New incans - Edison 5C and 7C

[MrAl]

Well they were new in 2020 - but looks to be a fairly short run as the 7C is now discontinued.

I'm in the UK and certain people here still value an incandescent light. I supplied old stock replacement bulbs earlier this year and auto mechanics especially were buying them.
I have LED but still value incandescent for certain tasks.

Hi,

Yeah that's interesting too. It could be that they are just so used to using them they don't want to switch.
It could also have to do with the brightness also because many LED lights can be too bright and therefore make it hard to view some things that have high reflectance.

LED lights have so many advantages over incan's, but you do have to have a good LED light not just a bargain light. Some of the bargain lights I have had over the years are now either in the garbage dump somewhere or just put aside as a conversation piece. Especially the older white LEDs with the blue tint, nasty color on those even for just general lighting use.

 

[M@elstrom]

Wow that's interesting. I've never seen an incan with color rendition nearly as good as some of the LED lights I have. The reason being is that the LED lights have nearly pure white light.

Incandescent lights have a CRI of 100 (as does sunlight), better quality LEDs range from around 80 CRI and up but not quite 100, whilst the LED lights I have throw a decent amount of lumens they seem to wash out colours somewhat, hence the reason there are occasions where I will prefer the incandescent.

 

[MrAl]

Incandescent lights have a CRI of 100 (as does sunlight), better quality LEDs range from around 80 CRI and up but not quite 100, whilst the LED lights I have throw a decent amount of lumens they seem to wash out colours somewhat, hence the reason there are occasions where I will prefer the incandescent.

The idea of CRI cannot be considered a good measure for a human seeing colors because that depends on other factors as well as what color the light itself is. For example, there is no way it can be good for viewing the color of cooked red meat, or for viewing some resistor color codes. I had color coded resistors in the past I could never read with an incandescent bulb.
Also, note that the wattage has something to do with it too.

The whole idea with resistor color codes is to be able to distinguish one color from another. With some resistors it is hard to do that with an incandescent bulb.

For flashlights, the incandescent bulb ones I have seen always have some nasty looking lighting pattern too. I had some decent brand flashlights from various manufacturers, and I think I have one or two left that I did not throw out. The bulb replacement also gets to be a pain in the neck too as well as how fast the batteries drain. Can you even dim them. If you dim them, the light color gets more orange.

Seems like it took Maglite forever to adopt the LED for flashlights, but they eventually did. Just too many advantages.

 

[Lowglow]

The idea of CRI cannot be considered a good measure for a human seeing colors because that depends on other factors as well as what color the light itself is. For example, there is no way it can be good for viewing the color of cooked red meat, or for viewing some resistor color codes. I had color coded resistors in the past I could never read with an incandescent bulb.
Also, note that the wattage has something to do with it too.

The whole idea with resistor color codes is to be able to distinguish one color from another. With some resistors it is hard to do that with an incandescent bulb.

For flashlights, the incandescent bulb ones I have seen always have some nasty looking lighting pattern too. I had some decent brand flashlights from various manufacturers, and I think I have one or two left that I did not throw out. The bulb replacement also gets to be a pain in the neck too as well as how fast the batteries drain. Can you even dim them. If you dim them, the light color gets more orange.

Seems like it took Maglite forever to adopt the LED for flashlights, but they eventually did. Just too many advantages.

You have some interesting thoughts there. As an electronics engineer I do appreciate appreciate an accurate lighting source. I think a bit of study about bulb and LED accuracy would merit some time. I did two here. Very rough but same lighting intensity and left the phone to auto. One was incandescent, one was 95 CRI Nichia.

For incandescent a beam suitable for close working is rare - but achievable. The Dokter Aspherilux being one. Halogen bulb and aspheric lens.

 

[MrAl]

You have some interesting thoughts there. As an electronics engineer I do appreciate appreciate an accurate lighting source. I think a bit of study about bulb and LED accuracy would merit some time. I did two here. Very rough but same lighting intensity and left the phone to auto. One was incandescent, one was 95 CRI Nichia.

For incandescent a beam suitable for close working is rare - but achievable. The Dokter Aspherilux being one. Halogen bulb and aspheric lens.

