New pocket light quest.... bigger light performance in a very small light

[taiji]

A very quick glance at the thread did not mention the Lumapower Trust - 300+ emitter lumens in an AA form (Li-on) or 100+ in NiMh. While the Fenix LD10 is as bright on NiMH the bump on Li-on is not as much as the Trust.

In the CPF Marketplace Manufacturer section.

 

[FroggyTaco]

First off with regards to long posts/replies, you may want to consider saving a copy of the post in wordpad or MS Word so you don't lose your typing efforts.

I tend to only read about 2/3 of threads like this & I never saw whether you wanted to clip the light to your pants or let it sit in the botto, of your pocket.

I personally have tried the Mini AA, Preon I, Mini CR123, SC30w, SC50, SC50w, LF3XT, LF2xt, Nextorch K1, & a few I can't recall for now.

I agree with your assessment that the LF3XT size was too big for comfortable EDC & the Preon I is too easily lost/misplaced for me.

The SC50(w) has a great clip option, It designed to operate with 14500's properly, doesn't skip modes(ala the Mini's & yes that is a very common issue), has malkoff grade HA, has a very nice range of modes that are easily learned, & is just about the smallest AA form factor there is considering the options.

Travis

 

[DHart]

Really nice photography DHart, and I like your EDC "toys". I own a Colt series 80 Mark IV Combat Elite so I understand your appreciation of .45s. Although for me they're kinda' big for EDC. I have a SS Model 60 J frame with Craig Spegal boot grips I like for that, and a Walther PPK that just disappears into a pocket. Glock makes a really tiny .40 I've always had my eye on but I've seem to have blown all my money on flashlights. I live in one of the very few states where anyone who's not a felon can carry concealed almost anywhere (except the court house) without a permit. Can even take it into the bank. We have one of the lowest per capita rates of violent crime in the country. Is it any wonder?​

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An armed society is a polite society. When bad guys know their bad behavior is likely to be met with a forceful defense, they tend to look elsewhere for undefended opportunity. THIS administration would like to take the defenses away from law abiding citizens, leaving us prey to law breakers who will always have guns and knives. They can't defend us, so G*d Da^^ them for trying to strip us of our rights. Of course they all have exemptions from such restrictions and security teams and such so what do they have to worry about.

Sounds like the good people of Vermont have some clear minded folks in government. Fortunately there are a number of other states which honor and respect the intent of our founding fathers and support the rights of its citizens. And thank God for States' Rights: if you don't like the governance in the state or city where you live you can move to one where the governance is more in line with your rights. Of course, this administration would like to see States' Rights go away as well... it's all about power to control EVERYTHING. 😡

 

[DHart]

I personally have tried the Mini AA, Preon I, Mini CR123, SC30w, SC50, SC50w, LF3XT, LF2xt, Nextorch K1, & a few I can't recall for now.

I agree with your assessment that the LF3XT size was too big for comfortable EDC & the Preon I is too easily lost/misplaced for me.

The SC50(w) has a great clip option, It designed to operate with 14500's properly, doesn't skip modes(ala the Mini's & yes that is a very common issue), has malkoff grade HA, has a very nice range of modes that are easily learned, & is just about the smallest AA form factor there is considering the options.

Travis

Travis... thanks for the input. So far, my MiNi123 has run perfectly on AWRCR123 li-ion. I don't intend to use a lithium CR123 unless I must for whatever reason. Same with the Preon I.

The Zebralight SC series really looks like a great line of lights. I'm sure one of them will find it's way to the DHart household at some point...and the SC50 is probably the overall most versatile model in terms of powering options.

Right now I'm alternating the MiNi123 dropped in the bottom of a pocket and the Preon I clipped to the side of the pocket. Both are working out wonderfully. And I really appreciate the clicky switching capability on the Preon I.

 

[JDest]

Ok, a few things. I'll attempt to address them in order.

