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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I find that I'm slightly less interested than I had been. I really like the idea of a very bright, dedicated Luxeon light in addition to a very bright incandescent. I would not feel secure carrying only one light. KT (Kogatana) and other CPF LEOs have constantly reminded us of the critical importance of backup, whether it's a gun, a partner or a flashlight.
Brightnorm
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I find that I'm *far* less interested than I was before. Nice light, if you can carry *only* one light, but I greatly prefer to have my E2, and either an Arc-LS, or a SureFire K1, at the same time. Three Nichia white LED's?? Yes, some very good applications, but once you've used a good Luxeon Star light, 3 Nichia's seem pretty wimpy.
Plus, it will likely be well over a year before there is a holster available for it, if the timing on the E2 and V82 is any indication.
The KL1 on an E2 just fits in a V82 holster; I'm sure from the pics I've seen that the A2 is far too long to fit the V82 holster
In my humble opinnion, a digitally regulated white incandescent is well worth the price of admission, by itself. The fact that there will also be 3 LED's for some low level area light is just a big bonus. I don't see the A2 as necessarily two lights in one and suggesting a back up be ignored. For those who want a white white light, this might be the ticket. I don't know this for a fact but having played with SF incandecents with a regulated power supply, it seems to me that if a regulator can keep the voltage constant at an ideal level, we're looking at some real potential.
Unknown to me at this time is to what extent the beam will be compromised with the reflector housing 3 LED's.
When you say you want backup. which back up do you want? In my mind, backup is duplication to some extent. Maybe the A2 should be considered as backup to another first choice of carry? It is certainly more versatile than most lights.
Unknown to me at this time is to what extent the beam will be compromised with the reflector housing 3 LED's.
When you say you want backup. which back up do you want? In my mind, backup is duplication to some extent. Maybe the A2 should be considered as backup to another first choice of carry? It is certainly more versatile than most lights.
if the switch isn't funky in operation and the incandescent beam quality is like a normal sf i'm there!
this will be an awesome light providing the bright light i need and low light for up close. for me it will be two lights in one and will replace my e2e as edc.
this will be an awesome light providing the bright light i need and low light for up close. for me it will be two lights in one and will replace my e2e as edc.
Ratso
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Don't forget the A2 is designated the Aviator not the "EDC-Master". I would think it should include a dim red LED (for preserving night vision) for reading maps in a dark cockpit.
How would you propose you activate the Red LED though?
I am waiting for the A2 as my finances won't allow me both an E2 and an A2, so I'll pay a little more and get the one with a regulated bulb and LEDs.
What would be nice (Hint hint Surefire and/or modders) is if there was a K head for the A2. Then you could have incandesent, 5mm LED, and Luxeon in 1 tidy package.
I'll still carry my Arc AAA, maybe my SLS too...but the E2 will be a nice adition.
I am waiting for the A2 as my finances won't allow me both an E2 and an A2, so I'll pay a little more and get the one with a regulated bulb and LEDs.
What would be nice (Hint hint Surefire and/or modders) is if there was a K head for the A2. Then you could have incandesent, 5mm LED, and Luxeon in 1 tidy package.
I'll still carry my Arc AAA, maybe my SLS too...but the E2 will be a nice adition.
Saaby, Saaby, Saaby, Do you want to put some bumper stickers in there on the reflector too?
I believe the reference to red was for all LED's to be red. BTW, I called SF today about the A2 and they don't have any prices yet but the gal said there are a bunch of proposed part numbers for the A2. I guess they will at least have numbers for other than white LED units? She did say the A2 is slated for release in late November.
I believe the reference to red was for all LED's to be red. BTW, I called SF today about the A2 and they don't have any prices yet but the gal said there are a bunch of proposed part numbers for the A2. I guess they will at least have numbers for other than white LED units? She did say the A2 is slated for release in late November.
Push tailcap in 1/3 for Red LED...2/3 for White led and 3/3 in for white light
Bumperstickers on the reflector? What would be the point
I was thinking in my mind that the super 3 position tailcap switch red LED model would have 1 red and 2 white...
Bumperstickers on the reflector? What would be the point
I was thinking in my mind that the super 3 position tailcap switch red LED model would have 1 red and 2 white...
Size15's
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The 3 LEDs "low output" beam doesn't need to be fully regulated like the main beam. Three LEDs running off two SF123As will give plenty of low output runtime.
After all, the main beam is the main beam. The A2 isn't a 3 LED light with a digitally regulated high output incandescent high output bulb. The A2 is a digitally regulated incandescent flashlight with 3 low output LEDs for navigational, map reading etc etc.
