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YEt capitalist countries thrive, while socialist fall, even if something good created there, their inventors go to capitalist countries to actually make it happen. nikola tesla, sarnoff of the RCA (came from russia) Sikorski, also came from russia, and hundreds more, they build their enterprises here, not there. All the major enterprises that affect the whole world are created by capitalists, show me great inventions from socialist countries. i can not think of a single one. why do their bright minds get nowhere, or in gulags, and those who come here especially basically create the modern world.
You originally claimed capitalism leads to innovation. Now you're admitting that lots of great inventions came out of socialist or communist countries (which is true). Yes, many inventions had to be taken to capitalist countries to reach the masses, but that's where capitalism shines-making/distributing stuff efficiently. Nobody disputes that. It's hard to motivate workers in a socialist country where they'll get the same things whether they work hard or not. It's also hard to motivate them in a capitalist country if they don't have a stake in the company (i.e. they make more if the company makes more).
It is really what they want you to think, a bunch of entitled lazy socialists that modern education system creates in last 30 years do not make this country better. just look around.
Don't blame the education system. Blame the race to the bottom in terms of pay. Why should people do anything beyond the bare minimum needed to keep their jobs if there is no reward for it? We now have crony capitalism in the US. Those who already made it get to dictate the terms which keep competitors out.
 

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Don't blame the education system. Blame the race to the bottom in terms of pay. Why should people do anything beyond the bare minimum needed to keep their jobs if there is no reward for it?
Do you realize you just described socialism and why socialist countries fail. no incentives. Educational system brainwashed you that you can not become anyone unless you get born into right family, yet in real world, bezos, jobs, gates, all started from their garages, were no richer than you now, and see where they ended up, they we never told they can not,. there are countless examples like them, in capitalist countries, little to none come from socialists, of course not all are that rich, but very well off, Educational system is exactly why people think the way you do. before kids were taught to create and build, now kids are indoctrinated into exact opposite. and we see the undeniable results.

I know what i said, there are bright minds all over the world, but they only grow to their full potential in the evil capitalist west. yes there are negatives to capitalism, sure, but positives are so much greater, all depends on you.
 

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Do you realize you just described socialism and why socialist countries fail. no incentives. Educational system brainwashed you that you can not become anyone unless you get born into right family, yet in real world, bezos, jobs, gates, all started from their garages, were no richer than you now, and see where they ended up, they we never told they can not,. there are countless examples like them, in capitalist countries, little to none come from socialists, of course not all are that rich, but very well off, Educational system is exactly why people think the way you do. before kids were taught to create and build, now kids are indoctrinated into exact opposite. and we see the undeniable results.
WTF are you talking about? I was born in 1962, long before what you call the so-called age of indoctrination started. My views aren't from resigning myself to self-defeat because I wan't born into money. They're based on realism watching most of the people I know who work very hard barely getting by, and having zero free time to do stuff that matters. The only ones who have a shot are those able to start some kind of business. Not all get very wealthy, but at least you get to keep all the added value of your labor. However, most people lack the intelligence, self-discipline, or education to go into business for themselves. As an engineer, I was able to do this. After a few years as a wage slave, I thought to myself this isn't how I want to spend my next 35 or 40 years. Getting laid off gave me the push to go alone. However, if not for living at home, with my parents supporting me, that wouldn't have been possible. Not everyone has the support system to provide for them while their business is getting established.

Whatever the merits of capitalism for making/distributing products efficiently, if falls flat providing a good quality of life for the majority of the population. Quality of life is more than just lots of trinkets. It's about having free time to actually enjoy life, something wage slaves just don't have.
I know what i said, there are bright minds all over the world, but they only grow to their full potential in the evil capitalist west. yes there are negatives to capitalism, sure, but positives are so much greater, all depends on you.
The minds don't grow to their full potential under capitalism. What they create does. Remember the former USSR, and now China, had/have among the best educational systems in the world. They produce many great minds. Problem is under their system those people aren't properly rewarded for their contributions. That's why they leave.
 

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Having been born into the USSR, and spending my early years there; I can tell you that the education system (at least for children) was garbage! Most of it consisted of being taught Russian and basic math. And, that's literally it. Schools were crumbling, and falling apart. No clue where this idea came from that the USSR had a great education system in place. I sure as heck didn't experience that as a child.
 