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Hi,

That's interesting too. What I would have suggested is that you compare resistors that have orange and red colors because those get muffled somehow. Maybe blue vs green too.
So maybe 3.3k which would have two orange and one red, then one 33k, and one 22k. So we'd have several examples of orange and red. Maybe the same with resistors that have blue and green.

I mentioned the red meat cooked color and the resistor orange and red blending because that's what I had problems with in the past. The orange may sometimes look red-orange instead of just orange, and the incandescent would make it very hard to determine if it was orange or red. Of course having cataracts doesn't help things either That messes up colors too.
Oh and if I had to use incandescent, I would use halogen for sure, with a full battery.

Here's what 'ai' had to say about it, and I am not posting this because 'ai' said it (which is not always correct) but because this explanation matches my experience in the past.

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When viewing colors under incandescent light bulbs compared to LEDs, incandescent bulbs tend to produce a warmer, yellowish light, making reds and oranges appear more vivid while potentially muting blues and greens, while LEDs offer a wider range of color temperatures, allowing for more accurate color representation depending on the chosen color temperature setting, with cooler LED lights potentially making colors appear slightly bluer than under incandescent bulbs.

Key points about color perception with different light sources:

• Incandescent light:
  Typically emits a warm white light with a lower color temperature, which can make colors appear more saturated in the red-orange spectrum and slightly muted in the blue-green spectrum.
• LED light:
  Offers a wider range of color temperatures, from warm white (similar to incandescent) to cool white (bluish), allowing for more precise color rendition depending on the chosen setting.

[END_QUOTE]

 

[leukos]

Hi,

Are you saying these are incandescent bulb flashlights? Who likes those type now that LEDs have come onto the scene. Maybe you like collecting the vintage flashlights?

Wrong forum, MrAl!

 

[MrAl]

Wrong forum, MrAl!

What the heck are you talking about?
You got that quote from back in post #17 why would you say that, especially when someone already replied to it with a reasonable reply.

 

[leukos]

Just saying the incan forum is for appreciation of incans. Similar comments to yours have been hashed out over the years ad nauseam. You have been around here long enough to know better than to act so surprised.

 

[MrAl]

Just saying the incan forum is for appreciation of incans. Similar comments to yours have been hashed out over the years ad nauseam. You have been around here long enough to know better than to act so surprised.

I actually took a hiatus for several years. Just came back within the year.
I do appreciate the collectors in the group, no problem there. People collect all sorts of stuff.
If a subject comes up again that is of interest, it's of interest. People talk all the time about the weather.
There are actually a lot of subjects that come up from time to time. We don't always talk about things once, twice or even 100 times, then forget all about it. It's freedom, enjoy it

 

[leukos]

To the OP, I don't mean to hijack your thread, but it gets old having people come to the incan forum and bash someone's interest in incans or try to convince them they should see the light and start using LEDs. Mr Al is a longtime member here (as I am) and should have better etiquette than that. His innocent defense that it is just an old subject being discussed anew is just a deflection of his disrespectful behavior towards your useful information. Enjoying the lights you like without someone insinuating you are an idiot for using incans is real freedom!

 

[Lowglow]

To the OP, I don't mean to hijack your thread, but it gets old having people come to the incan forum and bash someone's interest in incans or try to convince them they should see the light and start using LEDs. Mr Al is a longtime member here (as I am) and should have better etiquette than that. His innocent defense that it is just an old subject being discussed anew is just a deflection of his disrespectful behavior towards your useful information. Enjoying the lights you like without someone insinuating you are an idiot for using incans is real freedom!

No worries. As someone who (even as a little boy) was interested in older technology, I've found that most times people are 100% into the latest technology and are quick to ditch older stuff. But there's lots to appreciate in my opinion in what others no longer value. Like other older items I use often, such as VHS, CRT TV, 1980s cars, film cameras and incandescent lights. I'm often told I am wrong and get with the times, yet once the evidence is examined often the older technology speaks for itself in excellent results - even against any modern equivalent.
Like the friend who was mocking my 1950's 35mm Kodak Retina IB camera - until he saw the digitised results against his 'far superior' digital compact camera that blew out all the sunset photos he took whilst my old Kodak reproduced it on film just perfectly. I may not have been able to take 100s of shots or delete in camera (the benefits he told me) but the little £10 Retina did me proud.

