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I was trying out my G5, G6, G7 modes on my H53FC. I noticed when I use low beacon in G5 it beacons in the last low mode that had been used like it is supposed to. When I use low beacon in either G6 or G7 the low beacon is always the highest possible of the low modes no matter what my last used low setting was or how I programmed my low modes. Wondering if anyone else has experienced that.
I will stick with just using G5. I always leave my light on low beacon at night and the higher flash in the G6 and G7 modes will disturb the Mrs even more.
 
I was trying out my G5, G6, G7 modes on my H53FC. I noticed when I use low beacon in G5 it beacons in the last low mode that had been used like it is supposed to. When I use low beacon in either G6 or G7 the low beacon is always the highest possible of the low modes no matter what my last used low setting was or how I programmed my low modes. Wondering if anyone else has experienced that.
I will stick with just using G5. I always leave my light on low beacon at night and the higher flash in the G6 and G7 modes will disturb the Mrs even more.

Just tried on my H53Fc, got the same result. Guess ZL doesn't have any more memory on their circuit board.
 
Just tried on my H53Fc, got the same result. Guess ZL doesn't have any more memory on their circuit board.

Thanks for confirming my observations. That low slow beacon is what put Zebralight over the top for me. Hopefully this new interface is perfected so low beacon works properly in all G modes.
I also noticed that the 'factory reset' of 3 sets of pushes for the different mode groups doesn't work for me. All the changes of brightness levels I made are still there in all groups. Either I am not doing it correctly or something. G5 works well for me. Thats what I will use.
 
There's been no response from Cree concerning the die sizes of the XM-L2 (H52 generation) and the XP-L2 (H53 generation), but I have reason to believe from articles that although the platform/optic sizes changed (from 5x5mm to 3.45x3.45mm) the die sizes have not. A smaller die size would have increased throw in the H53 line. What I've read is, the XM-L2 and the XP-L are the same size dies in different sized packages and the optic casing magnified sizes of the XP-L and XP-L2 are the same, leading me to believe the dies are the same size.

Therefore, I'm of the opinion that there is no increased throw due to die sizes between generations of this lamp. Hope dashed.

The substantially improved efficiency of the XP-L2 (compared to the XM-L2) appears to have been used to increase outputs in the H53 line. The H52w non-boosted max output went from 280-330, an 18% gain. (There is nothing to compare the H53c with in the previous line). Increased lumens at each output translates to increased surface brightness, so there is some range increase at the each of the normal outputs (SQR(1.18)=9% additional range), but with 14500 support gone, the brightest output of boost is gone. So in one sense you have "brighter" by virtue of increased surface brightness of the LED, but no boost voltage to exceed the former boost of the H52 line means overall, less bright. An apparent play on the word "brighter". Political weasel words used in the context of marketing to smooth over the loss of something numerous ZL fans have been complaining about.

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Nevertheless, the H53 line is still remarkable with the new technically impressive leap of the XP-L2 emitter. The UI is spectacular and very convenient for someone like me who would like to use 3-HI and 3-MED outputs in my 2x3 program array instead of only having three options and only one from each level allowed (which is why the previous generation is unappealing to me). There are more output options in the meaningful range a trail runner would use to tailor his light to his speed and course technicality than their rival Armytek's headlamps. The new outputs of 30, 65, 122, 198 on the H53w are ideal for trail running mountains. The headlamps are lighter and therefore more comfortable for a runner or hiker. ZL quality is still notches ahead of their competitors.

Since I need the extra throwing power for blaze searches, lost in the H53 line with the dropping of 14500 support, it behooves me to wait for an H33w model. The higher voltage of the CR123 battery should get me to 525 lumens and around 87m of throw, which is back up to the boosted level. Hopefully that model is just around the corner. If that doesn't happen fast enough, maybe I can fashion a "monocle" for occasional momentary seating on the H53w bezel that will concentrate spill light and extend the range a bit for the brief moments I will require it.
 
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Is everyone buying theirs direct from ZL? Shipping is +$15 to Canada. Does the old GITD silicone holder from the H51/H52 work well with this new H53c? I've been itching to upgrade my 6 year old H51w. I tried an Olight H1 Nova Neutral on a whim... returned it within half an hour of testing it since it was nowhere close to a ZL. Granted it did cost half of what a ZL H32w cost at the time.
 
Is everyone buying theirs direct from ZL? Shipping is +$15 to Canada. Does the old GITD silicone holder from the H51/H52 work well with this new H53c? I've been itching to upgrade my 6 year old H51w. I tried an Olight H1 Nova Neutral on a whim... returned it within half an hour of testing it since it was nowhere close to a ZL. Granted it did cost half of what a ZL H32w cost at the time.

Direct from ZL, +$10 for EMS (AU). How's your H51W holding up? I don't have the Olight headlamp, why is it inferior compared to the ZL?
 
I ordered direct. Likely getting it tomorrow. 5 days or so for ems. Fast. No more free shipping. I asked.

Haven't you learned yet that you can't rely on what a ZL CS agent or their website says? :crackup:

http://www.zebralight.com/Free-Shipping-Worldwide_ep_43-1.html


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And here they got me thinking I was going to save $5 on a next generation headlamp (without indicating on their website postage is no longer free.)

Only at ZL can you get a "brighter" and "lowered price" flashlight that goes from ~500 lumens to ~300 lumens and ends up costing the same out of pocket.
 
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Tis true! But they won't ship it to me for free so I don't really have a choice!

Note. Usa shipping is free. Canada ships from China and they want it traceable.
 
Tis true! But they won't ship it to me for free so I don't really have a choice!

Note. Usa shipping is free. Canada ships from China and they want it traceable.