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Having been born into the USSR, and spending my early years there; I can tell you that the education system (at least for children) was garbage! Most of it consisted of being taught Russian and basic math. And, that's literally it. Schools were crumbling, and falling apart. No clue where this idea came from that the USSR had a great education system in place. I sure as heck didn't experience that as a child.
Well, by that time a lot of the USSR was already turning to sh*t because they were trying to outspend the US on defense. It's probably more accurate to say their education system might have been great in the earlier years of the USSR. Ironically, the same is pretty much true of the US. Public schools were great when my parents attended them. They were even pretty good when I attended them (1967-1980). Many are garbage now.
 

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I asked my dad a few times, long ago how it was when he attended school in Russia. Nope, if anything, it was worse in his day! How bad was it? His dad actually encouraged him to drop out and go find full-time work. (Dad had been working part-time back then. Even though technically 12 year-olds weren't legally allowed to work. And, certainly not allowed to drive trucks! Corruption so rampant that police looked the other way.)

His dad told him to work as an apprentice, get a needed skill, and make money that way! Honestly, great advice from grand-pa whom I never met. Not sure why dad didn't give me that advice. It's advice I give to young folks nowadays. Dad became a machinist. Fantastic set of skills that helped him make money both here and in the USSR.

He told me a funny story once about driving that big box truck. Government driving instructors who were in charge of handing out driving licenses, would sometimes intentionally cause young drivers to fail. They too had a box truck which they used for testing. Would take candidates to a certain narrow alley. Very same one. And, tell them to back the truck into the loading dock. Scrap the sides = automatic fail. First time dad took his test, he aced it! They couldn't believe it! Shocked at how much "natural" driving talent he had.

Truth is, by 13 years of age, dad had backed into that very same loading dock hundreds of times! Had the experience. Nothing natural about it. I learned a valuable lesson from that story. Always be suspicious of a newbie who claims they only very recently learned how to do something. If they can suddenly do that something the same way an experienced Pro can do it.... You're dealing with an experienced Pro who lied to you about being a newbie.
 

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You are listening to too much BS. I do this out of cleaning up the environment and self-interest. Try and spend $550 a year for energy. You can't do it if you buy gas. If you have electrical devices and solar or wind, why do you need the power company or big oil. I do not miss going to the gas station. Ground water? Ask those near fracking! Fission looks good. Hydrogen? You can't park a hydrogen car in a garage or drive cross country. $15 bucks a gallon. Too expensive for me. Solar farms are usually over parking lots. Keeps cars cool. Toyota's Ammonia car, hahahahahah. Fu@& Karl Marx. Do what's right for society and yourself. $550 a year...beat that. Self-interest overall. Do you really think about all those that lost their jobs shoveling horse manure? Hydrogen will be needed for clean steel........do some research and smell the reality of science.
Works for me. You have to "really " do your math. Highly insulated house. Efficient devices. Offshore turbines. Tidal production. Thinking outside the box. https://thesustainablehome.net/the-dumont-house/

You make some compelling arguments about the viability and benefits of alternative energy sources like solar and wind over traditional fossil fuels, especially in terms of personal and environmental cost. It's interesting to hear how you've managed to keep your energy expenses so low annually through these methods. The broader implications of energy consumption choices on both individual lifestyles and societal infrastructure are certainly worth considering.

Regarding the use of hydrogen and solar energy, do you think there are technological or infrastructural developments on the horizon that might make hydrogen more viable and less costly for the average consumer? Also, since you've successfully reduced your energy costs with solar power, could you share some insights or tips on how others can effectively optimize their home energy systems to achieve similar savings? Additionally, I'm curious about your thoughts on the long-term sustainability of relying on solar panels and other green technologies that are manufactured abroad, considering the environmental costs of production and transportation.
 

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Hydrogen is a trip to nowhere. It is needed technically for certain processes. It is an expendable. It is not a good energy storage device. That's based on efficiency and cost. All electric devices run directly on renewables are the cheapest. That would be from your energy collector or storage device to use. Second best is using the grid as your battery. However that's a bit more costly. Insulate your house and a hundred watt lightbulb could heat it. This is easier in mild climates. However as you move away from population centers it's cheaper living but transportation goes up. Lots of details to consider.
 

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You make some compelling arguments about the viability and benefits of alternative energy sources like solar and wind over traditional fossil fuels, especially in terms of personal and environmental cost. It's interesting to hear how you've managed to keep your energy expenses so low annually through these methods. The broader implications of energy consumption choices on both individual lifestyles and societal infrastructure are certainly worth considering.

