One hour chargers???????????

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1) I saw a ONE hour Rayovac NiMH charger at a K-mart. Are these things any good?


2) I think Radio Shack also sells a ONE hour NiMH charger? Any good?
 
From what i heard on discussions regarding NiMH batteries and chargers is, you better get a charger with circuitry to detect battery voltage during the charging operation. NOT just a timer feature. Most of these "1 hour charger" or "smart fast chargers" really only operate on a timer. So if you're batteries aren't fully drained, then that one hour quick charge may be overkill for the batteries. Also, these timer based chargers really DUMP a shi!load of energy to charge them real quick...which is a bad thing in the long run - seriously reducing their useablity and chargeablility. This is a serios issue when these batteries cost 10-20 dollars.

I don't know much, and i'm sure a lot of my terminology is wrong, but all i know is the cost difference between the cheepy chargers and the really effective ones isn't much. I just bought a MAHA 204f smart charger and 4-1600Mah AA batteries for about 40 dollars. THat's about 20 or so dollars more than what Rayovac is offering, but from what i read in it's specifications, this thing packs the power for it's money.

The charger is capable of charging 2 sets of batteries independantly. It doesn't work on a timer, instead, it monitors the batteries during the charge then shuts down when it has reached it's optimum charge. It takes about 3 hours to charge 4AA 1600Mah batteries, and after it charges, it goes into trickle mode. That means it keeps "SLOWLY" charging the battery while it's left in. Since NiMH batteries have a high discharge rate, you won't have to worry about useing half dead batteries as long as you have them plugged in. The charger also has the ability to condition the batteries - meaning it drains the batteries down to 1 volt before it starts to charge them.

Well that's my review. I've just started using them in my digital camera and so far so good!

...Spend the extra 20 dollars and feel secure in your purchase. Wouldn't you only want the best for your power hungry equipment?
 
I have one of the one-hour RAYOVAC NiMH/NiCad chargers, and it is a smart charger. It can detect what kind of battery you stuck in it, and it will stop charging when that battery is fully charged. What's more, you can stick batteries of like type (NiMH/NiCad) but differing discharge levels in it at the same time, and it will charge each individual battery properly. Also, it will maintain a trickle charge for each battery, as well.

Just thought I'd drop a note, since I've actually read the manual on it. 🙂
 
Hi, Kris
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What size batteries will it accept ?
You mean that this is truly a load 'em and leave 'em charger, automatic full conditioning and maintenance - I really want something that does the lot. (I bet it's not suited for UK mains power ...... )

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by *something ridiculous ?:
Hi, Kris
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What size batteries will it accept ?

(I bet it's not suited for UK mains power ...... )

Jahn
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I've been considering the rayovac myself. Here is what I know.
It charges AA And AAA NiMh ahd NiCad.

It uses a 12v 1.5amp wall wart transformer, so as long as you can procure one of those you should be able to use it in the UK.
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there was some talk in another thread (i forget the name, search for 'rayovac charger' maybe?) that stated that these charges weren't very good for charging NiMHs, they would way over charge them...one guy said that he put fresh batts in the charger and it tried to charge 'em for a long time...trying to get them to 1.5V maybe?...this is the one that does rechargable alkalines as well, right?...
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by papasan:
there was some talk in another thread (i forget the name, search for 'rayovac charger' maybe?) that stated that these charges weren't very good for charging NiMHs, they would way over charge them...one guy said that he put fresh batts in the charger and it tried to charge 'em for a long time...trying to get them to 1.5V maybe?...this is the one that does rechargable alkalines as well, right?...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That report was referencing the older models of Rayovac chargers. These newer one hour chargers have only been around since Rayovac initiated it's "twice as long as alkaline" campaign.
 
I have just got an one hour charger last week. It's not Rayovac, it is GP brand. I think they're the same except the case.

It charges 1-4 cells (AA/AAA) indenpdently, thus it could charge batteries with different capcities or drain level. I don't think it has conditioning feature.

If you have Surge and use rechargeables, it is good to have 8 AAs charged within 2 hours - this is main reason I get this charger.

My previous fast smart charger took 6-8 hours for 8 AAs.

Alan
 
Originally posted by papasan:
there was some talk in another thread (i forget the name, search for 'rayovac charger' maybe?) that stated that these charges weren't very good for charging NiMHs, they would way over charge them...one guy said that he put fresh batts in the charger and it tried to charge 'em for a long time...trying to get them to 1.5V maybe?...this is the one that does rechargable alkalines as well, right?...
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The charger I was refering to was not the One Hour Charger being discussed on this thread. The charger I was refering to is the one that is supposed to charge all 3 battery types. It doesn't do well on the 1.2V batteries. The One Hour charger is only for the 1.2V batteries. (I haven't tried this one) TX
 
the Rayovac One-Hour Charger is NOT intended for rechargeable alkalines, and it clearly says so. It will handle 1 to 4 AAs (all NiMH or all NiCd), 1 to 4 AAAs (all NiMH or all NiCd), or 1 9V (NiMH or NiCd).

