New Surefire E2DL 200 LUMENS?!?!

[Tempest UK]

I've no idea exactly how many lumens my E2DL is putting out, but it's one of the very early version and is single-stage only, so I'm happy 🙂

Even so, I can't imagine there being a huge visible difference between my early E2DL and newer versions.

Regards,
Tempest

 

[nitebrite]

thanks size15's. i think i will just be happy with mine. i guess there is no reason to get a new one. mine was purchased in november 08. they state that if it was purchased after feburary 09 it is the new one. which is a silly statement if you think about it. what if the store had a older one still in stock because they did not move much surefire product?
the other strange thing is some people state they have 08 120 lumen packaging that says borofloat. that must be later packaging. is there any way to tell if it is borofloat or pyrex? if it even matters.

anyways there is hardly a visible difference so they must have been getting some better led's by nov. 08 already. i take it that none of them ever put out only 120 lumens? i guess i was lucky in that respect. i would not ever mind having another surefire. the problem is that i don't see myself needing a weapon and this is somewhat socially unacceptable. maybe i will just get the lx2. that is probably is not much brighter either but at least i can carry it with me.

thanks

 

[Search]

I've no idea exactly how many lumens my E2DL is putting out, but it's one of the very early version and is single-stage only, so I'm happy 🙂

:devil: I definitely have to agree!

Even so, I can't imagine there being a huge visible difference between my early E2DL and newer versions.

I wouldn't have cared. It being single mode made all the difference. It seemed as bright as every 200 lumen light I ever had. The TIR makes a huge difference.

Of course now mines got an XPG in it 🙂 blasphemy!

 

[THE_dAY]

Of course now mines got an XPG in it 🙂 blasphemy!

How is the XPG with the TIR in your light, is there less throw but more overall spill?

Does the top bezel tighten down all the way?
DeFABRICATA had mentioned in his post that the E2DL's top bezel had to be unscrewed to get good focus.

Either way, that is one bright setup you have there.

 

[Search]

Good question. It should be here any day now :thinking:

Speaking of the devil, Tim modded it for me. He said it has a small gap, but not that much.

He used a smaller board in mine, which allows the bezel to be screwed down even further. If you use the stock board, it will leave a slightly larger gap.

I'm hoping it comes today, but at 3pm I guess I missed it again 😡

How is the XPG with the TIR in your light, is there less throw but more overall spill?

Does the top bezel tighten down all the way?
DeFABRICATA had mentioned in his post that the E2DL's top bezel had to be unscrewed to get good focus.

Either way, that is one bright setup you have there.

 

[THE_dAY]

Thanks Search,

I'd love to here your impressions when it shows up!

 

[pm91]

the problem is that i don't see myself needing a weapon and this is somewhat socially unacceptable. maybe i will just get the lx2. that is probably is not much brighter either but at least i can carry it with me.thanks

Wow...you and/or someone considers the E2DL a weapon? And you'd rather not carry it because of that?

I never would have even thought of that, interesting perspective. Sometimes, I think I was born too soon and other times too late - this time I was born too late.

 

[nitebrite]

it is drawing 800+ millamps on batteries that are only at 3.02v(like a year old!). does that tell me anyhting about brightness of this light? or what electronics it has?

thanks.

 

[Bullzeyebill]

it is drawing 800+ millamps on batteries that are only at 3.02v(like a year old!). does that tell me anyhting about brightness of this light? or what electronics it has?

thanks.

Constant current buck regulated, so is probably pushing 1 amp to the LED, which is about limit of the XR-E.

Bill

 

[nitebrite]

now that i know it is being pushed as hard as it can be i guess it depends what bin it is. as to how many lumens it is. i suppose there is no way to tell what bin it is without taking it apart?

some people said the brightest ones were pulling 700 to 800+ma and the weaker ones were in the 400ma range. can you tell if it is the newer one if it is pulling 800+ ma? or did even the old xr-e's have serious output when pushed that hard. anyways, i can't really see a difference between mine and one someone purchased a week ago. so i guess that tells the story right there.

is there any way to tell what glass mine has? for all i know mine is the newer one. surefire said feburary of 09 but maybe some got out before then. i see some people said they had 2008 manuals with borofloat. my 2008 manual says pyrex. as we know the manual is not linked to the light. i wonder if there is a way to tell. i don't know if i need a new light to get borofloat if mine is as bright.

edit: i see cree stated in 2007 that the xr-e pushed at 1 amp made 210 lumens. mine was from the end of 2008. i guess that would explain. the ones with lower output were probably pushing about 1/2 amp then. now all i wonder is if there is a way to see if it has borofloat.

edit2: i can see the difference between a surefire with borofloat and pyrex. the borofloat has a dull mirror polish. the pyrex is very clear. people tend to say they are the same flashlight lens does not agree.


thanks

 

[nitebrite]

edit2: i can see the difference between a surefire with borofloat and pyrex. the borofloat has a dull mirror polish. the pyrex is very clear. people tend to say they are the same flashlight lens does not agree.


thanks

am i correct about the difference i see?

thanks

 

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The XPG in my E2DL is pretty sweet. It's definitely brighter than it was, but this is also considering that my E2DL is from the very first batch sold. The faulty single mode batches. There is no question it's a 120 lumen version, so it was a big step up for me. For people with 200 lumen versions the only thing you would gain is a bigger hot spot.

