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Re: Hotlips w Magic Resistor constant current circ

For what it's worth, I popped the tailcap of my Space Needle II and took some measurements of current with my DMM. Roughly speaking, and with partially used cells, I was reading 1.1A.

Now if Hotbeam can get us some 5-watters as good as the one in my SNII (nudge, nudge /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ), his light at 1.5A ought to be very special indeed. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Hotbeam, I'm having another thought as to the mysterious runtime graph for the L91 cells. It may be that one of the 6 cells was weaker than the others (happens sometimes, I know I've heard of it with 123's), quickly died, and for the remaining time the other 5 cells drove the light.
 
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milkyspit: 1.1A on the SNII... good current reading /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif What LS is on your SNII? The dodgy L91 *could* be a problem. Though I did measure the each L91 before starting the runtime and the total unloaded voltage was 10.62V. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif On the point of changing the current of the MR Hotlips TK, Burnt advises that the best way is to measure the voltage across the sense resistor and numerically calculating the current value, instead of the physical method of desoldering, disconnecting connector pins, etc... Burnt does not want to introduce additional resistances to this highly efficient circuit!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Also this way, the circuit stays nice and tidy /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
 
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hotbeam: I have no idea what LS is in my SNII; how can I find out without removing it from the light? I don't mind unscrewing the flashlight's head, but I really don't want to disturb the LS itself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif

Regarding your suggestion about measuring current on MR Hotlips TK, as long as I know where the sense resistor is as well as its value -- and as long as the current through that resistor matches the current flowing through the LS -- then that approach sounds fine. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Hotbeam - I'd like to get the MR hotlips turnkey if you are going to make more of these. I want it without the epoxy for future adjustment (1.5 amp to start is fine). Also put me down for a MR w/hotlips for my own mods, also without epoxy. I may try to stuff that in my old 6C mag.
Do you have a total price? I can paypal the money any time.
RussH
 
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hotbeam said:
Note: This curcuit will use top shelf components. Eg. The on-resistance for the FET is 0.0028R (!!) and sense resistor is 0.015R (!!). When the battery voltage is ~ the LED voltage, it is in-effect direct driving !!!




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Hotbeam, I'm guessing that you have a typo here and meant .028R [ohms] not .0028R. It would be hard to justify the added expense of .0028R when the sense resistor is .015R.
Carry on, this looks like an interesting endeavour [non-US spelling just for you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ]
 
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IIRC, all SN II's used the W3W binned LS's.

Question, is the epoxy *just* to hold the MR circuit in place, or does it accomplish some thermal management also?

I believe that either way, I would like my MR Hotlips without epoxy for ease in possible future changes. Thanks.

BTW, I may also be interested in one or two bare hotlips heatsinks (or even a Hotlips C as well), will there be enough, or do I need to order them now? What about payment?

*edit* OK, made the decision. I want one bare std. Hotlips heatsink, and one Hotlips "C" heatsink (for newer C OA bodies) in addition to the MR Hotlips. When should I pay, and how much if this is all shipped together? Do I get the discounted prices on the two bare heatsinks since I'm already getting a MR Hotlips?
 
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RussH: Thank you for the pre-order /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Sorry, I don't have further details apart from what has been posted above. Will keep you informed through this thread. **EDIT. Also please note the comment about having no epoxy between the circuit and the Hotlips. The FET is also an electrically sensitive component so you will need to ground yourself before touching it. (Sorry for the simple statement).

DougS: The figures are in fact correct /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif FET = 2.8mR (0.0028R), sense resistor = 15mR (0.015R). Yes, the FET is marginally more expensive but in the quest for super efficiency and overkill /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif, that is what is being used.

LEDmodMan: I have a SNII with a V2T. Hasn't the SNII been around a lot longer than the availability of W3W's... even to Mr B? I may be wrong. In the MR Hotlips, yes, the epoxy is there to hold the circuit in place, within the confines of the Hotlips. Sure, if you want it with epoxy, that is possible. Please bear in mind that if the body is dropped, the circuit may be dislodged from the FET, since the FET is screwed into the Hotlips and it is the FET legs holding the 24mm circuit board in its place.

Hotlps-D is availble from this thread and Hotlips-C is yet to be conceived /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif. A decision will still need to be made as to whether a run is viable. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif No payments are required yet as the final price/availability is still up in the air. Your preorder for the Hotlips-D and C and MR Hotlips noted. Thanks. Sure, will make some concession on the total /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif when a total is available.
 
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In the MR Hotlips, yes, the epoxy is there to hold the circuit in place, within the confines of the Hotlips. Sure, if you want it with epoxy, that is possible. Please bear in mind that if the body is dropped, the circuit may be dislodged from the FET, since the FET is screwed into the Hotlips and it is the FET legs holding the 24mm circuit board in its place.


