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Re: Hotlips w Magic Resistor constant current circ

Milkyspit,

Your battery research is informative. It helps show that if you want power you've got to have a power source capable of providing that power. It also shows there is a cost. You obviously also understand that "X" lumens per watt, the more lumens you want, the more power you will need. Your research has also shown why it was important, for me at least, that this project be able to successfully run on, and be able to drain rechargeables both effectively and efficiently, yet be able to use any other primary cell technology when in a pinch. I use my torch for half an hour+ per night, every night, during winter when walking the dog. So far I've clocked up over 60 hours of torch usage this winter and there's more to come.

Your comments re amp-hour of battery vs actual - Hotbeam I believe was using 2AH made in China for the tests (what one sacrifices when in a pinch). They are therefore to be taken very conservatively and you will perhaps get better times with better brands. Additionally, most manufacturers of small AH batteries rate their AH capacity based on small current discharge values such as 20mA. The actual AH rates at higher currents will be much less, the difference being affected by the brand.

It was a tough decision which way to go for a regulator, but as soon to be released efficiencies will show, especially when using NiMH's, it did extremely well. You'll be impressed!

It is clear that for such power, and allowing for good runtimes, there is a trade-off - the size of the torch. It needs to be capable of holding cells of large energy capacity. A 2D is a good choice for this need.

All in all, you'll be impressed. It's a torch capable of being used as a real torch, not just a show-off item to blind friends intended to be run cautiously for just a few minutes for fear of overheating the LED or your draining primary cells (expensive by your $/hr numbers). It will be VERY bright, robust, well built, efficient, capable of very useable runtimes as a few examples have been shown, capable of running of readily available AA cells of multiple technologies and of course blindingly bright.

Pi_is_blue,

If you want more than 1.5A I recommend NiMH's (or a milkyspit 2 X 3 X 123's holder cartridge?). I hammered mine at 2A and it was ok (of course there were reduced runtimes). You could also go more current and basicaly use the regulator to act merely as a current limiting device, perhaps set to 3A, to prevent the often heard of blowing of the LED when using NiMH's, especially when hot off the charger. Remember, you can always adjust it up anyway if this is the option you choose, but it'll be at your own risk. Just let Hotbeam know you want NO epoxy of Hotlips to Mag body and you can gain access to the pot.

Chris
 
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Hotbeam: Re: PM - I can not afford any "niceities" at this time due to recent drain in money (hitting a deer, lawyers, & college). /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Maybe by the next time you come out with a new "hot" item I'll be able to splurge. Thanks for the follow up though.
 
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Burnt, Very nice to hear from you, and thanks for the kind words. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The battery life issue is important to me, and I admittedly have a bias against NiMH, though I admit it's purely personal. Li-Ion is of interest, and the 2x3x123 adapter cartridge (which I really do hope to make) would conveniently allow use of primary AND Pila 150S cells. I like the versatility of power source with this light, and am looking forward to your handiwork. Just wish we could find a way to get 3+ hours of regulated light out of the thing! (That is, 3+ hours without resorting to exotic cells that cost lots per feeding and are only available in a few places.)

We almost need someone to design a custom Li-Ion insert to fill the entire battery tube, and thereby achieve the maximal possibly capacity. Bet we could hit the 3 hour mark with that!

And an inductive charger, where you slide the flashlight into a charging sleeve without actually plugging anything into the charger, would be fantastic! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif My Sonicare toothbrush does it; I'd love to see that happen with this flashlight as well. Maybe someday...

