I have a problem with my neighbors cat. It always defecates in my yard, and tears up the window screens. I've tried to reason with its owner, and even warned her that I'd be considering deterrent measures against her cat, but to no avail. So here's the question. I've been looking at various ClassIIIB lasers, and it seems that a 80mW might do the trick. Don't get me wrong, I don't wnt to kill the animal at all. I just want to condition the animal to stop its behaviour. Whats the best laser to buy for these purposes? Will an 80mW from wickedlasers do, or do I need to step it up? Thanks your ya'lls advice in advance. And just for reference, the cat is a longhaired, dark gray cat.
Need help on what power LASER to get
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Why would lasering a dog be any better than lasering a cat, especially when I don't have a problem with any of my neighbors' dogs. I think that would be even worse. Besides, on wickedlasers.com they say "The beam is so bright that it is often referred to as the "Light Saber." This is perfect for bird control..." for the 60mW laser. How is this any different?
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Kingjamez said:
Don't go shooting it with a laser and defaming our already tarnished lasing name. The last thing you should do is buy and use a laser illegally. May I suggest a dog.
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Welcome KingJames! This is a superb first post! I could not of said it better myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/happy14.gif
Also welcome to you too Marv008, but we do not approve of lasing animals full stop, or any other illegal activities. The laser enthusists reputation has been severly tarnished over the last few months.
I'll suggest <1mw keychain red laser, and just make the cat chase it back over the fence.
Kingjamez said:
Don't go shooting it with a laser and defaming our already tarnished lasing name. The last thing you should do is buy and use a laser illegally. May I suggest a dog.
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Welcome KingJames! This is a superb first post! I could not of said it better myself. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/happy14.gif
Also welcome to you too Marv008, but we do not approve of lasing animals full stop, or any other illegal activities. The laser enthusists reputation has been severly tarnished over the last few months.
I'll suggest <1mw keychain red laser, and just make the cat chase it back over the fence.
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I think marv8000 is just trying to cause trouble. Would the moderators please PM me his IP so I can block it from our site to make any buys. Like King said, the last thing we need is another bloke using a laser like a fool.
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Marv8000,
I think he was suggesting getting a dog for yourself to keep the cat out of your yard. At this point in time you don't want to bring any negative attention to those that own and collect lasers.
If you call you animal control they will in most cases bring you a live trap for you to set in your yard and catch the offender. Animal control will then come out and take the cat and usually cite the owner.
Of course there is also the high powered pellet gun route...
KS
I think he was suggesting getting a dog for yourself to keep the cat out of your yard. At this point in time you don't want to bring any negative attention to those that own and collect lasers.
If you call you animal control they will in most cases bring you a live trap for you to set in your yard and catch the offender. Animal control will then come out and take the cat and usually cite the owner.
Of course there is also the high powered pellet gun route...
KS
Geeze people, why all the trouble??? I'm just looking for some advice. Sorry if I offended anyone. You people seem as I am gonna go kill some poor womans pet. I wouldn't do that. My Sig Sauer P229 would be much more effective and cheaper. I'm just looking for a humane alternative. I already stated that I want to condition the cat to stop its behavior. If I do what dafiend suggests, I'll only condition the cat to come over to my yard and play "Chase the red dot".
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Of course there is also the high powered pellet gun route...
KS
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Hey, don't tarnish the name of my other hobby either! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But in complete seriousness, not only do lasers not need more bad media, I don't really see why you would want to use a laser for this anyway. Put up a fence or something or if it is really that bad, call animal control as KeyserSoze said. Besides, blinding the cat- which you would probably do with a 80mW laser even if you didn't intend to- isn't exactly humane.
I don't think this thread needs to be locked, although I wouldn't be surprised if it was, because as the mods can see, every reply is an attempt to dissuade marv8000 from using lasers offensively or illegally. We are all promoting safety here.
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Of course there is also the high powered pellet gun route...
KS
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Hey, don't tarnish the name of my other hobby either! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But in complete seriousness, not only do lasers not need more bad media, I don't really see why you would want to use a laser for this anyway. Put up a fence or something or if it is really that bad, call animal control as KeyserSoze said. Besides, blinding the cat- which you would probably do with a 80mW laser even if you didn't intend to- isn't exactly humane.
