My beautiful HDS mod by milkyspit, using a Seoul emitter!

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This post is a "work in progress", with details added as they become available. For now, I would like to inform those of you with HDS lights having poor runtimes that you can give new life to your light by having it modded with a Seoul Semiconductor "U" flux binned P4 emitter. I highly recommend my modder, fellow CPF member milkyspit (Scott), for this task. His emphasis on detail, accuracy, and quality are to be commended, evident by the sterling condition of my light after the mod.....no dust inside the lens, no dust on the reflector, and no dust on the emitter's "gummy" dome. Almost "clean room clean!" The mod is a simple emitter swap without the need for light module removal, and turnaround time is usually one day. PM milkyspit for details!

For those who have not visited the www.novatac.com website today, there has been an update. The revised release date is now April/May 2007. This is a long way from January 31st......today's date. I am mentioning this to suggest that you do not have to wait 4 months for the next NovaTac light (??) in order to make your present underachieving light a 120lm (or so) powerhouse. In the case of those lights with inefficient emitters not easily yielding the outputs that are "model specific", Henry had to increase the power supply in order to rate his lights at 42, 60 and 85 lumens. In theory, the lower the runtime of a light the greater the improvement in output. This occurs because the power provided to the emitter will be better utilized by an efficient Seoul emitter, will maintain the same runtime as the stock emitter, and will generate the same heat as the stock emitter. In other words, more light will be produced without any negative consequences!


My impression of the modded light's "visual" characteristics:
The tint is barely a cool white. The beam pattern has no artifacts, no rings, no square die projections and no "angelic halos." The hotspot blends into the sidespill very smoothly, and the output of my U60 light went from 60lm to what I believe to be at least 120lm. I am pretty sure that it has not reached the next progression in output based on Henry's "visually even" level increase factor, which would be 170lm! Note that HDS light levels increase at the rate of the square root of 2 (1.414) from one level to the next one. This is why we have seen lights with 42lm, 60lm and 85lm levels, and most recently with 120lm as showcased at the Shot Show. Although I am disappointed that my light did not reach 170lm, the difference between my older U60 and my modded U60 is visually striking. It is a most impressive improvement.

How I plan to determine the output of my modded light:
Some of you may be thinking out loud "what is the output of luxlover's newly modded light?" To this, I give an answer to which I welcome comments. I plan on determining the output of my light with the use of my older U60, the modded light and a Meterman LM-631 luxmeter. If it would be proper to assume that my existing U60 is indeed a 60lm light, then I can use that light as a benchmark to determine the output of my modded light. My plan to accomplish this is as follows:
1. Assume that my light is 60lm, with a rating tolerance by Henry of plus or minus 5%. This means that my light could be anywhere from 57lm to 63lm. In reality, it wouldn't matter since the brain cannot easily detect such small variations anyway! So for the sake of simplicity, I will trust that my light is producing 60lm and use that value in my calculations.
2. To generate consistent luxmeter results, I will have to create a fixture that will be able to aim each light, one at a time, at the luxmeter's pickup in such a way that whatever portion of overall light output will be absorbed by the pickup will be consistent from one light to the other. This will not be a problem, since both lights have stock HDS reflectors, which means that the distribution of hotspot and sidespill will be identical. Note that if the modded light's output is so great that it overloads the meter, I will have to move it further back from the pickup until I can get a reading. I reserve the right to select the distance from the pickup, because my test is designed to get a reading of how much light is reaching the pickup. The result will be "relative" based on the distance from the pickup, and it will not represent an "absolute" value as it would if I had placed the light at the industry standard distance of one meter.
3. I was thinking of devising a setup where I would place each light inside a short piece of pvc tubing (or equivalent), and place the tubing directly against the pickup so as to take all light reflected off the inner walls of the tubing and have it absorbed by the pickup.
4. By recording the luxmeter's reading of the U60, doing the same with the modded light, and then using simple algebra to calculate the increase, I will get pretty close to the lumen output of the modded light. The key to the success of this experiment is to make very sure that each light is positioned in the exact same position from the luxmeter's pickup. Even if all the output of each light is not absorbed by the pickup, I can reach an accurate lumen determination if both lights are positioned exactly the same way.
5. To avoid confusion, I am going to give an example of a possible test outcome......
Once I determine the distance at which the modded light will not overload the luxmeter, and take a reading, I will place the U60 light at that same position and take a reading. Let's say that the modded light yields a reading of 12,000 lux, and the U60 yields a reading of 6,000 lux. If the modded light is yielding a lux reading twice as much as the U60, then it is a logical conclusion that the modded light has a 120lm output.