 

[MrAl]

To the OP, I don't mean to hijack your thread, but it gets old having people come to the incan forum and bash someone's interest in incans or try to convince them they should see the light and start using LEDs. Mr Al is a longtime member here (as I am) and should have better etiquette than that. His innocent defense that it is just an old subject being discussed anew is just a deflection of his disrespectful behavior towards your useful information. Enjoying the lights you like without someone insinuating you are an idiot for using incans is real freedom!

Simply put, you focus too much time on what other people say and do. You take that much time to complain about what other people think rather than contribute to the discussion. You're acting like a troublemaker/troll.

For your information, I used to collect flashlights too and I had old Maglites and everything. I still collect more or less, but I don't have as many as I used too. I think I have one incan type left. It's an Energizer 2 D cell flashlight.

Just stop knocking other people and shut the heck up about other people.
If you keep it up, I just will not reply to your new messages. You can do the same if you wish, you are free to do that too.

One more time, that's it.

 

[MrAl]

No worries. As someone who (even as a little boy) was interested in older technology, I've found that most times people are 100% into the latest technology and are quick to ditch older stuff. But there's lots to appreciate in my opinion in what others no longer value. Like other older items I use often, such as VHS, CRT TV, 1980s cars, film cameras and incandescent lights. I'm often told I am wrong and get with the times, yet once the evidence is examined often the older technology speaks for itself in excellent results - even against any modern equivalent.
Like the friend who was mocking my 1950's 35mm Kodak Retina IB camera - until he saw the digitised results against his 'far superior' digital compact camera that blew out all the sunset photos he took whilst my old Kodak reproduced it on film just perfectly. I may not have been able to take 100s of shots or delete in camera (the benefits he told me) but the little £10 Retina did me proud.

My old Rolie camera took much better pictures than my newest phone. Even my older digital camera takes better pictures than my newest phone. The phone cameras don't seem to be able to capture images with unusual lighting. I find myself taking two or three snapshots just to get it right.

 

[MrAl]

Just for the record again, I think it's just fine that people collect things that they want to collect. People collect the oddest things, but to them it's the coolest things. I collect things that others would probably wonder why. I have no problem with that either.

Note the coroner collects dead bodies (ha ha)
Hopefully they don't keep them for too long
I know somebody who used to have to collect dead bodies for the government. They don't do that job anymore though, thankfully.

 

[bluflaam777]

Some ppl collect rocks.

 

[Monocrom]

Some ppl collect rocks.

Especially shiny, cut ones called "diamonds."

 

[leukos]

Simply put, you focus too much time on what other people say and do. You take that much time to complain about what other people think rather than contribute to the discussion. You're acting like a troublemaker/troll.

For your information, I used to collect flashlights too and I had old Maglites and everything. I still collect more or less, but I don't have as many as I used too. I think I have one incan type left. It's an Energizer 2 D cell flashlight.

Just stop knocking other people and shut the heck up about other people.
If you keep it up, I just will not reply to your new messages. You can do the same if you wish, you are free to do that too.

One more time, that's it.

Mr Al, please calm down. I can understand why you might feel like you are the injured party here, but please reflect for a few moments on how the anti-incan comments you made in in this thread in this incandescent forum could be insulting to many of the members who have contributed so much to this forum and who genuinely enjoy these lights. I think just an acknowledgement of that rather than the defensive posturing is all I am requesting of you. Errare humanum est, persevare diabolicum. I don't care to keep posting on this issue either, I'm happy to move on as well. I come here to enjoy the hobby just like most other members here do.

 

[MrAl]

I'm sorry but I won't comment on anything like this anymore except in private messages. If you want to continue to discuss people who visit this site it will have to be done in PM's. In the meantime, let's enjoy the hobby.

 

[leukos]

Oh well. Sorry fellow incan fans, I tried.

 

[Monocrom]

Oh well. Sorry fellow incan fans, I tried.

To embarrass a fellow member when a polite PM would have sufficed?
It's clear that the comments he made weren't out of malice, nor a sense of making fun of us inca. lovers. A more tactful approached would have yielded better results.