopped there.
Huh?
You must be having a dog face pony soldier moment from the time canibals ate your uncle.
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The government is supposed to keep the market from strangling the people. Balance in everything. There is a watchful eye on both sides. That is balance. Also compromise. No compromise, the people find a way around awful laws. While the other side makes more awful laws to answer. Finally people can do pot without going to jail. Yes the government is supporting EV adoption and renewables. More support is still going to fossil fuels. You will see. The market will come to it's senses and the "cheap" way will win. It always does.
 

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