I don't think this thread needs to be locked, although I wouldn't be surprised if it was, because as the mods can see, every reply is an attempt to dissuade marv8000 from using lasers offensively or illegally. We are all promoting safety here.
kongfuchicken
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Sorry you had to start here. Laser misuse isn't what everyone wants to hear about with all that's been going on these days.
I think it's pretty obvious that using a laser isn't the solution. Even if it might work (and frankely, I don't expect someone here to know if it does), it's not what you're looking for.
For the price of a 80mW laser, you can build a fence arround your place or simply go talk to your neighbors again with a pie and a smile... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif
I won't be arrogant enought to say I know anything about your situation but from my experience I can tell you that a bit of diplomatic thinking can make all the difference in the world.
PS: Welcome to CPF! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I think it's pretty obvious that using a laser isn't the solution. Even if it might work (and frankely, I don't expect someone here to know if it does), it's not what you're looking for.
For the price of a 80mW laser, you can build a fence arround your place or simply go talk to your neighbors again with a pie and a smile... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif
I won't be arrogant enought to say I know anything about your situation but from my experience I can tell you that a bit of diplomatic thinking can make all the difference in the world.
PS: Welcome to CPF! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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KeyserSoze said:
Of course there is also the high powered pellet gun route...
KS
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Hey, don't tarnish the name of my other hobby either! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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There is nothing wrong with the proper application of a .22 Kodiak from a Talon SS properly moderated or the same from a
MAC1 LD1 MKII. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif I need to get some less expensive hobbies.
KS
SpyderUrT said:
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KeyserSoze said:
Of course there is also the high powered pellet gun route...
KS
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Hey, don't tarnish the name of my other hobby either! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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There is nothing wrong with the proper application of a .22 Kodiak from a Talon SS properly moderated or the same from a
MAC1 LD1 MKII. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grinser2.gif I need to get some less expensive hobbies.
KS
Okay, I'm convinces not to laser the cat with an 80mW, but getting a dog is not a viable option because I'm not home enough. I was considering mace, but I think thats kind of cruel. I just was reading on wickedlasers.com about it being a bird deterrent and made a natural and logical leap to the cat. Maybe 80mW is too much, but thats exactly the point of my question here people. I'm not here to cause trouble, just get advice. So far, I'm hearing a lot of hostility towards my idea of using an 80mW. Just calm down people.. I won't do it. Thanks for the advice. Look, I don't want to spend any more money than necessary, so if a 50mW, 30mW, or whatever works, just tell me. I'm just looking for advice here, and I'm sorry if I ruffled some feathers
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I think you should catch the cat by it's tail, then walk to the neighbour's door with the cat in hand hanging by the tail, then when the neighbour opens the door, slap the neighbour across the face with the cat
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I think you should catch the cat by it's tail, then walk to the neighbour's door with the cat in hand hanging by the tail, then when the neighbour opens the door, slap the neighbour across the face with the cat
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kongfuchicken
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I'm just looking for advice here[...]
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Then take this one, don't use a laser! Not a 80mW, not a 30mW; just forget about the laser thing!
marv8000 said:[...]
I'm just looking for advice here[...]
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Then take this one, don't use a laser! Not a 80mW, not a 30mW; just forget about the laser thing!
thesurefire
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If Mace is cruel then laseing something is torture, laseing a cat with that kind of Mw, could burn it, not sting it, burn it. I dont think any of us here at CPF are hostile, more of very cautious, simply because there are lots of people in the world that dont understand the consequences of lasers. A laser is a very powerful tool and should not be misused. If you think pointing at anything living (besides maybe a plant) is not misuse you should not be allowed to own any laser at all.
hank
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First:
Cats wander, the laws accept that. Cats will cross property lines. You can call Animal Control and ask them to trap a feral cat or other animal.
The cat may like you. You may not recognize this, or understand why, but cats sometimes like people for no obvious reason. If it's scratching at your door, it may well be scent-marking; it may also need its claws trimmed and have no other good scratching post. Or it may just want your attention.
Second:
If you want the cat to recognize you as a possible intelligent life form -- always wise -- use the so-called 'cat kiss" -- when you notice a cat, look to the left, show it one side of your face for a few seconds. Then look smoothly _past_ the cat, without eye contact, and show it the other side of your face for a few seconds. Then, slowly, turn your face in the direction of the cat until you make eye contact, and close your eyes for a second or two. Then ignore the cat.
