New AE W30 3xAA Cree Q5 Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

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Hi,
About 3 or so months ago, I heard that AE (who is well known for their great H.I.D. lights) was going to carry a led light. MattK of Batteryjunction announced they were carrying them in the Dealer's section of the Marketplace forum. I am a sucker for dive lights... especially AA versions that can take Energizer e2 lithiums. I called Batteryjunction on Monday and spoke to Jeff, who was very helpful, and I gave into temptation and had one overnighted which I received yesterday afternoon.

What impressed me about the light (at least according to AE's specs) was that finally, a there was a true dive light that ran on 3AA's that was actually bright. UK and PT make nice led AA dive lights, but they are not bright. I also liked the fact that the light would work with either Alkalines, NIMH's or Lithiums. (1.5-1.7v primaries....not 3.7v 14500's) The light is advertised as having 3-5 hours of full power burn on standard batteries (alkalines?) while producing 300 lumens. I do not see how the light can live up to that kind of runtime... but I will do those tests later. About the 300 lumen claim... it is a very bright light. I would say slightly brighter than the Fenix T1, but Just Slightly... and that's to my eyes, not a light box. But that would mean the light is putting out over 200 lumens on 3 AA batts... not too bad.

Here is are some pictures of the light and what came with it.
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It came in a simple box with 1 sheet of instructions and a set of Alkaline Batts.
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As you can see, it is a very thick (for an AA light) flashlight. It is 10 ounces in weight, but it has good balance. The lanyard stud on the end and the head of the light are both metal.
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The light twists on and off, and continued twisting will open the light to put in the batteries. Notice the thickness of the tube compared to the AA cell, and also the 3 thick O rings.
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The body has a inner aluminum tube and is surrounded by a very hard billit aluminum type of material (I think...It does not feel cool like metal, but it feels different than any other plastic I have ever felt...just harder somehow) Edit: The "very hard plastic" material over the metal battery tube is POM or Delrin used in diving for its resistance to gases and expanding or warping.
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I am astounded by how thick the metal of the head is. I forgot to take a picture of this, but I do not believe that it would be at all easy to get into the head from either end to do any kind of led mod. Also, the lens is either pyrex or some other shatterproof material.
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The light uses an optic. Its beam is designed for throw, but it has a very wide (although dim at the edges) spill beam. Think Makoff drop in or E2L Cree (on Serious steroids)
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The beam does have a couple of rings to it... but they are really mainly noticeable when white wall hunting. Not outdoors (or I would imagine underwater)

How does it compare to some other Cree lights? I took some outdoor beamshots at my work to try to give you a decent comparison.

The first shots are at 15' at basically 3/4 of a second at f/2.8 ISO 64 WB sunlight. The wall is brown.

First The Inova T1 (2008) "100 lumens"
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Next, the AE W30 "300 lumens"
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Finally, a Fenix T1 (high) "225 lumens"
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Overall, I am very impressed with the build quality of the light. The threads are very smooth. The body feels like it could survive a A-bomb explosion... or several hundred feet of water immersion. The light is just very "tank like" without being ungainly.

As to its brightness... I think it falls a little shy of the 300 mark, but I would guess it is putting out about 240, which is great for an AA light. Basically, it feels that the $230 I paid for it was justified. I bought it and like it, simply because it is not like all the other 2x123a cree lights I have bought the last couple of years. It is unique, and I look forward to putting it in the ocean hopefully this year. If you are a diver, or just someone who likes a seriously overbuilt light....that you can get batteries for anywhere... check this thing out. I think you will be happy.

I will post longer beamshots in a few minutes. Thanks for reading.
 
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Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Here are some longer beamshots.

The target couch is 15 yards away. Camera is at 1.5" f/2.8 Iso64 WB daylight

First, a control since there is some lighting from street lights.
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Next, the Inova T1
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The AE W30
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Finally, the Fenix T1 (high)
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Next, the Merrill Lynch building is a little over 50 yards away. Camera at 2" f/3.4 zoom at about 100mm

First a control
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Next, the Inova T1 (which looks pretty much like the control)
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The AE W30
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Finally, the Fenix T1 (high)
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The AE light looked somewhat brighter than the Fenix at this range in real life. Unfortunately, my camera is not a DSLR, and did not show it that well.

So there you have a few shots anyway. Its not just its brightness that makes the AE W30 a great light. It is how well it is built and that it can achieve good brightness without having to use 123a's.

