Noctigon Meteor M43

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chuckhov said:
Carl,

MTN is still waiting for their first shipment.

I'm sure that their 2nd shipment of the M43 will reflect the price increase.

Richard will be opening up pre-orders soon, I think.

Good way for someone to save 20 bucks.

-Chuck
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looks like we're not going to get a batch at the original price. RMM updated the price listing today.
 
The price had to be raised due to unforeseen manufacturing costs, which is understandable.

Quick question: Does anyone know what the cutoff voltage/built-in protection is for this light? Assuming there is built-in protection like most other lights out there, is there any advantage to purchasing protected cells? There seems virtually no way we would put the cells in the wrong direction since the button is pointed 'up' on all the cells.
 
carl said:
The price had to be raised due to unforeseen manufacturing costs, which is understandable.

Quick question: Does anyone know what the cutoff voltage/built-in protection is for this light? Assuming there is built-in protection like most other lights out there, is there any advantage to purchasing protected cells? There seems virtually no way we would put the cells in the wrong direction since the button is pointed 'up' on all the cells.
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My understanding is that this is a high-current light that really needs high-current low-resistance cells. Protected cells are low current ICR chemistry. You want high current IMR chemistry, which are all unprotected.

Basically, you should buy button-top Efest 35A IMR cells from Mountain Electronics, or comparable sells like the LG HE4.
 
Would I be ok to use protected orbtronic 3400mah cells in this light? I believe they cut off at 12.4amps. Do I risk battery damage if I decide to run these?


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Fireclaw18 said:
My understanding is that this is a high-current light that really needs high-current low-resistance cells. Protected cells are low current ICR chemistry. You want high current IMR chemistry, which are all unprotected.

Basically, you should buy button-top Efest 35A IMR cells from Mountain Electronics, or comparable sells like the LG HE4.
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Thanks Fireclaw. The Efest looks like the way to go.
 
From the Orbtronic website:

Purple 18650 Efest rated 35A or 38A is actually 20A cell.
18650 Imren 40A is actually 20A cell.
This is very serious safety issue.
Truth: There is no 35A, or 40A 18650 cells on the market.

I can't confirm this, just something I noticed recently.
 
the M43vn XPG DD is $180 - that 's a good deal considering he did some extra heatsinking and current flow improvements.
 
markr6 said:
From the Orbtronic website:

Purple 18650 Efest rated 35A or 38A is actually 20A cell.
18650 Imren 40A is actually 20A cell.
This is very serious safety issue.
Truth: There is no 35A, or 40A 18650 cells on the market.

I can't confirm this, just something I noticed recently.
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Is this another 'inflated numbers' issue again (previously seen regarding battery capacity but this time with current flow)? Really?
 
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They are 20A Continuous, and 35A "Peak/Momentary", or whatever they choose to call it.

I have heard that inside every Purple Efest 35A resides a LG HE2... Efest doesn't make cells, and nothing wrong with that. - KeepPower doesn't either, just to name another.

Thanks,
-Chuck
 
ok, I guess we can calm down again. Although I think the LG HE4 is the slightly better cell over the HE2 in testing - probably no difference in actual use.

Mountain only has the nichia M43 left. The stone white is not available from anyone at this time, it seems. VN said he doesn't have any stone white, and Mountain Electronics' ordering page brings up a flashing 'not in stock' notice when clicking on the stone white option.

I think this means stone white is the more popular color or Hank doesn't have as much of it in stock as dark grey.
 
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Toolboxkid said:
Would I be ok to use protected orbtronic 3400mah cells in this light? I believe they cut off at 12.4amps. Do I risk battery damage if I decide to run these?


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Kid,

I don't know much about batteries but based on the posts of others, it seems the batteries you mentioned are ok and won't get damaged but also won't give the M43 max light output since internal resistance is too high on non-IMR batts. Generally speaking, the higher the capacity, the higher the resistance, is how things have turned out with battery technology . This also goes for IMR/Hybrids which have slightly higher internal resistance over regular IMR but not as high as your 3400 batts. Your 3400 batts have high internal resistance which slows the flow of current provided to your light's driver.