Based on the description above (lack of reference to the 9V), the Rayovac and the GP brand are not the same charger. They appear to have similar features, though. I recall no mention in the Rayovac manual about conditioning; only smart charging.
 
I just purchased a Quest Q2 charger and this was one the best purchases I have ever made. I took the advice from someone on one of these forums and they did not see any problem with using an older overnight NiCad charger to top off NiMHs. Well yes, this does work. But now, with my new Q2 charger, I can see that it never fully charged the high capacity NiMH cells.

To test this, I left the NiMH AA cells in the old NiCad charger for about 3 days. I then placed it in the Q2, and guess what, it needed another hour or two of charge time. I load tested them in the digital camera and it runs a whole lot longer (at least 50% longer).

This proved to me that you need a newer high tech NiCad/NiMH charger for these new high capacity batteries. Try the Quest Q2 as it makes a whole lot of difference. The old chargers do not cut it, no matter how long you keep them charging!
 
I bought the Rayovac charger. I'm happy, it operates as claimed. Yes the batteries do get warm, though not too hot to touch. I suppose there's a possibility it may shorten the life of them but at approximately two dollars a cell, the time saved is well worth the reduction in life. I really like the fact it charges each cell individually so I can mix and match cells at various levels of charge.
 
I also just bought the Rayovac charger, and I ditto your comments above. $30 at Walmart, and it comes with 2 AA NiMH batteries worth about 5 bucks. It comes with a hefty transformer, and it's got a massive heat sink on top. This must be how they get away with charging them so fast. I'm not sure about how hot they get, cause I just started cooking some now.

I like this charger. Even if you prefer a slower charge rate, it's nice to stick in your car. It could be very handy during an emergency, or just for say camping. 2 hours to fully juice up a Surge. That's faster than their drain rate. Not bad.

I'm going to eventually hard wire one to my car battery, and keep it inside the vehicle. Maybe in the glove compartment. My amp wires go right by there.
 
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I like this charger. Even if you prefer a slower charge rate, it's nice to stick in your car. It could be very handy during an emergency, or just for say camping. 2 hours to fully juice up a Surge. That's faster than their drain rate. Not bad.
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That's exactly the first thing I did with the charger is charge up eight batteries for the Surge (Panasonics 1600mah), where I then got two and a half hours runtime of nearly even lighting thruout the whole discharge.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Guy Guyer:
I also just bought the Rayovac charger, and I ditto your comments above. $30 at Walmart, and it comes with 2 AA NiMH batteries worth about 5 bucks. It comes with a hefty transformer, and it's got a massive heat sink on top. This must be how they get away with charging them so fast. I'm not sure about how hot they get, cause I just started cooking some now.

I like this charger. Even if you prefer a slower charge rate, it's nice to stick in your car. It could be very handy during an emergency, or just for say camping. 2 hours to fully juice up a Surge. That's faster than their drain rate. Not bad.

I'm going to eventually hard wire one to my car battery, and keep it inside the vehicle. Maybe in the glove compartment. My amp wires go right by there.
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Hey Guy, do you think that unit might be a pulse, or constant current charger? My experience has been that high currents by pulse aren't nearly as damaging to cells as you might think. -Going by heavy use in the last 3 years.

Btw-to easily find out, an old trick I use is to just hold a pocket AM radio (tuned in between live stations) next to the running charger to listen to to it's "heartbeat"-charging method.
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p.s.-I like your idea about hard-wiring it the the car.
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I hear a pulse - about twice a second. It's clearly audible, regardless of where I tune the dial. Just easier to hear if you're not on a live station.

Also, about heat. The batteries don't get much warmer than they do in my Maha C124S, which is a slow charger (C/10, I think). The heat sink seems to take up most of the heat as that area feels warmer than the battery casings.

This thing is interesting.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by vcal:
Hey Guy, do you think that unit might be a pulse, or constant current charger? My experience has been that high currents by pulse aren't nearly as damaging to cells as you might think. -Going by heavy use in the last 3 years.

Btw-to easily find out, an old trick I use is to just hold a pocket AM radio (tuned in between live stations) next to the running charger to listen to to it's "heartbeat"-charging method.
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The radio on white noise AM makes a heartbeat/tic toc noise about the frequency of a heartbeat. Does this mean it's a pulse charger?
 
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