I welcome any comments, in favor of or against my testing methodology.

Jeff


 
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Hey, i did the seul upgrade to my HDS as well. It sure is bright, more than 120 lumens.

How did i come to this? Well I had 2 U60's and compared them to a HD45. That is both U60's table standing V's 1 HD45 doing the cealing bounce test in the smallest room in the house. The result was the HD45 was visualy brighter than both U60's on max.The

I then swapped the emitter in one of the U60's then went back to that small room to ponder the diference. Now the Seul U60 is a hair duller than the HD45..... so its +120Lumens :)


Wooot!
 
They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. Without pics it appears to be true. :grin2:

I'll take "The Encyclopedia Brittanica for $300, Jim"...
 
:hahaha:This is important stuff, luxlover.

Would you consider editing your signature red text so my eyes don't bleed while I'm trying to read this? I'm trying to use a little humor in this request. That humor may be easily lost?

THX
 
The reflectors in the two lights may be identical, but the emmision patterns may not be exactly the same. But if they look close enough to you, then it really doesn't make much difference. The only way to really tell short of an IS would be some sort of lightbox setup.
 
Well thanks for sharing. looking forward more info and maybe even photos. If I had two HDS lights I'd jump all over it. Having only one at present, there's a part of me that wants it to stay original. Still, it's tempting, and Milky's reputation is great.

A while back there was a CPFer and flashlight maker that was kind enough to let members send in some lights for rating on an I.S. If it ever happens again, I'd love to see your mod rated. :drool:
 
Then the mod was a simple emitter swap?Even no elevating of the emitter necessary?Sounds like good news to me.Do you have no donut hole?
Asking because I have Seouls on the way for my U60.

Greetz Alex
 
No raising the emitter in this one as the only part that shows through the reflector is the emitter dome.

I sanded abour 0.7mm from the back of the reflector. Without doing that the light was very floody. Now it has a nice intense hotspot with a gradual transition to spill..

Sorry about no photo's, no digicam :( tho i could use the one in my phone if you dont mind crudy quality.
 
Luxlover, thank's for the info.

Do you fell much more heat than before ? Did it change something in the thermal limititing feature ?
 
pcmike said:
Forget the text, let's see pictures. It's 1am, no way I'm reading all that.... ;)
Mikey,
If you mean beamshots showing roughly twice the output, I am not sure if that will tell you anything. Regardless, I will be taking beamshots of other lights soon and I can "squeeze in" two more showing two white lights against a white wall, one being much brighter than the other. If you like looking at "virtual white tints", you will have them.

As for the text being so long and you nodding off.....get some rest man, and read it tomorrow. I will make sure that it is there waiting for you! :laughing: It will be worth your while. The details of this project cannot be related in a paragraph or two! :whistle: That is why it is the length of a short novel.

Jeff
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Icebreak said:
:hahaha:This is important stuff, luxlover.

Would you consider editing your signature red text so my eyes don't bleed while I'm trying to read this? I'm trying to use a little humor in this request. That humor may be easily lost?

THX
I am glad that you acknowledge the true potential of my project, which I hope will motivate some of you to improve your lights before NovaTac's so called April/May release date.

Humor NOT easily lost, Sir. You know me to keep changing the color of my text when I get tired of looking at it, so that I can readily see my posts in a thread when quickly scrolling up or down. I hate "all black" posts. The former color was a brown derivative, not red. Are you sure that your eyeballs are in the proper socket.....i.e. right one in the right socket, and left one in the left socket? :crackup:

How is this blue color on your ocular blood flow? :popcorn:

Jeff


 
majr said:
The reflectors in the two lights may be identical, but the emission patterns may not be exactly the same. But if they look close enough to you, then it really doesn't make much difference. The only way to really tell short of an IS, would be some sort of lightbox setup.
Understood majr! The patterns look close enough, although the modded light has a smaller diameter hotspot.
Funny you should mention it! :popcorn: My cpf buddy jtr1962 and I will be working on a lightbox using a 96 oz. Florida Natural Orange Juice container for "the box." It is pure white inside, and doesn't have the translucent strip under the handle to show remaining liquid level, as does the container used by Tropicana. It looks like a good host for the project. One hole needs to be bored in the side, for either the meter pickup or a light.



 
luxlover said:
My cpf buddy jtr1962 and I will be working on a lightbox using a 96 oz. Florida Natural Orange Juice container for "the box." It is pure white inside, and doesn't have the translucent strip under the handle to show remaining liquid level, as does the container used by Tropicana. It looks like a good host for the project. One hole needs to be bored in the side, for either the meter pickup or a light.

