Omicron-where things stand lately

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Hospitalizations follow new cases typically by about a week.
In the NY/NJ/CT tristate area, for the past few days we appear to have peaked in new positive cases, and the numbers are dropping. Hospitalizations are still increasing (due to the increases of positive cases recently). Hopefully new cases will continue to drop, and hospitalizations will follow suit.

It also appears that as Omnicron becomes more dominant, that Deaths, and ventilator rates are also dropping.

That's the good news for the day.

I switched to using N95 masks instead of the crappy blue surgical masks, when indoors and in public.
 

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Recognizing that all news sources are basically biased, yet this source works:

 

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Recognizing that all news sources are basically biased, yet this source works:

On balance, AP News and Reuters are pretty solid sources for original fact reporting.
 

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I think I have it. But it started with a scratchy throat Monday, got a little worse Tuesday, and yesterday I woke up with congestion and some chills and aches. Luckily I’m still totally functional, other than last night I woke up to some wild muscle aches and had to chug Tylenol to get back to sleep.

Went to get tested this morning and they turned me away because the line was too long. Everywhere else I looked was the same story or 5-7 day turnaround for results. Way to effectively manage a pandemic.

Working from home today. Still totally fine other than the sore throat and minor aches. Hope it passes quickly because I’m not optimistic about getting a negative test faster than the quarantine period ends.
 

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Another 30 second soundbite on the radio said the likelihood of being hospitalized with omni-cron is 90% less than with delta. That was a US study of like 70,000 cases or something. No word on jab'd or not jab'd but either that's good news.

On the bad news front, in another 30 second soundbite it has been predicted (by who I do not remember) that 50% of the population of Europe will have contracted a Rona by the end of February. WOW!!
 

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IIRC yesterdays news reported that 60% of the covid hospitalizations are by the unvaccinated. With that statistic, one would think that the vaccines are not particularly effective. BUT 75% to 80% of the population is vaccinated. That means that 20% of the population (the unvaccinated) make up 60% of the hospitalizations.
80% of the population, (the vaccinated) make up the other 40%.

The reports didn't differentiate any degree of severity comparisons.
 
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USSC halts the overreach.
If they hadn’t allowed it to go forward for healthcare workers, maybe we’d have more nurses available to work in California instead of putting COVID positive “vaccinated” nurses back to work to infect the remainder of the workforce. If a vaccine doesn’t make you immune, doesn’t provide protection from getting sick for any length of time, and you can still get other people sick, why is it considered a vaccine?
 

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I'm not finding any studies on how long omicron lasts on surfaces. The original covid-19 generally wasn't long-lasting, so soon into the pandemic getting it from surfaces was a secondary concern. Being that omicron is somewhat different genetically, it might be prudent if some studies are done. It wouldn't be entirely impossible that it lasts longer on surfaces, and that's helping to contribute to the spread.
 

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COVID has never closed our southern border. That's a decent start. Illegal immigrants and many fed employees are exempt from the inoculation. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
 

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If a vaccine doesn’t make you immune, doesn’t provide protection from getting sick for any length of time, and you can still get other people sick, why is it considered a vaccine?
If a keychain flashlight doesn't run for 48 hours on a 10440 producing 100,000 continuous lumens with lossless flood-to-zoom that can light an entire football field or pinpoint spot an object on the horizon at >10 lux all the while remaining at ambient temperature, why do we call it a flashlight? Might as well sh_tcan it.

Without vaccines we'd likely be in a far worse place - the unvaccinated are about an order of magnitude more likely to be in the hospital and again orders of magnitude more likely to suffer lingering illnesses or perish.
 

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How can one justify allowing 20-25% of the population to occupy 60% of the hospital beds? Simply because they chose to NOT get vaccinated?

I suppose that one could argue, certain religious freedoms, or freedom to choose. Perhaps if it wasn't so demanding on the heath care system, and causing others to have limited care due to the overburdening of our nursing and medical staff, I might agree. However, with our medical resources stretched as far as they are, I think that it is unfair for a relatively small percentage of people to endanger the lives of so many others because they choose to not get vaccinated. I suppose that a majority of them choose not to wear a mask either.
 

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Without vaccines we'd likely be in a far worse place - the unvaccinated are about an order of magnitude more likely to be in the hospital and again orders of magnitude more likely to suffer lingering illnesses or perish.

I agree that the vaccines have helped to a degree up until this point. However, with the vaccine mandate reducing hospital staff by getting rid of all who can't or refuse to get vaccinated, the hospitals are overrun because we have fewer staff during a surge. Then you add in the fact that the Omicron variant is resistant to the vaccine, and you have to ask was it worth it to get rid of help when it's needed the most. Then, to make matters worse, because of the staffing shortage, they are sending covid positive nurses right back to work.

It would be like being on a battlefield with an enemy advancing with overwhelming numbers. The general tells some of the soldiers to go home now, and then asks some of the enemy to joint your ranks. It doesn't make any sense to keep the mandates if their actions bear out that they are pointless.
 

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If they hadn’t allowed it to go forward for healthcare workers, maybe we’d have more nurses available to work in California instead of putting COVID positive “vaccinated” nurses back to work to infect the remainder of the workforce. If a vaccine doesn’t make you immune, doesn’t provide protection from getting sick for any length of time, and you can still get other people sick, why is it considered a vaccine?
Hmmm, are you suggesting that they allow covid unvaccinated nurses treat unvaccinated people who are hospitalized due to covid?

They could sing "cum bye yah" together. That's a boy scout campfire song. As they participate in a Darwin's theory of evolution, experiment.
 

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Hmmm, are you suggesting that they allow covid unvaccinated nurses treat unvaccinated people who are hospitalized due to covid?

They could sing "cum bye yah" together. That's a boy scout campfire song. As they participate in a Darwin's theory of evolution, experiment.
I'm saying I'd rather have a healthy nurse or doctor treat me who has some natural immunity from already having COVID but wasn't vaccinated than one who is vaccinated and carries a resistant strain of the virus now. You are assuming falsely, that getting the vaccine was the only possible way of attaining any sort of immunity. Nurses worked all through last year and the year before being exposed to the virus before a vaccine existed. They could be tested for natural immunity and go back to work. But no, the government says everyone must have the vaccine or they're definitely going to kill you and your grandma too. Give me a break.
 
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