One final thought: I could also see a variation of this project fitting a MR Hotlips module into a waterproof 6V lantern -- the kind with the lantern battery, carry handle and HUGE reflector -- as a super powerful area light which also provides long throw! A quick estimate of the capacity of those lantern batteries makes it seem we could run your circuit for something like 16 hours in the big guy, and operating cost would probably fall under $1 per hour... MR BigLips anyone? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif
 
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Isaac That is fine. Accidents happen. Keep an eye on this thread to see where it goes though.. you may need to bite the bullet /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bunt Cool

Milky Keep it up! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Milkyspit,

I can understand your bias away from NiMH's, but for daily runtimes of >30 mins (mine) they are the choice for $ reasons. If you use the torch less frequently or a very long single runtime then they are obviously not the choice due to self discharge and capacity compared to lithium technology. That's not a problem however as you can pack whatever cell technology into this as you want so it meets your needs.

Three hours at 1.5A would indeed be nice, we just need to be able to pack enough fuel in the body of the torch to do so. At this point in technology Li-Ions would definitely be the way to go and the 2D form of the torch should give a big enough tank to hold the required power. Unfortunately Li-Ions have only relatively recently been available is standard cell sizes rather that custom (read expensive) battery packs for cameras, camcorders etc. I have only seen AA's here in Oz, but even those are rare here and so too are chargers for Li-Ion AA's etc. Perhaps if someone with Li-Ion experience in US (and someone did mention these in an earlier response, just can't remember the name) can tee up a visit with a purchaser of this torch over in US then the answers can be had about Li-Ion performance. It should be a winner.

I've thought about the lantern LED too. Unfortunately I can't justify the LED cost vs use I use a lantern torch for. If you do ever try one, post the results. It'd be nice to know how well it performs. If I was a tad younger and still going out campng almost every weekend up the bush then I'd do it.

Chris
 
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Sooo... Milky, is someone building a 2D carrier for 6x123/4x150's? That sounds great if possible and would be wonderfully versatile. If possible, I plan on using this yet to be built carrier for 4x150's. I don't use this kind of light daily, but when I do it's for a more extended period than 30+ mins.

Hotbeam, you have my color preferences "on file".
 
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Burnt, To go off-topic for a moment, I'll bet there are some great places to camp, er, "down under!" /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I've wanted to visit Australia for a long time and probably will eventually. Among other things, I'd like to take a ride on one of those trains that cross the outback! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyway, I'm glad you're not too old to be designing nifty circuits like this. Many thanks. (And you must have the coolest dog-walking flashlight in the neighborhood, eh? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

Phaserburn, What the heck, I'll build a 6x123 adapter. Maybe even a few of 'em. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif The disclaimer is that I am not a machinist, so I'll be scavenging for parts in my local Home Depot, and the result may not be pretty... but it ought to work nicely. Please pester me about it once the lights arrive, if I haven't reported any progress by then.

Seriously! Sometimes I need a "friendly reminder." /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

In the meantime, you might want to order one of the 3x123 adapter tubes ("CR123 Battery holder, for 2 'D' cell flashlight") from Elektrolumens' online store. They're pretty inexpensive ($6!) and well-made, although of course you'll only be able to run MR Hotlips TK at perhaps 50 minutes per feeding. Hopefully, though, that will tide you over until I finish my own adapter.
 
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Milky,

I already have the EL 2D adapter, and was planning on running with the 2x150 config until otherwise provided! Thanks, sounds great for either 6x123 or 4x150. I will indeed be reminding in a "friendly" way! Once a flashaholic has been baited with promises of increased runtime at 1.5A...!

Just spent a vacation week in NJ; Riverdale to Atlantic City, Wildwood and then over to New Hope, PA for the Sesame Place experience for my 5 year old son (an Elmo fan).
 
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Phaserburn, Hope you enjoyed the vacation. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I took my wife to New Hope when we were dating; very nice town for walking around, and some neat little shops! Wildwood used to be an annual trip for my family when I was a boy. Still haven't been to Atlantic City. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/icon15.gif

I just ordered a couple more EL 2D adapters to tide me over until my own adapter is finished.