Also, the graph below (see link) shows that as the battery voltage goes down from 4.2v to 3.2v as it discharges, the IMR actually has higher capacity in that voltage range. The hi-cap 3400mAh you mentioned only comes into play as the battery runs down below 3.2v - which would be getting into lower power mode usage like low or moonlight mode as the batts run dry - not what the Octigon M43 was really meant for. On Med or hi or turbo, the 2500 mAh IMR would actually be in the greater capacity range. I don't know why this is so, but that is what the graph in the link below shows.

In other words, spending $180 on a light which works best on IMRs is worth spending the extra $32 for 4 IMR batts.

See the graph link below but remember to click on the 5A setting since the M43 is usually going to be running higher Amps - the lower 2A setting will show that the Panasonic 3400mAh batt gives better capacity in lower Amp usage than the LG IMR - but I assume this Noctigon light will be used on the higher amp settings, being a high power light and all.

Now, if that graph just had the option to click on 10 Amps, that would probably show an even greater battery capacity advantage for the IMR:



http://www.dampfakkus.de/akkuvergleich.php?akku1=507&akku2=141&akku3=0&akku4=0&akku5=0&akku6=0
 
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carl said:
Kid,

I don't know much about batteries but based on the posts of others, it seems the batteries you mentioned are ok and won't get damaged but also won't give the M43 max light output since internal resistance is too high on non-IMR batts. Generally speaking, the higher the capacity, the higher the resistance, is how things have turned out with battery technology . This also goes for IMR/Hybrids which have slightly higher internal resistance over regular IMR but not as high as your 3400 batts. Your 3400 batts have high internal resistance which slows the flow of current provided to your light's driver.

Also, the graph below (see link) shows that as the battery voltage goes down from 4.2v to 3.2v as it discharges, the IMR actually has higher capacity in that voltage range. The hi-cap 3400mAh you mentioned only comes into play as the battery runs down below 3.2v - which would be getting into lower power mode usage like low or moonlight mode as the batts run dry - not what the Octigon M43 was really meant for. On Med or hi or turbo, the 2500 mAh IMR would actually be in the greater capacity range. I don't know why this is so, but that is what the graph in the link below shows.

In other words, spending $180 on a light which works best on IMRs is worth spending the extra $32 for 4 IMR batts.

See the graph link below but remember to click on the 5A setting since the M43 is usually going to be running higher Amps - the lower 2A setting will show that the Panasonic 3400mAh batt gives better capacity in lower Amp usage than the LG IMR - but I assume this Noctigon light will be used on the higher amp settings, being a high power light and all.

Now, if that graph just had the option to click on 10 Amps, that would probably show an even greater battery capacity advantage for the IMR:



http://www.dampfakkus.de/akkuvergleich.php?akku1=507&akku2=141&akku3=0&akku4=0&akku5=0&akku6=0
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Thank you for the info, very helpful. I ordered one with xpl's last night but they sent me a message that Nichias would better suit my taste. We will see what I get! Either way, I'll be happy. Looks like a new charger and IMR batteries will be my next purchase!


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I bought Richard's SupFire M6 mod. 2 that hits about 8A and picked up his button top Samsung 25Rs to run in it.

I'd try the LG HE2s next.

He says the M43 can hit 10A with things firing on all cylinders. Protection circuits generally kick in around 7A, so keep that in mind.

Chris
 
ChrisGarrett said:
I bought Richard's SupFire M6 mod. 2 that hits about 8A and picked up his button top Samsung 25Rs to run in it.

I'd try the LG HE2s next.

He says the M43 can hit 10A with things firing on all cylinders. Protection circuits generally kick in around 7A, so keep that in mind.

Chris
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Now then, it surely isnt 8 amps per cell, as they are mounted in parallel. More like 2.5 peak amps per cell, unless youre running less than the full complement of 4.
 
I just noticed an old post at BLF where Hank mentioned he will close sales when the current stock is out. Does anyone know what he was referring to? I can't imagine limiting production for any reason....
 
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dc38 said:
Now then, it surely isnt 8 amps per cell, as they are mounted in parallel. More like 2.5 peak amps per cell, unless youre running less than the full complement of 4.
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I'm not an EE, nor a flashlight designer, but the thing has 12 LEDs. I don't know what each LED is drawing, but 2A seems reasonable and doable, so 24A total? Four cells, that's 6A each, no?

Chris
 
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