Not the best news from Surefire...

[litetube]

UHM, I think we are missing a HUGE elephant in our faces here people.

Do you all realize that we have a SF rep. actually talking with us here on CPF!!!!????

CPF successfully drove SF away from these forums a long time ago. Amazingly someone from SF has had the desire to come back and speak with us and give us a little insight into SF that isnt heresay and conjecture.

AND NOW HE IS BEING DRIVEN AWAY AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That is probably once again the last we will hear from Stuart and SF

Sorry for the rant here but for Gods Sake!!!

Hopefully Stuart will be back with more insight and info and won't be assaulted with anymore hostility??

 

[Federal LG]

Sincerely and respectfully:

If someone from a light manufacture can´t stand some critics, so I think it´s better they don´t participate in any internet flashlight forum.

I´m tired to see people here talking with Fenix, EagleTacs, Nitecores people and sales representants, and explaining their critics.

What´s the problem to do the same with a SF representant ?

 

[Outdoors Fanatic]

Sincerely and respectfully:

If someone from a light manufacture can´t stand some critics, so I think it´s better they don´t participate in any internet flashlight forum.

I´m tired to see people here talking with Fenix, EagleTacs, Nitecores people and sales representants, and explaining their critics.

What´s the problem to do the same with a SF representant ?

There is one big difference there....

Fenix, EagleTac and Nitecore's target market IS CPF.

 

[Federal LG]

There is one big difference there....

Fenix, EagleTac and Nitecore's target market IS CPF.

Go take a look in our "Do you have SF lights ?" poll.

There is THOUSANDS of SF lights in CPFer´s hands. Just because that, I think they should start listening CPFers.

And, if they´re target market is not CPF at all, why they´re here ?

 

[Size15's]

Thousands of SureFires - does the poll really 'prove' that?

Just becase we buy some of SureFires doesn't mean they should be designed or intended for us.

I'm of the opinion that anybody who buys a SureFire intending to modify it with an aftermarket rechargeable battery, or aftermarket LED drop-in etc - they are not SureFire's intended market.

A flashlight collector/hobbyist is far from SureFire's intended market.

 

[Federal LG]

No. You should read the thread poll, where I said: This poll does not have cientific value...

Respectfully, if CPF is not the target market from Surefire (like you guys said), what they´re doing here ?

If CPFer´s opinion doesn´t matter to SF (because we´re not their target market), what they´re doing here ?

 

[Size15's]

Why are people from SureFire visitors and sometimes even posters on CPF?
You may not believe it but SureFire employs people who are deeply interested in flashlights and illumination tools - passionate and dedicated to creating the best products they can.

People like PK are true Flashaholics and being part of the CPF community as a entity itself is worthwhile.

Online communities such as CPF are also a place to get a completely different perspective, discussion and interaction from core markets. This can highlight things that are more difficult to discover through other feedback mechanisms.

Opportunities to learn can come from the most surprising of places - even CPF! :devil:

 

[Federal LG]

Why are people from SureFire visitors and sometimes even posters on CPF?
You may not believe it but SureFire employs people who are deeply interested in flashlights and illumination tools - passionate and dedicated to creating the best products they can.

People like PK are true Flashaholics and being part of the CPF community as a entity itself is worthwhile.

Online communities such as CPF are also a place to get a completely different perspective, discussion and interaction from core markets. This can highlight things that are more difficult to discover through other feedback mechanisms.

Opportunities to learn can come from the most surprising of places - even CPF! :devil:

Again, you didn´t undestand...

If people from Surefire don´t want to suffer an "avalanche" of questions, opinions and critics, so they should not identify themselves as a Surefire representant.

I have nothing against Surefire people in CPF. Most of them have an amazing job, being in contact with awesome lights during all day, and some of them could be flashaholics, and could visit CPF, just like us.

But all this started because people said that we can´t scare SF people around CPF... and that´s not my point of view. Surefire people are welcome in CPF, as flashaholics, but once they identify themselves as Surefire representants, they should be ready to listen suggestions, critics and opinions.

If they´re not ready, so why they are here as SF reps ?

 

[Size15's]

Perhaps one of the challenges for any company representative on an internet discussion forum is that there seems to be little collective learning from experience - there tends to be lot of going over the same things over and over - mostly likely due to the growth of the community and churn of members. It's all well saying to people - check first before asking because your question has most likely been covered before - but the reality is that it's not always practical or straight forward to do this (even with the best will in the world).

The result can be that the same topics repeat themselves. It's more often the nature of things rather than a deliberate negative action.

So sure - company representatives should have a pretty good idea of what they're letting themselves in for when they publically represent.
There's also the reality that discussion boards are places people visit to help resolve the issues they're having with products.
If everything is fine why bother to attend a discussion forum when you could spend your time actually using your product?

I think that SureFire as a brand is a hot topic in flashlight communities and it takes a certain character of employee to volunteer to represent SureFire online.

Al

 

[Federal LG]

Nah... I quit.

Regards. :thumbsup:

 

[conan1911]

I have no problem with ANY critic. All I am trying to do is have a voice too. I appreciate Al backing me up but my main point is just having a voice from the factory to straighten out fact over opinion. Thats all.

Again, you didn´t undestand...

If people from Surefire don´t want to suffer an "avalanche" of questions, opinions and critics, so they should not identify themselves as a Surefire representant.

I have nothing against Surefire people in CPF. Most of them have an amazing job, being in contact with awesome lights during all day, and some of them could be flashaholics, and could visit CPF, just like us.

But all this started because people said that we can´t scare SF people around CPF... and that´s not my point of view. Surefire people are welcome in CPF, as flashaholics, but once they identify themselves as Surefire representants, they should be ready to listen suggestions, critics and opinions.

If they´re not ready, so why they are here as SF reps ?

 

[wacbzz]

I have no problem with ANY critic. All I am trying to do is have a voice too. I appreciate Al backing me up but my main point is just having a voice from the factory to straighten out fact over opinion. Thats all.

Then hopefully you'll answer my PM that I just sent to you...:ironic:

 

[Bucky]

Stuart,

Can you provide us with any information on the release date of the Titan T1A since that appears to be the new light that may be available the soonest?

Thanks, Bucky

 

[conan1911]

I just spoke with the Manager for that and he said it should start shipping to dealers by the end of the month.

 

[Bucky]

I just spoke with the Manager for that and he said it should start shipping to dealers by the end of the month.

Thank you very much for your response. Great news!

Bucky

 

[bullfrog]

Awesome news!

So..... any other lights shipping over the next month as well? 😀

Thanks!

 

[foxtrot29]

Thousands of SureFires - does the poll really 'prove' that?

Just becase we buy some of SureFires doesn't mean they should be designed or intended for us.

I'm of the opinion that anybody who buys a SureFire intending to modify it with an aftermarket rechargeable battery, or aftermarket LED drop-in etc - they are not SureFire's intended market.

A flashlight collector/hobbyist is far from SureFire's intended market.

Exactly. I have no other words.

 

[foxtrot29]

Awesome news!

So..... any other lights shipping over the next month as well? 😀

Thanks!

HAHAHA, we just never stop... We can't. It isn't out fault.

The fact of the matter is, we just love the product!

 

[saabgoblin]

Awesome news!

So..... any other lights shipping over the next month as well? 😀

Thanks!

Hey now Stuart, what are you doing wasting time on the inner web when you could be building my LX1, I mean our flashlights, get busy son. Seriously, I am only kidding and thanks for getting covered in cutting fluid at our expense and I hope that your child is feeling better. Have fun at the factory, I know that I would.

 

[JNewell]

C'mon, let's lock this one down. We go through this every year. 🙁