Not seeing that swagger from the compact HID guys when they ruled the lumens world ;D

[ven]

The v54 version k60vn takes it a step further(not in output as its pushed out of the box), but shaved dome gives it a nudge over 200kcd and a beautiful beam it is imo.
Sure its measured at 4500 OTF lumens by vinh.

OP reflector that smooths the beam but eats a bit of kcd



Still cant compete in the distance, the xhp35 HI is good for 2500lm and 600kcd+ dependent on reflector size, the k70 and soon to be thrunite tn42 are a couple of examples for good LED throwers with decent output.............again though fall short of some of the monster HID's.

 

[ledmitter_nli]

^^^ Kowabunga!

We are finally there. and as mentioned above by staticx57, "....development of handheld HID solutions have all but stopped."

/thread

 

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond]

One of the benefits I see with LEDs over HID is that LED can step down in brightness from to any level without losing any quality of output. When you try to step down a HID the tint shift is pretty yucky and sometimes you end up with flickering as a lower power doesn't keep the gasses fully fired up.

That said I am so glad I got a Firefoxes4 when one came up in the marketplace. There's something about a HID that is just so much fun to use.

 

[scout24]

My current Throw King is a several year old Thrunite TN31MB from Saabluster. 400kcd, it really pokes a hole in the dark. I appreciate the work that went into it, it always does exactly what it should, and does it very well. It almost seems, well, sterile. Not in a bad way, just different. Firing up a big incan or an HID seems more like Doc in "Back to the Future"... "Stand back when we hit 88 MPH!" :twothumbs. Filaments, gaps, gases, envelopes pushed hard, etc... Back to the thread I hijacked...

 

[NoNotAgain]

One of the benefits I see with LEDs over HID is that LED can step down in brightness from to any level without losing any quality of output. When you try to step down a HID the tint shift is pretty yucky and sometimes you end up with flickering as a lower power doesn't keep the gasses fully fired up.

That said I am so glad I got a Firefoxes4 when one came up in the marketplace. There's something about a HID that is just so much fun to use.

Since you also have a Fire-Foxes FF4, you notice that if there is a color shift, it's very minor. To me, I see little in output change between the 24 and 40 watt settings. Boosting to 60 watts is another story though.

HID lights are a very specialized market light. If it's of decent quality the ballast and bulb are going to be close to half the cost of the light. Then add in a good reflector and the prices are going to remain high and you're not going to see a lot of development in a light that's going to have a limited market.

The crappy HID's sold via the auction sites don't do much to improve the real deal HID market. Sort of like the aspheric's being sold in TV infomercials. None of the major players in LED lights can be happy with having to compete against a $10 light.

 

[tab665]

in my opinion the whole led vs HID debate started up when the olight SR90 was first released. with its earth shattering 1800 lumens and 150k lux... lol. if your talking just plain lumens, then sure, you can get more output from an led light (all it takes is bigger leds, more leds, more batteries, and probably less lux). but the truth of the matter is that I bought a polarion X-1 in 2009 (when it was still a 40w version); 7 years later there still isn't a single emitter LED light that can beat it in both throw and output. the K70 has the edge in throw but not in output, the K60 has the edge in output but not throw. In terms of the output/throw I will admit that LED light have gained a substantial amount of ground on HIDs... the 35-40w hids. still a long way to go to catch up to the 70w class of HIDs though. lets look at the fact that we have a vinh fanboy (who will go un-named) selling off his vinh lights in order to fund purchasing a 70w lemax.

at the end of the day you will never be able to win this argument with me. even if there is some LED light out there that I don't know about does outperform the polarion in both output and throw my response will simply be "well its about damn time!!!"

edit: is that the swagger you were missing?

 

[PolarLi]

When a LED can do this, let me know

That HID arc is about 1 x 0.5 mm and is producing close to 19000 lumen. And it's all mine, muhaha :devil:

 

[ven]

i was waiting for an appearance, dont be shy, grace us with one of your out of this world(literally) beam pics please

 

[PolarLi]

Alright then

To sum that up: 55 000 000 candela from a 7.9 inch reflector, using the lamp above.

 

[Stereodude]

That's a pretty cool blue laser you have their. oo:

 

[ven]

WOW................awesome thank you.................is that the moon its hitting?:wow:

 

[ledmitter_nli]

in my opinion the whole led vs HID debate started up when the olight SR90 was first released. with its earth shattering 1800 lumens and 150k lux... lol. if your talking just plain lumens, then sure, you can get more output from an led light (all it takes is bigger leds, more leds, more batteries, and probably less lux). but the truth of the matter is that I bought a polarion X-1 in 2009 (when it was still a 40w version); 7 years later there still isn't a single emitter LED light that can beat it in both throw and output. the K70 has the edge in throw but not in output, the K60 has the edge in output but not throw. In terms of the output/throw I will admit that LED light have gained a substantial amount of ground on HIDs... the 35-40w hids. still a long way to go to catch up to the 70w class of HIDs though. lets look at the fact that we have a vinh fanboy (who will go un-named) selling off his vinh lights in order to fund purchasing a 70w lemax.

at the end of the day you will never be able to win this argument with me. even if there is some LED light out there that I don't know about does outperform the polarion in both output and throw my response will simply be "well its about damn time!!!"

edit: is that the swagger you were missing?

No, because now there's the implication that a multi LED thrower is unfair compared to a single arc HID, as if having an array of emitters is somehow a double standard. It doesn't matter how a particular light achieves its output, if the net result is a beam that is collimated enough and bright enough all within the same handheld form factor as the Polarion, fair is fair.

Bringing in some extraneous extra large sized examples with extra large sized wattage to argue superiority is kinda disingenuous.

 

[Swedpat]

But...but...but...can you set a newspaper on fire with your LED monsters?

Chris

Usually not. But actually Olight SR mini becomes too hot to hold the hand close in front of the beam not only at turbo mode but at high mode as well. A dark colored paper probably can be set on fire at turbomode.

 

[ShineOnYouCrazyDiamond]

I think one of the main discerning facts here is that HID is a point source light that LED has yet to achieve. So far to get the brightness you need more LED surface area, so more LEDs to get the same lux levels. Mutli or single LED setups don't really matter much - it's all about the end result and what you are trying to achieve. LED has a greater overall practicalness, but HID is definitely a stellar beam of light.