Luckily, thanks to Dafabricata, the head is no longer glued. Meaning with a twist I can focus it myself. Too loose and it is dim as most of the light is lost behind the lens. I've got it to the perfect setting where I have no rings in the main hot spot. It's as bright as my NB R4 drop in in my 6P (thanks to the TIRs ability to capture all of the light.

I do like the fact that if I tighten it all the way down it's a very floody light. It's basically now focusable 🙂

It's not loose enough where it will twist on it's own. It's kind of hard to do actually. I would recommend this in a heart beat to anyone with an older E2DL, however people with a 200 lumen version should realize they might loose a little throw, but gain a big hot spot.

Unless you changed to driver to something more like 1.4 amps, you wont get much brighter.

Thanks Search,

I'd love to here your impressions when it shows up!

 

[THE_dAY]

Nice! So now its focusable!

As bright as the NB R4 drop-in but with better runtime I bet.

Thanks for the update!

 

[nitebrite]

isn't the xpg like 350 lumens? that should be a huge difference.

edit: per cree's datasheet, 345 lumens at one amp.
i am confident mine puts out all it can since it is driven at one amp and the first bin did 210 lumens at 1 amp. yours should be brighter than 200 lumens. could someone comment on how the borofloat looks compared to the pyrex please?

thanks

 

[Search]

Yea it all comes down to the driver in the E2DL. My NB drop is only 250 - 300 OTF ran at 1.4 amps. The stock E2DL is 200 OTF. It really wouldn't be a noticeable difference to someone with a newer E2DL IMO. You would gain a bigger hot spot and maybe a tad more brightness.

isn't the xpg like 350 lumens? that should be a huge difference.

edit: per cree's datasheet, 345 lumens at one amp.
i am confident mine puts out all it can since it is driven at one amp and the first bin did 210 lumens at 1 amp. yours should be brighter than 200 lumens. could someone comment on how the borofloat looks compared to the pyrex please?

thanks

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

Wow...you and/or someone considers the E2DL a weapon? And you'd rather not carry it because of that?

I never would have even thought of that, interesting perspective. Sometimes, I think I was born too soon and other times too late - this time I was born too late.

That's just a sad mentality, isn't it? But that's reality, not everybody are born with the same freedoms.

 

[nitebrite]

i know people walk around with all kinds of things. i don't. i try to have others best intrest in mind and offend no one. thats just my choice. besides the lx2 is a lot nicer light. the bezel on the e2dl will tear up your pocket or poke you. well thats my feeling.

can anyone comment on how a pyrex lense looks compared to a borofloat? i can't really tell because my borofloat is on an orange peel reflector and the suspected pyrex is on a clear reflector. does it even matter?

thanks

 

[pm91]

double-post made in error.

 

[pm91]

please. it is made to strike and looks as if it were made for that purpose. i know people walk around with all kinds of things. i don't. i try to have others best intrest in mind and offend no one. thats just my choice. besides the lx2 is a lot nicer light. the bezel on the e2dl will tear up your pocket or poke you. well thats my feeling.

nitebrite - when I first read your post and even after reading it again, I did not get the impression this was your "personal choice", but something you felt socially compelled to do. Now that you've clarified that this is your personal choice, more power to you!!
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[nitebrite]

it is indeed my personal choice. i am also not influenced by others in this choice. no one told me to make that choice. to be honest i just don't like it that much. i don't know what it is about that light but it just seems odd looking to me personally. not in a scary sense either. it is just ugly imo. i will get the lx2 in the next few days. thats what i really wanted anyways. so instead of beating around the bush i might as well go get it.

i am pretty sure my e2dl is at least 175 lumens but the lx2 is what i really wanted. they did not have another 200 lumen light when i got the e2dl so it was the only choice for one that bright. i took what i could get.

i was wondering is there anything the size of a 2 or 3x 123 body that puts out really serious light? like that 4 xpg on one die deal? i'd love that.

i live in a rural area and to light up the road for a couple of miles is just real cool to me.

thanks