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Hotbeam, I'm getting my MR Hotlips not epoxied into the host flashlight, so I'll be able to access the adjustment pot... but as for the board itself, that WILL be epoxied to the heatsink, is that correct? Or am I horribly confused?
 
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Right on Milky /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Thanks Howard! Do you want me to note my preorder for the D and C hotlips on their respective threads also?

Again I don't want epoxy on my MR Hotlips (not sure if you understood me correctly). I will make sure the circuit is secure before using it.

Maybe I was wrong, I thought the SN II used the W bin codes and the earlier version SN (not SN II) used others. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif

BTW, an average SN II produces <font color="red">216 Lumens</font> in an integrating sphere!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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LEDmodMan... I understood you: NO epoxy for your MR Hotlips /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. If you wouldn't mind just sticking your name on the appropriate threads re the Hotlips-D and C, that would save me a lot of time /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif later. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif on the SNIIs. Anyway....
 
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I have the following OA2D bodies coming for the MR Hotlips TK - a 6AA 5w constant current turnkey unit with direct drive mode LED indicator (DDI) built onto a Hotlips-D heatsink (sorry for the long name, will work out a concise name soon /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif). Please advise what colours, in order of preference, you would like.

Black
Silver
Green ***EDIT, Green NLA
Red
Blue
 
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Hotbeam, here are my colors in order of preference:

Black (by far my #1 preference!)
Silver
Blue
Green
Red
 
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I am interested in a prebuilt 2D M*g with a 5 watter, hotlips, and the magic resistor. I would like it to be geared to be as bright as possible.
 
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Attention my fellow hotlippers! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif After painstaking R&D in my state-of-the-art labs (okay, more like grabbing a 2D flashlight from the kitchen cabinet and trying to cram a bunch of CR123A's into it /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ), I think I've identified the most cost-effective throwaway power source for the MR Hotlips TK. The plan is to slide TWO columns of three CR123A's into the battery tube... in other words, 2x3xCR123A. This should provide an estimated runtime of 1 hour 44 minutes at a cost of $2.60 per hour when CR123A unit cost is $0.75 each (Countycomm is selling Tekcells for this price in lots of 100).

Six months ago I probably would have been all over those Energizer L91 lithium AA cells -- they've been personal favorites for a long time, and for those lucky enough to get a MR Hotlips TK directly from Hotbeam, he'll reportedly be loading them with these cells for an estimated 1 hour 56 minutes runtime right out of the box! Very sweet. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif In recent months, though, the CR123A prices have been dropping like crazy, to the point that these little guys are now the lowest-priced power source available, short of rechargeables. In the 2x3 arrangement, they approach the runtime of the L91 cells, too, all the more so because the parallel arrangement should meet the high current flow demands of MR Hotlips TK better than a single stack o' batteries would, making the whole arrangement more efficient. For reference, Energizer L91 cells cost about $2 each at BatteryStation.

On the rechargeable front, as stated before, 2x2xPila 150s would probably be the best option in terms of runtime, with this arrangement providing an estimated 1 hour 20 minutes of juice. Actually, NiMH cells theoretically should do just about as well, with 2100mAh capacity NiMH cells offering an estimated 1 hour 24 minutes. However, Hotbeam's graph (several posts prior to this one) shows NiMH providing significantly shorter runtime than calculated here. There could be two reasons for this. First, Hotbeam's NiMH cells might have been lower capacity than 2100mAh. Second, the fact that it's a single stack of batteries means they were expected to provide 1.5A of current, which might have stressed the cells and made them less efficient than they theoretically should be. (High current draw does that to batteries.) The Pila Li-Ion cells probably won't have this problem because just as in the CR123A example above, these also will be running in two parallel stacks, reducing current demands on the cells.

Finally, for those who'll need light for a long time, the SAFT LSH-20 lithium D cells would provide runtime of an estimated 8 hours 40 minutes. Holy electrons, Batman! There is a price to be paid for this, though, literally: $5.54 per hour of runtime, which is a bit cheaper than the per-hour cost of the Energizer L91 cells but more than double the cost of CR123As.

So there it is! Now one of my little projects will involve fashioning some sort of quickie battery tube adapter for 2x3xCR123A use in the MR Hotlips TK. Stay tuned! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif
 
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BTW, just to clarify, there are V2T SNII's. I was wrong, gee imagine that... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon3.gif
 
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jdriller: Thanks and noted.

pi_is_blue: Thanks for your pre-order. 1.5A is what we are running from the "factory". I think that is plenty of light already. Having said that, we have done tests at 2A and that has worked fine, ie. no blown LED. However, the increase in drive does not give as much increase in brightness (proportionately to current) and reduces runtime. You are free to tinkle but BE WARNED of the consequences /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

milky: 2 sets of 3x123s... hmmm good idea. Colour choice also noted.

LEDmodMan: /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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I would like it driven at 1.5A. No need to get too greedy for more light! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif
 
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