The main beams of the A2's I've seen were not flawed or troubled by the three LEDs sharing the same reflector bezel.
The LED modules will be available on their own and I'm sure we will see some interesting mods soon enough.
I have been urging PK to release new products as a complete system with pouches, holsters and spares carriers for sale at the same time as the new models.
the E1e+KL1 is fine. For the increased length of an E2e+KL1 over an E2e, I'd rather have an A2 for sure.
Al
After all, the main beam is the main beam. The A2 isn't a 3 LED light with a digitally regulated high output incandescent high output bulb. The A2 is a digitally regulated incandescent flashlight with 3 low output LEDs for navigational, map reading etc etc.
The main beams of the A2's I've seen were not flawed or troubled by the three LEDs sharing the same reflector bezel.
The LED modules will be available on their own and I'm sure we will see some interesting mods soon enough.
I have been urging PK to release new products as a complete system with pouches, holsters and spares carriers for sale at the same time as the new models.
the E1e+KL1 is fine. For the increased length of an E2e+KL1 over an E2e, I'd rather have an A2 for sure.
Al
It's unfortunate that PK's library of photos aren't available to us anymore. For those who didn't get a chance to see, the LED module itself loads behind the incandescent LA and can actually be removed with the light still functional in incandescent mode (or this is my understanding). The LED's are mounted on a PCB ring with smd resistors to drop the Vin to safe levels. Three flathead screws hold the PCB into the bezel and it will be straight forward to replace the LED LA with LED LA's of a different color or even IR & UV. This light promises to be a very versitile host and can be tuned for application specific use.
Calling it the Aviator is seemingly restrictive in a market approach, IMHO.
- Don
Calling it the Aviator is seemingly restrictive in a market approach, IMHO.
- Don
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I for one don't have much interest in a combo light but I do think the next big incandescent inovations are regulated lights.
For that, I'd pay a king's ransom but I really don't see much interest in the combo on the civilian side other than just having one. I'm sort of spoiled by the Arc LE, and KL1.
It'd seem that PK and the boys could easily whip up something. Having consistent output until the dying end makes me giddy.
For that, I'd pay a king's ransom but I really don't see much interest in the combo on the civilian side other than just having one. I'm sort of spoiled by the Arc LE, and KL1.
It'd seem that PK and the boys could easily whip up something. Having consistent output until the dying end makes me giddy.
Jeff,
Until and if the 5W Luxeons are available as well as harnessed to a tight beam, we still need to look to incandescent for any throw. Regulated for constant voltage and white light gets me perked up!
And at best, I'm just a civilian..........
EDIT: The only 5W I've seen was an under driven LS3 proto and the warm, greenish tint from that specimen was nothing to write home about.
Until and if the 5W Luxeons are available as well as harnessed to a tight beam, we still need to look to incandescent for any throw. Regulated for constant voltage and white light gets me perked up!
EDIT: The only 5W I've seen was an under driven LS3 proto and the warm, greenish tint from that specimen was nothing to write home about.
Tree
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Considering the two most used lights I have right now are the E2 and a PT Aurora, I can't wait for the A2. Although I'll probably have to sell all my other lights to buy it.
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Mr. McGizmoman,
The 5W Luxeons have promise but isn't a general limitation on tight LED beams inherent in their very design? Without reflector technology or bezel/lens refinement, it doesn't seem like LEDs are going to get there any time soon.
LEDs have lots of potential but perhaps aren't we trying to develop something that doesn't lend itself very well to what we'd like it to do? I just don't know.
In the meantime, bring on the regulated incandescents!!!!!!!
The 5W Luxeons have promise but isn't a general limitation on tight LED beams inherent in their very design? Without reflector technology or bezel/lens refinement, it doesn't seem like LEDs are going to get there any time soon.
LEDs have lots of potential but perhaps aren't we trying to develop something that doesn't lend itself very well to what we'd like it to do? I just don't know.
In the meantime, bring on the regulated incandescents!!!!!!!
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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good point Don. Also Al's point that this is primarily an incandescent with the added convenience of three Nichias that apparently don't compromise the primary beam. If it is as bright as the 6P with P60 or P61 then it will definitely replace it. I think I was assuming a brightness penalty for the regulation. (Is it fully regulated?)
Size and weight are big EDC issues for me, and I don't recall if those specs were posted. If you Al or anyone knows please post.
I will always carry at least three lights with me, the third being my keyring ARC AAAle.
Brightnorm