It will be home, sweet home for the Orange Peel reflectors :laughing:
 
TorchMan said:
Well thanks for sharing. looking forward more info and maybe even photos. If I had two HDS lights I'd jump all over it. Having only one at present, there's a part of me that wants it to stay original. Still, it's tempting, and Milky's reputation is great.

A while back there was a CPFer and flashlight maker that was kind enough to let members send in some lights for rating on an I.S. If it ever happens again, I'd love to see your mod rated. :drool:
Torch,
I quite understand you wanting your light to remain "a virgin." :laughing: It is a "one of a kind", never to be available again. Scott will be there if you change your mind. With every mod he completes, he gets the procedural part to be more accurate. Fortunately, the Seoul is just dropped into the heatsink bore where the Luxeon used to be. How about this shot of the front end, showing how perfectly the Seoul emitter sits within the reflector opening? It centers more perfectly than any Luxeon I have seen in any HDS light!

seoulemitterwithinanHDSreflector.jpg






 
boef800 said:
Then the mod was a simple emitter swap? Even no elevating of the emitter necessary?Sounds like good news to me.Do you have no donut hole?
Asking because I have Seouls on the way for my U60.

Greetz Alex
Guten morgen Alex,
Correct, an even swap with no need to modify the reflector!

Regarding a donut hole after a Seoul modded HDS light......"what's a donut hole?" :naughty:

I have never had a near death experience. But I think that when people claim that they have, they experienced the same white purity and visual perfection as I do when looking at my Seoul-mated HDS light! :laughing: Sounds good, huh?


 
Esthan said:
It will be home, sweet home for the Orange Peel reflectors. :laughing:
Esthan,
Just to make it clear, the stock mirror polished HDS reflector is retained as part of a Seoul-mate mod. :grin2: Therefore, it is time for your orange peel reflectors to be placed in a retirement community! :naughty:

Jeff


 
boef800 said:
wow,cool.thanks for the info.how much more you would say the output has become?doubled?
Steve,
At the very least.....doubled! You may ask why I make this claim?

OK, first I took my U60 and set the four default brightness levels to 60, 42, 30, and 21 lumens. This was to see what levels on the modded light compare to those on the U60. Next, I did the same with the modded light. This was to see how many levels above the U60's 60lm level I could achieve after finding the 60lm level on the modded light.

I very much believe that through white wall and ceiling bounce testing, after I find the 60lm level on the modded light, I have two more levels before I reach it's maximum level. Since we all know that every two level increase on any HDS light represents a doubling of "perceived" output, this would place the modded light's maximum level at a minimum of 120lm (60 to 85 to 120). Of course, I was hoping that I was able to bump it up three levels to get to maximum.......and THAT would represent at least a 170lm output (60 to 85 to 120 to 170). That was not the case. Therefore, I am sure that my light is producing anywhere from 120lm to something less than 170lm. It is probably closer to 120 than to 170. I welcome comments challenging my logic.....

Once again, I feel the need to remind ALL OF YOU that the 120lm level will not always be achieved with this mod. Your light must have a lousy runtime to benefit from it. The worse the runtime, the better the gain! Also note that XR lights will benefit the least from such a mod, because the difference between the efficiency of the stock Luxeon emitter and that of the Seoul emitter will be similar. We have all seen a few overachiever XR lights with long runtimes. My feeling is if one cannot get a light to produce a 120lm level after a Seoul-mate mod, a level claimed by NovaTac to be attainable in their next lights based on milkyspit's conversations at the Shot Show, then a Seoul-mate mod is not cost effective for every HDS light owner! Having Scott do a mod is much cheaper than buying a $150 NovaTac light in April, May,......or whenever! :popcorn: If interested, pm milkyspit for prices and timeframes. For the record, I am NOT in business with milkyspit, and I get no remuneration for my plugs on CPF.

Jeff


 
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