I look forward to someone using one of these in the water and getting some underwater shots. Its not a twin H.I.D. dive light by any means, but with lithium AA's installed, it would be a great light to carry with you that you could count on without giving the light much worry at all. I also would not worry too much about taking it out in a even moderately heavy rain :)
 
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Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Good work!

There's also another AE LED light coming out this/next week. :) It's more of a LEO/Security light. We should have them listed tomorrow.
 
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Curious... is it the same Fraen optic used in the Lowes task force?



that white wall beam shot makes me think so.
 
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That's one big *******. Way too big for a 3XAA light...

Not really when you think about the task it's designed for. It's an underwater light, so it has to have a certain amount of mass for boyancy. It needs to be strong enough to resist the higher pressure of being underwater 100 feet or more. It also needs to be easy to handle and find while wearing thick gloves.

Remember, it's a dive light, not just another 3xAA flashlight.
 
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:naughty: Ugh .... this calls for "under-water" diving Beam shots .........



No ?? ..........

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Thanks for the review and clear beamshots:goodjob:, if just look the beamshots, AE W30 looks as bright as Fenix T1, it's hard to believe this light only powered by 3xAA, if ignore the price, I definitily like this light, bright and solid, and if AE make a cheaper version, I must have one!
 
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What impressed me about the light (at least according to AE's specs) was that finally, a there was a true dive light that ran on 3AA's that was actually bright. UK and PT make nice led AA dive lights, but they are not bright

barbolight b-04 also uses 3xAA and is very bright.

It seems that now even have a 4 led 6AA dive light.
 
Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Some mini reviews:

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-221212.html

Poster: fletcher
Subject: Ultimate backup:

"Tillytec w30 runs with three AA batteries for 3 to 5 hours on max power. More than 300 lumens with one led backup. yep, 300 lumens. Tried it myself and it's more bright than a barbolight U-15 older version (4leds luxeon III) wich was more bright than my 10 watt hid custom divers.

http://62.75.177.102/tectauchshop-p117h54s58-Tilly-Tec-W30.html?sid=b8299bb5cb59b6a02c9912a163fb1034

Check also the cable light led 500 from tillytec. Compatible with the green force system and damn brighter than a 10 watt Hid. Tested it myself. Was impressed with the tight beam that cuts into the murky water."
 
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Matt, the links you posted are not complete, so many dots in the middle.
 
Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Fixed - it's weird I cut/pasted them from another post. Apparenty CPF shortens them within a post.
 
Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Matt, that first link still wasn't right - now fixed.
 
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Keep in mind, the Barbolight mentioned was the older one... not cree. But I am happy with the brightness of the W30

I did a basic runtime test (since I do not have a light meter) by locking my camera at 4/10 sec at f/2.8 and took beamshots with the AE with Energizer lithium AA's. I took photos at 1 min, 1, 2, and 3 hours of runtime.

I only put the photo of the light at 1min, and not 1&2 hours because there was not a noticeable difference on camera. The light appears in regulation on lithiums to that time.

Here is the shot of the light at 1 min.
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The light was at at least 85% brightness at 2 hours, and my point and shoot could not notice a differance... but when I came back at 3 hours of burn time things had changed. Pic at 3 hours
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The light seemed to be putting out about 40 lumens to my eyes... more than enough to walk around the house with, but I took a picture of the Fenix T1 on Medium next to it for an example of how much the light had dimmed. Fenix is on the left.
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To show how much the light dimmed, I put fresh lithiums in the AE and took it next to the Fenix (med)
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Since I have not taken a beamshot of the AE and Fenix T1 (high) next to each other, I thought I would include that as well. AE W30 is on the right.
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Edit: The wall is orange...not white

Edit: Runtime specs from AE's site: 300 lumens 1-2 hours, 180 lumens 3-5 hours (not true) 18 hours decreasing light (possible)

Edit: My store is having its Going out of business sale, and since I was burned out on sales for a while, I decided to do security for the event.... 3 months 13 hours a night...with no days off, but good $$$. About 3AM I see a car parked in front of our store on the street. 3 high school kids had their tire blow out on their car and they are trying to change a tire in the dark. They had no light, and the crappiest jack I have ever seen. They are also all in short sleave shirts...and one guy even has shorts on. It is warm here in the day, but drops down to the low 40's at night. I give them light for the 45 minutes it takes to change the tire. The AE was great for the task because it has such a large spot...and it did not dim even though I allready had about 45 min of use on its batteries. Lithium AA's are great. Its nice to use a light to actually help someone. My advice to anyone... including myself is keep 2 things in your car.... a good light, and replace the stupid jack that came with your car with a better one.