Regarding the use of hydrogen and solar energy, do you think there are technological or infrastructural developments on the horizon that might make hydrogen more viable and less costly for the average consumer? Also, since you've successfully reduced your energy costs with solar power, could you share some insights or tips on how others can effectively optimize their home energy systems to achieve similar savings? Additionally, I'm curious about your thoughts on the long-term sustainability of relying on solar panels and other green technologies that are manufactured abroad, considering the environmental costs of production and transportation.

You're absolutely right about the potential of hydrogen as a clean energy source, although it currently faces significant challenges in terms of cost and infrastructure. Innovations in electrolysis technology and larger-scale production facilities could potentially make hydrogen more accessible and affordable in the future.

For optimizing home energy systems with solar power, the key is to start with an energy audit to understand your consumption patterns. Installing energy-efficient appliances, using smart thermostats, and ensuring good insulation can all enhance the effectiveness of a solar power setup. Moreover, considering local or community solar programs might be a viable option for those unable to install panels directly.

Regarding the sustainability of importing solar panels and other green technologies, it's crucial to balance the immediate environmental benefits of renewable energy with the long-term impacts of production and transport. Developing more localized production capacities and improving recycling technologies for solar panel components are steps that could mitigate these concerns. What do you think could further incentivize the local production of these technologies?
 

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He told me a funny story once about driving that big box truck. Government driving instructors who were in charge of handing out driving licenses, would sometimes intentionally cause young drivers to fail. They too had a box truck which they used for testing. Would take candidates to a certain narrow alley. Very same one. And, tell them to back the truck into the loading dock. Scrap the sides = automatic fail. First time dad took his test, he aced it! They couldn't believe it! Shocked at how much "natural" driving talent he had.
As someone who lived there I can tell you it is true, even if you pay them to pass, or do it enough time to pass, then when you actually go to get your license, you'll find out there are mistakes in it, of course made intentionally, so you come back and pay to fix them, or you will wait very long for the process, not unusual to find new mistakes in your corrected license. and the saga continues, lol
 

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Regarding the use of hydrogen and solar energy, do you think there are technological or infrastructural developments on the horizon that might make hydrogen more viable and less costly for the average consumer?
cedricwilsom1990

You're absolutely right about the potential of hydrogen as a clean energy source, although it currently faces significant challenges in terms of cost and infrastructure. Innovations in electrolysis technology and larger-scale production facilities could potentially make hydrogen more accessible and affordable in the future.


Here is the problem with hydrogen. It is, by the numbers, 4 times more energy intensive. Electrolysis, compression then extraction through a fuel cell make it dead on arrival. That it got to the car development point is only because California legislators said yes. That's a good thing. Other skeptical states let California do it first. It has failed as stations in California and Europe are shutting down. Original math wasn't accepted. Hydrogen was tried in transportation. The market place has it's own math. Observation of failure. The other states dodged the bullet of million dollar fueling stations. Superchargers are about $33k each. Unless the laws of physics change forget hydrogen. However there are industrial uses for hydrogen. Green is the way to go there, over cracking natural gas. https://www.technologyreview.com/2024/02/28/1089068/ev-hydrogen-race-cleaner-cars/
 
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Wrong. Please listen to the scientists.
I looked through your article ( you need to pay to read it all), maybe you're right. What about other clean energy? For example, charging an Electric Car with solar power? Here it's said that it's clean https://solarpowersystems.org/blog/how-many-solar-panels-does-it-take-to-charge-an-electric-car/
 

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I looked through your article ( you need to pay to read it all), maybe you're right. What about other clean energy? For example, charging an Electric Car with solar power? Here it's said that it's clean....
Not disputing that solar-charging isn't clean. But keep in mind that solar-charging technology is still in its infancy. It's just not very useful. You need a good sized house with practically every section of the roof covered in solar panels to get any meaningful/useful charge to use. When Maglite released their MagCharger, the ratio to charging vs, use was 16 hours of charging for one hour of use. Even back in the day, that was a terrible ratio! Unless you've got a roof full of solar panels, solar charging is worse than a MagCharger! It's just not viable in other forms.

Put them on the roof of your car and drive around? Maybe in the Summer if you live in a tropical place that gets more sun than rain, after a full week of bright sunny days.... You might get enough of a charge from those car-roof panels to run the A/C for an hour.
 

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No amount of solar panels in a car can make enough power to even turn ac compressor, maybe a small fan, but definitely not an AC compressor
 
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