-DHart, any chance I can hire you to come to my apartment and photograph all the crap I own? (Especially my personal EDC, an M&P9C) Man you make everything look SO good its ridiculous. Although, to be fair, in this case, it wasn't too much of a challenge (great choices on your guns and Spydie folder :twothumbs )

-EZO: Firstly, good look on the entire E series. I can definitely see myself being separated from my hard earned cash in the very near future. All your fault, man. Secondly, glad that the good folks in the Vermont legislature (along with those in Alaska and Arizona) continue to uphold our rights by allowing their states constitutions to protect individuals by not requiring permits to carry concealed. I'm proud to live in the great state of Florida and am equally proud of our permissive gun laws (shall issue, no AWB, no registration etc.) but it would be nice to save that nice chunk of change on my CCW permit:naughty: It could always be worse though; it's not like I live in Cali:sick2:

-Dhart: Well said. Big ups on that whole post. And as to the next post, Selfbuilt is about to release his review of the SC50. My suggestion: Don't even look at it, lest you be compelled to pull the trigger yet again.:nana:

 

[DHart]

JDest... thanks... glad ya like the pics and appreciate the precepts on which this country was founded. AS for Selfbuilt's review on the SC50... I'd better stay away (but I won't)... my budget is so far blown already.

 

[B0wz3r]

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An armed society is a polite society. When bad guys know their bad behavior is likely to be met with a forceful defense, they tend to look elsewhere for undefended opportunity. THIS administration would like to take the defenses away from law abiding citizens, leaving us prey to law breakers who will always have guns and knives. They can't defend us, so G*d Da^^ them for trying to strip us of our rights. Of course they all have exemptions from such restrictions and security teams and such so what do they have to worry about.

Sounds like the good people of Vermont have some clear minded folks in government. Fortunately there are a number of other states which honor and respect the intent of our founding fathers and support the rights of its citizens. And thank God for States' Rights: if you don't like the governance in the state or city where you live you can move to one where the governance is more in line with your rights. Of course, this administration would like to see States' Rights go away as well... it's all about power to control EVERYTHING. 😡

DHart; I've read many of your posts here and I appreciate your perspectives and contributions. But...

I won't say whether I agree or disagree with your position, just that I think it's inappropriate for this forum.

We're here to talk about our love for good flashlights (and other tools), so let's not needlessly whip up passions about issues that are already volatile to begin with.

I just hope our country can see its way out of this "if you're not with me, you're against me" mentality. It may very well be the end of us.

 

[Starchaser]

TO RECAP WHERE I WOUND UP GOING WITH THIS QUEST:

• EZAA R5
• Q MiNi123 Neutral
• Preon I w/clicky tail cap (RED just for the fun of it!)

DHart, did you ever get your EZAA R5? Just wondering if it fit your "new pocket light quest.... bigger light performance in a very small light?" I've seen your post about the mini and preon.

I'm very interested to hear how you like the EZAA R5 overall... and what you think of the new UI, since I'm thinking of getting one for the same reasons you started your quest. 🙂

 

[Starchaser]

The SC50(w) has a great clip option, It designed to operate with 14500's properly, doesn't skip modes(ala the Mini's & yes that is a very common issue), has malkoff grade HA, has a very nice range of modes that are easily learned, & is just about the smallest AA form factor there is considering the options.

I only see mention of, "Durable natural hard anodized finish (Type III Class I)," and "Precision machined casing from premium grade Alcoa aluminum bar stock," in the specs for the SC50.

FroggyTaco, can you please elaborate more on the malkoff grade HA, and it's benefits over other lights HA's?

Also, the SC50 does have a small form factor in regards to its length 3.15 in, but its diameter at 22mm, compared to say the Nitecore D11 at 19mm and the JETBeam BK135A at 17mm, it would seem a little bulkier in the pocket. If you would please, can you tell me what you think, and does the thicker diameter make any difference when in your pocket.