I also love the days of leds. My old edc was a SF Gpz with a p61 bulb. I usually carried an extra set of batteries with me. With my old light (which I really did love) it would have taken me both sets of batteries and the last 5 minutes of the kids work would have been in the dark. Plus I would have spent $8 on batteries. Leds are good.
 
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I did some runtime tests with Nimh Batts. Both Energizer 2500mh and Duracell Pre-charged (enerloops?)

Even when the nimh batteries are fresh, I noticed that the beam changes from a pretty pure white, to somewhat bluish. It was definitely noticable tonight while I was walking around with the light on for an hour with the Energizer nimh's in it. I just did not like the beam nearly as much. Also, the light seems pretty direct driven, so the longer the nimh batts were used, the more I notived the difference.

Here are the shots of the AE with fresh Batteries at 1/60sec f/2.8 daylight balance.

First, Energizer NIMH 2500 mah
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Next an Energizer e2 lithium
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This was disapointing to me because I had been (and planned on) using the light every night for over an hour. If I keep doing that with lithiums, it will cost me over $200 by summers end. I may need to buy another light as my daily use light :(

Don't get me wrong, the light is still very respectible with nimh cells, just not nearly as much so as on lithiums. The nimh batteries also provided less spill, but still had no problem powering the light over an hour, with only loosing maybe 25% of their brightness. But after that, I just had to take them out and put lithiums back in.

So, basicly, I see the AE W30 as a well built dive/hard use light that has enough power to easily compete with 2x123a Q5 lights. It also has better runtime than 2x123a lights. It is however, not free to run (if you want optimum performance) and is not a tactical or edc light. But if you do not mind feeding it, (get your lithium AA's from Sams or Batteryjunction and they are not that high priced) you should have a very dependable high output light that is always ready in an emergency. (lithium AA's have a 15 year shelf life)
 
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:eek: WHOA!!! HOLY .... THAT'S MY KINDA LIGHT!!!! Crazy lumens and throw running on AA cells in a water tight body. GRRRRR! I just started my new job and I CAN afford to buy this, but I just can't justify it:mecry:
 
Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Thanks for the review!! :thumbsup:

This seems like one of the most interesting lights to hit the market lately but I am a little bit disappointed that top performance is only attained with E2L's. In some of those beam shot's it appeared at if it was pushing the 300 lumen mark when compared to the T1. Although I understand the "back-up" nature of this light and appreciate the ultimate reliability and convenience that the batteries provide, I would much rather see a 2 X 18650 version of this light. The water pressure at even 600' doesn't require the extreme body thickness but I can appreciate the overbuilt qualities of the light. It's virtually crush proof as it is now. An 18650 version could be made without changing the exterior dimensions but would supply excellent voltage and increased run-time. I love the optic and the hard driven cree, but I'd like to see better sustained performance and 3AA's just aren't up to the task given their voltage.

Great product, I just couldn't afford to feed it with E2L batteries, while alkalines and NiMH would leave me wanting more performance. If this were an 2 x 18650 light I'd purchase it in a heartbeat. Natural HA would be attractive on this light also.


P.S. Is the body rubber coated? I noticed that it look like more of a flat black than the head...

Thanks.
 
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The body has a very hard zytel around the the AA aluminum tube. 2x18650's would be sweet!
 
Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Actually the body is not covered in Zytel. It's just ultra thick aluminum with flat HA where the head is shiny HA.
 
Re: New AE W30 3AA Cree Backup Dive Light Review (w/outdoor beamshots)

Actually the body is not covered in Zytel. It's just ultra thick aluminum with flat HA where the head is shiny HA.

Gene, thanks for the info. I sold this light, and may have to buy another one. It is just a special "bulletproof" light. I don't think even Surefire makes anything as tough as this light. And that's nothing at all against Surefire. The light is just built like nothing I have ever seen.

Edit: I just ordered another one. The light's expensive, has to have lithiums for the most oomph, and offers no tactical switch. But I just don't think it would ever fail me, and that is a pretty good feeling- above or below the surface of the water!
 
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