The cat will almost always make exactly the same series of moves -- it says "I see you, and I am not fixated on you so I am not going to attack." And likely enough it will come over to see if you want to make friends -- if you do it will start to respect you and your property.
Third:
Cats mark with their chins. If you want the cat to leave your property alone, scratch under her chin, then rub your fingers along the margins of the yard, doors, steps, plants. The cat will not stay away -- but it will recognize anything so marked as not to be damaged.
Fourth:
Why does the cat come into your yard? Garden? Sandbox? Space the cat finds clean, fresh, unmarked by other cats and so fits exactly the kind of spot it by nature looks for?
If so, make ONE spot -- preferably next to the neighbor's property -- fit the need. The cat will go there, by preference.
Fifth:
Do you stare at the cat? If so, this is monkey curiousity, but feline challenge. Combined with any attack, it will mark you for permanent attention.
Cats always focus in on people who stare or otherwise are nervous about them and call attention to the interaction.
Does the idea of doing something other than attacking the animal seem unattractive to you? Consider: if you want a war, attack a cat. No other common city animal except crows will so readily learn that you are to be attacked, and they are not as able as humans to back down and make peace. Cats don't surrender even to one another, let alone to mere primates.
They do, however, coexist very well indeed. As I said, the cat may like you.
Sixth:
"The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned in no other way." -- Mark Twain.
Getting Started: Clicker Training for Cats
By Karen Pryor (Sunshine Books, Inc., 2001; $12.95)
Think you can't train a cat? With some patience, clicker-training expert Pryor believes that you can persuade your feline friend to learn behaviors like coming when called, staying off the dinner table and even performing tricks. Her method is based on rewards like food and attention - not punishment - so cats actually enjoy learning. Pryor writes with such clarity that beginners and seasoned cat people alike can easily follow along.
Cats wander, the laws accept that. Cats will cross property lines. You can call Animal Control and ask them to trap a feral cat or other animal.
The cat may like you. You may not recognize this, or understand why, but cats sometimes like people for no obvious reason. If it's scratching at your door, it may well be scent-marking; it may also need its claws trimmed and have no other good scratching post. Or it may just want your attention.
Second:
If you want the cat to recognize you as a possible intelligent life form -- always wise -- use the so-called 'cat kiss" -- when you notice a cat, look to the left, show it one side of your face for a few seconds. Then look smoothly _past_ the cat, without eye contact, and show it the other side of your face for a few seconds. Then, slowly, turn your face in the direction of the cat until you make eye contact, and close your eyes for a second or two. Then ignore the cat.
The cat will almost always make exactly the same series of moves -- it says "I see you, and I am not fixated on you so I am not going to attack." And likely enough it will come over to see if you want to make friends -- if you do it will start to respect you and your property.
Third:
Cats mark with their chins. If you want the cat to leave your property alone, scratch under her chin, then rub your fingers along the margins of the yard, doors, steps, plants. The cat will not stay away -- but it will recognize anything so marked as not to be damaged.
Fourth:
Why does the cat come into your yard? Garden? Sandbox? Space the cat finds clean, fresh, unmarked by other cats and so fits exactly the kind of spot it by nature looks for?
If so, make ONE spot -- preferably next to the neighbor's property -- fit the need. The cat will go there, by preference.
Fifth:
Do you stare at the cat? If so, this is monkey curiousity, but feline challenge. Combined with any attack, it will mark you for permanent attention.
Cats always focus in on people who stare or otherwise are nervous about them and call attention to the interaction.
Does the idea of doing something other than attacking the animal seem unattractive to you? Consider: if you want a war, attack a cat. No other common city animal except crows will so readily learn that you are to be attacked, and they are not as able as humans to back down and make peace. Cats don't surrender even to one another, let alone to mere primates.
They do, however, coexist very well indeed. As I said, the cat may like you.
Sixth:
"The man who carries a cat by the tail learns something that can be learned in no other way." -- Mark Twain.
Getting Started: Clicker Training for Cats
By Karen Pryor (Sunshine Books, Inc., 2001; $12.95)
Think you can't train a cat? With some patience, clicker-training expert Pryor believes that you can persuade your feline friend to learn behaviors like coming when called, staying off the dinner table and even performing tricks. Her method is based on rewards like food and attention - not punishment - so cats actually enjoy learning. Pryor writes with such clarity that beginners and seasoned cat people alike can easily follow along.
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