Wish I knew a sympathetic machinist! (Anyone reading this? Hint, hint...) /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Yes, New Hope is nice. Atlantic City is an "experience", so to speak. I actually prefer Vegas, of course. Also, the casinos up here in Connecticut (Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun) are very cool and well done. I'm not much of a gambler, but for people watching... Where in NJ are you? Just drove across your state last night up 287 North to the Tappan Zee bridge.

Hotbeam, do you have a way of building this adapter? You asked me (sort of offered) about that in your message. Maybe save Milky all those trips to Home Depot?
 
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Milky,

There are indeed many great places to camp. You could camp a different place each night and still run out of life before you've see it all. I wouldn't recommend a train trip through the outback though. It's really flat for miles and miles with nothing much happening. You'll fall asleep after the first few hours. Best get a car and visit every town you can. It'll trip you out, especially if you are from a large city!.

Chris
 
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Please add me to your list for a turnkey. Black, 1.5A, not epoxied.
 
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Phaserburn, I'm in a tiny little town called Califon, which is basically in the middle of nowhere in the northwest quadrant of the state. Lots of cows and cornfields out here, despite the ever-threatening spector of development. Hope it stays, er, "unbuilt" for a while, so to speak. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Heck, let me know if you'll be in the vicinity sometime, and bring a bunch of flashlights. We could do some show and tell over a cookout or something! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Not that I expect you to know these people, but we have some good friends who live in Old Greenwich, and we'll be trying to plan a weekend visit to their house sometime in the next month or so.

Hotster /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif , Much as I love browsing around big hardware stores, it would be fantastic if the 2x3x123 adapter could get done in a little more professional manner. I haven't bothered you with the request because I imagine you've kept plenty busy with MR Hotlips TK, plus I might try to beg your help on part of my Milky Candle project.

So I won't formally ask you to help with the 2x3x123 adapter. If, however, you wanted to help with it of your own accord, I have a simple design in mind that you could probably whip together with minimal fuss. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif

Speaking hypothetically, of course. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Thermal solution Hotlips to Mag.

Hotbeam is producing a premium product here and given the number of TK's requested without AS epoxy between Hotlips and the Mag another solution had to be found. It wasn't good enough for me to see kitchen foil used in such a premium product for those that preferred not to have AS applied, nor was it acceptable to compromise thermal conductivity. Remember, at 1.5A you'll be pumpin' that LED with 10W and the heat needs to transferred to atmosphere.

Well, we have the perfect thermal solution. Each TK and MR Hotlips product will be shipped with a length of highly thermally conductive silicone impregnated material, specifically designed to conduct heat. This is the real stuff! It'll provide the required thermal conductivity between the Hotlips and Mag body. It is intended to wrap around the Hotlips (single turn)then the assembly slid into the Mag body.

Note, the thickness chosen is such that it is a tight fit to ensure maximum thermal conductivity. This is of primary importance. Though the Hotlips can be prised off, ever so sloooowly, I wouldn't recommend you do it often as you may break the lip on the hotlips. I've removed mine mine 4 times and the lip is looking a little second hand. My Hotlips has have chapped lips!

Hotbeam will be responding to all order and possible future project builds (batteries etc) requests as he gets the chance.

Chris
 
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Burnt, that sounds fantastic! How long is the length of silicone? Do you have a picture?
 
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as far as the lips, the next run will be designed with thicker ones /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (think angelina jolie /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif)
 
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hands where i can see 'em! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twakfl.gif
 
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She had quite a nice cover shot on Rolling Stone mag recently... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif
 
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phaser: I think it is better if I leave the 2 x 123 building
to Milky. I should concentrate on the MR Hotlips TK /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. See also below.

Starlight: Thank you for your pre-order. Please watch this post
for updates. It should be ready in shortly.

Milky: Talk to me more about the 2 x 123 in a couple of weeks.

Burnt: Very good /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. That stuff will work wonders and still allow the
Hotlips to be removed. Yeah, new Hotlips will have Jollie lips /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Roth: Ha ha /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Enjoying the yummy food on holidays at the moment. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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