Newbie -- why aa vs. aaa vs. 123

dmills4229

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I am a complete novice to the whole flashlight thing. I stumbled on and owned a 4sevens Preon as my EDC until I recently lost it. Now I am looking for another EDC. I really liked everything about the Preon but it would ALWAYS get inadvertently turned on in my pocket. I am willing to try something a little bigger with a better control. I thought it would be a straightforward choice but when I started looking through the forums here I started wondering why folks would choose a flashlight that takes aa vs. aaa vs. 123. Seems like the 123 gives you the most power (I tend to like MORE POWER), but again I am a complete novice.
 
AA lights give you about 100-200 lumen per cell. AAA lights give you 50-100 lumen per cell. CR123 lights can be small and much brighter, 250 lumen per cell. However, CR123s are about $1 each online, or $10 in stores (Say, just before that big storm hits...so stock up!). In the end, there is no such thing as a AAA light you'd be sorry to have when you need light. Heck, the lowly Fenix E01 has saved plenty of lives.

All of these have 'rechargeable' versions. AA/AAA you should use Eneloop NiMH rechargeables; CR123 lights can usually use RCR123s for higher output, shorter runtime, and recharge ability. Not always! Be careful with them.

I daily carry a Li-Ion flashlight and a 1 or 2AA NiMH-using flashlight. This way I could scavenge batteries from most things.
 
If you want power and very decent runtimes, try looking at 18650 lights. Of course, it's always nice to have an aa or aaa light in your arsenal in case you decide to head out and forget your chargers.
 
It's about form-factor not power for edc. An edc needs to be comfortable. Ive carried a preon 1 with clicky switch and that was very comfortable to carry. I locked it out so it wouldnt turn on in the pocket. I now carry a WW mini 123. I love the tint of this WW mini too much so I edc it over the preon 1 but its not as comfortable to carry. I've also edc'd a Preon 2, MiNi AA-2 and a Fenix LD10. The Preon 2 and Mini aa-2 are by far the most comfortable clipped lights I've edc'd. Nice and thin. I wouldnt go bigger then those. I dont know how some people edc a fat 18650 light, to me thats insane. But then again maybe thats all they have for their edc system. I have other stuff and a fat light gets in the way. But this is just my opinion. Thin and light weight is better for edc
 
Yeah, for an EDC light, the form factor is a primary consideration.

Some people are fine with a 6" long light in their pocket, and some are driven insane if they can TELL if something is in their pocket....its a personal thing.

I have for example a Klarus Mi10 that puts out 80 lumens from a AAA cell (lithium ion primary) on my keys....very handy and very small form factor, barely larger than the AAA battery itself.

I also have a 500 lumen Xtar Meteor (WK21) running on a single RCR123, and about that size...an amazing little flood light that comes in very handy.

In my pocket, I typically also have a Klarus XT11 that takes a single 18650 or two RCR or CR 123's that can do ~ 850 lumens max, and a Zebralight SC600 that also takes a single 18650 and pumps out ~ 750 L.

The patterns of the beams are all different, so they each have a particular function.

Any one of them COULD be someone's EDC light for example....depending on the size and output/runtimes that make sense for them.
 
AAAs are primarily for size... keychainable.

Between AA and CR123s:
- Li-ion rechargables - AA/14500s have ~20-25% more capacity than 123/16340s
- Lithium primaries - 123s with twice the voltage will usually double lumens (~40% perceived increase) over AA/L91s, although there is a 3V AA/14505 lithium primary available.
- NiMh rechargeables - only available to AAs
- Alkalines - only available to AAs.
- Light selection - more options with 123s in the mid to higher end and performance markets
- Multi-cell lights - 123s usually have the option to run the venerable 18650 instead of 2x123s

I personally stick to AA lights running 14500s or Eneloops since all my other portable/emergency electronic gadgets and tools are AA-based and the commonality makes life simpler and with a deep deep back-up bench.
 
My edc is a klarus xt2c. I don't really mind it being there so each his own, I guess. Try the klarus xt1c though if something like the xt2c is too big for your taste. You might just like it.
 
I am a complete novice to the whole flashlight thing. I stumbled on and owned a 4sevens Preon as my EDC until I recently lost it. Now I am looking for another EDC. I really liked everything about the Preon but it would ALWAYS get inadvertently turned on in my pocket. I am willing to try something a little bigger with a better control. I thought it would be a straightforward choice but when I started looking through the forums here I started wondering why folks would choose a flashlight that takes aa vs. aaa vs. 123. Seems like the 123 gives you the most power (I tend to like MORE POWER), but again I am a complete novice.

You know, a lot of us here in the forum own EDC lights that take both AA's and 14500 cells. Why? Because with a 14500 cell, your flashlight will have about the same output as a light running a CR123 cell, plus you get the flexibility of using standard AA batteries you find just about anywhere.

THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS! 🙂

The usual top contender for this kind of light is the Quark AA 14500. You get great output, excellent runtimes, great warranty (10 years), and excellent customer service (should you need it). There are other lights too that take both AA's and 14500's just do a quick search and you will find them here.

Sample of such lights: Sunwayman V10A, Jetbeam PA10, and a whole lot more.
 
AAAs are primarily for size... keychainable.

Between AA and CR123s:
- Li-ion rechargables - AA/14500s have ~20-25% more capacity than 123/16340s
- Lithium primaries - 123s with twice the voltage will usually double lumens (~40% perceived increase) over AA/L91s, although there is a 3V AA/14505 lithium primary available.
- NiMh rechargeables - only available to AAs
- Alkalines - only available to AAs.
- Light selection - more options with 123s in the mid to higher end and performance markets
- Multi-cell lights - 123s usually have the option to run the venerable 18650 instead of 2x123s

I personally stick to AA lights running 14500s or Eneloops since all my other portable/emergency electronic gadgets and tools are AA-based and the commonality makes life simpler and with a deep deep back-up bench.