Not to be nitpicky but this is what ZL claims on their website:

FREE Shipping Worldwide on Orders $50+
We ship domestically by USPS First-Class Mail Packages and internationally by China Post Air Mail free of charges on orders at or over $50.​
 
I ordered direct. Likely getting it tomorrow. 5 days or so for ems. Fast. No more free shipping. I asked.

Didn't know you were ordering one, could have combined shipping. Oh well. Lemme know if you get dinged by customs.

Direct from ZL, +$10 for EMS (AU). How's your H51W holding up? I don't have the Olight headlamp, why is it inferior compared to the ZL?

H51W is holding up great, mind you I mostly use it around the house and doing stuff on the car, so no jungle/forest running at night in the rain. I just wanted something a bit brighter with a Nichia 219B/C 4000-4500k tint & high CRI rendition. I've pretty much switched all my main lights to Nichia 219B/C now except for the headlamp.

I posted my opinions on the H1 Nova thread, but in short, 5000k is neutral tint, not the usual 4000-4500k, CRI sucks compared to 219B, the 500 lumen burst mode only works with certain Li-ion batteries and primaries, none of mine made it longer than 25 seconds so it's essentially a 180 lumen CR123 headlamp for me. The UI to get to their version of moonlight (too bright to be considered moonlight) is convoluted. Brightness mode spacing is not that good. I think the newer H1R takes care of the battery/burst runtime problem, but the brightness spacing, UI, and tint still remain. Granted, I only paid ~$45 USD for it, which is almost half of what a H32w+shipping would have cost, but no one had any stock of the H32w at the time.
 
Genzoid. I read that too. I asked them. It's their fault for making the change and not updating the website. The good thing is my headlamp will take 5 days to arrive instead of 2-8 weeks.

Avro. I see you pop up like a groundhog, then you disappear for a year. Next time I order I'll contact you. I also ordered an sc5c II so that diffuses the cost a bit.

I'll likely jump on the new Zebralights due to the easy white 4K LED and the programmable UI. Hoping for 18650 next.

My easy white xml2 h600fc 3 is around 3700-4000K. A touch of warm. I really like it. I'll need to see if the xpl easy white is comparable.
 
Genzoid. I read that too. I asked them. It's their fault for making the change and not updating the website. The good thing is my headlamp will take 5 days to arrive instead of 2-8 weeks.

"Genzoid"...haha, that's funny and yet seemingly fashionable (I know the "o" and "i" are close on the keypad, so I know it wasn't intentional).
 
I think this is a relevant question for this thread:

If you as a trail runner, on a rocky, rooty mountain trail, wanted the best possible visibility, and you had the choice between 15.7% higher intensity at all outputs @ 80 CRI verses lower intensity at 93-95 CRI, which would you choose to see the trail better?

The choice in this case is between the max 330 lumen/80 CRI minimum H53w and the max 285 lumen/93-95 CRI H53c.

I think the color rendition of the c version would be spectacular on a mountain trail and it would probably lend to better visibility in ridge-line fog conditions (love to hear your opinion on that aspect as well), but I require the best possible visibility on the trail for the sake of safety while running. I am unaware of any way of mathematically quantifying the relationship of visibility as a function of CRI and intensity. I'd like to hear your opinions, and if you can lend authority to them with a citation, that would be even better.
 
I think this is a relevant question for this thread:

If you as a trail runner, on a rocky, rooty mountain trail, wanted the best possible visibility, and you had the choice between 15.7% higher intensity at all outputs @ 80 CRI verses lower intensity at 93-95 CRI, which would you choose to see the trail better?

The choice in this case is between the max 330 lumen/80 CRI minimum H53w and the max 285 lumen/93-95 CRI H53c.

I think the color rendition of the c version would be spectacular on a mountain trail and it would probably lend to better visibility in ridge-line fog conditions (love to hear your opinion on that aspect as well), but I require the best possible visibility on the trail for the sake of safety while running. I am unaware of any way of mathematically quantifying the relationship of visibility as a function of CRI and intensity. I'd like to hear your opinions, and if you can lend authority to them with a citation, that would be even better.

I don't believe the output difference would be consequential in this case, or in most cases for that matter, given the small difference.
80 CRI is good enough in about all cases for the said use, so 93-95 CRI will not provide substantial advantage. Without an immediate prior reference and a side by side reference, I'm not convinced most people can tell one from the other.
So, in this case, it's a matter of personal preference.
 
Didn't know you were ordering one, could have combined shipping. Oh well. Lemme know if you get dinged by customs.



H51W is holding up great, mind you I mostly use it around the house and doing stuff on the car, so no jungle/forest running at night in the rain. I just wanted something a bit brighter with a Nichia 219B/C 4000-4500k tint & high CRI rendition. I've pretty much switched all my main lights to Nichia 219B/C now except for the headlamp.

I posted my opinions on the H1 Nova thread, but in short, 5000k is neutral tint, not the usual 4000-4500k, CRI sucks compared to 219B, the 500 lumen burst mode only works with certain Li-ion batteries and primaries, none of mine made it longer than 25 seconds so it's essentially a 180 lumen CR123 headlamp for me. The UI to get to their version of moonlight (too bright to be considered moonlight) is convoluted. Brightness mode spacing is not that good. I think the newer H1R takes care of the battery/burst runtime problem, but the brightness spacing, UI, and tint still remain. Granted, I only paid ~$45 USD for it, which is almost half of what a H32w+shipping would have cost, but no one had any stock of the H32w at the time.

:thumbsup:Thanks for sharing. I've always wanted to try out a different brand but their UIs looked questionable to me. Not to mention that ZL is one of the few companies out there that offers high CRI lights. I bought a Nitecore P12 back in early 2014 but I almost never touched it after I got a SC62w later that year. Guess I'll just keep buying new ZLs then!
 
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