The SC50 certainly has a very appealing feature set, but I'm waiting for the SC51 to come out with the XP-G 200 Lumens OTF. 🙂

 

[DHart]

DHart; I've read many of your posts here and I appreciate your perspectives and contributions. But...

I won't say whether I agree or disagree with your position, just that I think it's inappropriate for this forum.

We're here to talk about our love for good flashlights (and other tools), so let's not needlessly whip up passions about issues that are already volatile to begin with.

Yes, you're right. We should focus on lights here and not politics. I feel passionately about what's happening to our country at present and the importance of letting others know what we are thinking in this regard. But I sometimes slip and discuss such matters when it isn't necessarily the right venue to do so.

 

[DHart]

DHart, did you ever get your EZAA R5? Just wondering if it fit your "new pocket light quest.... bigger light performance in a very small light?" I've seen your post about the mini and preon.

I'm very interested to hear how you like the EZAA R5 overall... and what you think of the new UI, since I'm thinking of getting one for the same reasons you started your quest. 🙂

Starchaser... TacticalLeds was out of stock for several days after I ordered it. I was informed at the end of last week that it was back in stock and shipping, so it should be here by Wednesday or so. I'm eager to check it out and see how it stacks up. I will definitely report back here after I get the light and have had a little time to check it out.

 

[Starchaser]

Starchaser... TacticalLeds was out of stock for several days after I ordered it. I was informed at the end of last week that it was back in stock and shipping, so it should be here by Wednesday or so. I'm eager to check it out and see how it stacks up. I will definitely report back here after I get the light and have had a little time to check it out.

Cool, I'll keep an eye out for your post. I can't wait to hear your thoughts on the Nitecore EZAA R5, especially regarding the new UI.

Thanks 🙂

 

[FroggyTaco]

I only see mention of, "Durable natural hard anodized finish (Type III Class I)," and "Precision machined casing from premium grade Alcoa aluminum bar stock," in the specs for the SC50.

FroggyTaco, can you please elaborate more on the malkoff grade HA, and it's benefits over other lights HA's?

Also, the SC50 does have a small form factor in regards to its length 3.15 in, but its diameter at 22mm, compared to say the Nitecore D11 at 19mm and the JETBeam BK135A at 17mm, it would seem a little bulkier in the pocket. If you would please, can you tell me what you think, and does the thicker diameter make any difference when in your pocket.

The SC50 certainly has a very appealing feature set, but I'm waiting for the SC51 to come out with the XP-G 200 Lumens OTF. 🙂

My personal experience is that the HA on both Malkoff & ZebraLight seems to be of superior density so I find it to be more durable than other companies HA. Mostly what I am referring to is a claim of HAIII that performs more like HAII if you know what I mean. I am also not talking about budget lights since I have never really gone there.

I have dropped several lights directly on concrete(smooth garage type) & the light was unscathed once the concrete powder was cleaned off.

With regards to the carry side of things I personally really like the diameter of the SC50. I think the 22mm is actually only the head. The body is closer to the 17-19 you speak of. I currently don't have any SC's left. My Mom bought my SC50w & I have been watching the fresh models roll out before I replace it.

My LF3XT was too fat for unobtrusive EDC & the Preon I is so small that it is hard for me to un-clip it into a use position without focusing on the light instead of what I am doing.

 

[Starchaser]

My personal experience is that the HA on both Malkoff & ZebraLight seems to be of superior density so I find it to be more durable than other companies HA. Mostly what I am referring to is a claim of HAIII that performs more like HAII if you know what I mean. I am also not talking about budget lights since I have never really gone there.

I have dropped several lights directly on concrete(smooth garage type) & the light was unscathed once the concrete powder was cleaned off.

With regards to the carry side of things I personally really like the diameter of the SC50. I think the 22mm is actually only the head. The body is closer to the 17-19 you speak of. I currently don't have any SC's left. My Mom bought my SC50w & I have been watching the fresh models roll out before I replace it.