+1 on this! but no harm having some big boy lights running on 18650s! 🙂
 
My edc is a klarus xt2c. I don't really mind it being there so each his own, I guess. Try the klarus xt1c though if something like the xt2c is too big for your taste. You might just like it.

I just love the XT2C, you get the tactical feel of the XT11 and XT10 in an EDC package! This light is definitely in my "must buy eventually" list. 🙂
 
I just love the XT2C, you get the tactical feel of the XT11 and XT10 in an EDC package! This light is definitely in my "must buy eventually" list. 🙂

I share the same sentiment 🙂. In fact, I love it so much that I sold my xt11 and replaced it with something else but kept my humble xt2c. Looks better, feels better and such a powerful light for its size 🙂
 
Does anyone know if the output of the xtc increases if you use 2x 16340 as suppose to 1x 18650?
 
I thought it would be a straightforward choice but when I started looking through the forums here I started wondering why folks would choose a flashlight that takes aa vs. aaa vs. 123. Seems like the 123 gives you the most power (I tend to like MORE POWER), but again I am a complete novice.

It's not straightforward at all, I'm afraid. In most cases the CR123s will give you more power, but various drawbacks might not be worth the few extra lumens in the end.

AA vs. AAA
Pros:
— better energy density—one AA holds about 2.5..2.7x the energy stored in an AAA;
— lower voltage sag and better drain handling, which makes it possible to regulate an AA light's output by current—in other words, maintain constant brightness until the battery is fully depleted (usually not done with AAA-based lights).

Cons:
— slightly larger size and cost.

Well, that is pretty straightforward, right? Now let's move on to the 123s.

AA vs. CR123/RCR123
Pros:
— AAs (except lithium primaries) are the safer chemistry—they won't catch fire or pop unless severely abused, and they won't get you into trouble in airports if you're carrying more than a few;
— AA primaries (non-rechargeable cells) are cheaper and easier to procure than CR123s pretty much anywhere in the world, while RCR123s are virtually an online-only purchase;
— low self-discharge NiMH AAs (Sanyo eneloop line et al.) have much lower cost of energy;
— LSD NiMH AAs self-discharge slower than RCR123s and allow for more discharge cycles until significant permanent loss of capacity (however, lithium-based AA primaries and CR123s have equally low self-discharge that makes even the best NiMHs pale in comparison);
— more convenient form factor—1×CR123 lights are often too short while 1×AAs usually fit the palm/fist comfortably;
— rechargeable AAs have better raw energy density than RCR123s—up to 3.2 watt-hours, while RCR123s are below 2.8 watt-hours. Differences in voltage usually come into play, though.

Cons:
— alkaline AAs will leak if completely drained and left sitting in a circuit;
— 2x to 3x lower voltage compared to (R)CR123s, which incurs unavoidable additional drain and/or conversion penalties needed to boost power;
— (R)CR123s have somewhat higher drain tolerance compared to AAs, especially IMR RCR123s.
— top-capacity AA primaries (Energizer Ultimate Lithium) can be even more expensive than CR123 primaries—their energy density is similar, though (about 4.5 watt-hours);
— NiMH AAs are rather heavy compared to lithium-based chemistries, which might be noticeable when you're carrying several at a time.
 
Love my xt2c ! While many consider this a larger EDC, for me, it fits in my pocket just fine.

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One thing that seems to be missing from the great replies above is that the reflector of the AA sized flashlight usually is slightly larger than the AAA ones. That may translate into a slightly longer or wider throw of light.
 
It also depends on how you EDC it. In your pocket or in a holster? With a holster you can get away with a bigger light. I generally prefer AA lights because of battery options (Alkalines, NiMH, Lithium Primaries). I prefer Lithiums and NiMH, but if those are depleted while I'm out and about I can find an alkaline most anywhere, and even rob it from another device (such as a clock) if I have too. Plus newer LED's are so efficient than AA or even AAA batteries will give you great power and run times.

Right now I'm EDCing a 1x AA light and a 1x AAA light, which is my backup. The AA is usually in my pocket, while the AAA is in my cell phone holster. If I know I'm gonna need a little more oomph, I'll holster a 2AA light.
 
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There's a lot of misinformation on this thread. You can find very birght and very dim lights for every battery size. The things that matter about batteries are (in no particular order):
(1) Size
(2) Weight
(3) Maximum discharge rate, in Watts (which is the maximum discarge current * the nominal voltage)
(4) Capacity, in Watt-Hours (which is the tested capacity in milli-amp-hours * the nominal voltage)
(5) Is is rechargable?
(6) Self-Dscharge rate (lithium and alkaline batteries are generally going to stay ready-to-go for years, while most, but not all, NiMH batteries will discharge over a few weeks)
(7) Low-temperature performance (lithium and NiMH batteries work when very cold; alkaline and heavy duty batteries do not work when very cold.)
(8) Availability (AAs are easier to find at gas stations than are 18650s)

AA size batteries usually hold at least 2x and usually 3x the watt-hours of AAA size batteries. AAs usually cost the same amount as AAAs, so I always go with AAs when I can. (Even though AAs are bigger around than AAAs.)

AAs are very common, so

Primary (not-rechargable) 123A batteries were once the best batteries for energy density (watt-hours per kg) but have been replaced by 18650 batteries. An 18650 is almost the size of x2 123A batteries stacked end-to-end.

Primary 123A batteries almost equal rechargable 18650 batteries for capacity.

Most people here use NiMH or Lithium Primary AAs in some lights, and rechargable lithium 18650s in other lights. Some people still use primary 123A batteries, but I've weaned myself off them.
 
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