My LF3XT was too fat for unobtrusive EDC & the Preon I is so small that it is hard for me to un-clip it into a use position without focusing on the light instead of what I am doing.

Thanks so much for elaborating for me FroggyTaco, I really appreciate it. 🙂

 

[nanotech17]

i have the qmini 123 in NW and it is so nice to have it and use it more often but strange enough after reading this whole thread i ordered the LM Trust Model-1 😀

 

[EZO]

Ok, a few things. I'll attempt to address them in order.

-EZO: Firstly, good look on the entire E series. I can definitely see myself being separated from my hard earned cash in the very near future. All your fault, man. Secondly, glad that the good folks in the Vermont legislature (along with those in Alaska and Arizona) continue to uphold our rights by allowing their states constitutions to protect individuals by not requiring permits to carry concealed.

Hey JDest, If it's all my fault I sure hope it works out well for both of us 'cause whatever path the new Tiablo E series leads down I'm sure we'll meet up there.......with less cash in our pockets but at least the path should be well lit! Sometimes I think CPF needs a new discussion category....like some kind of 12 step program for flashaholics. (Nah, that would spoil all the fun.)

Yeah, it is interesting about the Vermont Constitution but our legislature has never really had much to do regarding gun rights since the right to bear arms was written into our state Constitution all the way back in 1777. If only our founding fathers had written the U.S. Constitution to be as clearly worded as the Vermont document it would likely have saved us all a lot of trouble in this country.

Vermont Constitution: ARTICLE 16th "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State".

Vermont has a long interesting history of forward thinking and progressive law making. (Along with a lot of gaps and a few dumb ideas.) The Vermont Constitution, back in 1777, was the first to abolish slavery, for example. (curiously exempting those under 21 or anyone willing to be a slave)

Chapter 1 ARTICLE 1 : "That all persons are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent, and unalienable rights, amongst which are the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety; therefore no person born in this country, or brought from over sea, ought to be holden by law, to serve any person as a servant, slave or apprentice, after arriving to the age of twenty-one years, unless bound by the person's own consent, after arriving to such age, or bound by law for the payment of debts, damages, fines, costs, or the like."

OK, so I realize I am veering dangerously off the original thread topic at hand so please I hope everyone will indulge me. Let us return now to our regularly scheduled programming. (Hey, this was all DHart's fault 'cause of his photos, right?)

 

[DHart]

EZO... I'm more than glad to have the opportunity to hear about Vermont's clear recognition of the rights this country was founded on and its efforts to preserve them. As I said earlier, there are a number of areas of this country that are so inclined and it was brilliant for the founding fathers to recognize the importance of State's Rights and keeping minimal Federal involvement in our lives. I am against governance that thinks the answer to everything is more laws, restrictions, and controls. And I am against the Federal government trying to micro manage our lives and trample on state's rights.

OK... back to these fun lights! The "Trust" is intriguing as well.

 

[EZO]

OK... back to these fun lights! The "Trust" is intriguing as well.

I'm with you on that DHart. Jeez, there sure are a lot of "intriguing" lights out these days. I remember the days when discovering a new flashlight that I was interested in buying was a fairly rare experience but now it seems like it happens almost daily. I'm trying to limit flashlight related purchases to maybe one a month. (Note that I snuck the word "maybe" in there just to cover myself.:naughty: )

 

[CaNo]

In case you missed it... I ordered a Preon I, 10440s, AND a clicky tailcap! Yee Haw!!!! :thumbsup:

You have always been a smart man lol Good choice!

 

[JA(me)S]

The p7 clip is great on my q mini aa. Solid and cool looking. I think its the best clip for pocket carry. you can even use it on a cap as a headlamp. just keep a tight o-ring on the body and roll it over the clip when needed.

Genius - pure genius! Where has this idea been hiding? Does everybody know about this little idea - and I'm the last to find out about it? I feel so... so.. alone... in the dark... (oh, the irony)