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MIKES250R said:
I charged the battery charged 24+ hours. I did a run time test and the light never got hot just warm. However, it shut off in 25 minutes. There was some flickering during testing? I am recharging the battery and will do another runtime test to see if there is any improvement. Just for reference I am doing a run time test of my other two HIDs. My Dad has my POB or I would be testing it also.
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Hey Mike,

Take a volt reading on the pack prior to installing it or bettery yet, leave it on while charging so you can visually see what it is. The positive is the center contact. When I did my last and final runtime test yesterday, I got 40 minutes exactly. Since this was in the house, I decided to have a fan blow on it keeping it totally cold. Perhaps that's why it got decent runtime. At this point I wouldn't read anything into runtimes. Once the upgrade is released, all this goes out the window and we'll be up at 60 minutes.
 
Just for funzies I got 1 hour and 5 minutes on my AE 24 watt clone and 1 hour and 45 minutes out of my Microfire.
 
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PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS:
- WORKING ENVIRONMENT: -14 to 140 F
- OPERATING TIME: 180 MIN CONTINUOUS
- BULB LIFETIME: 5000 HOURS OF USE
- BATTERY LIFETIME: 500+ DUTY CYCLES
- WARRANTY: 1 YEAR UNCONDITIONAL
- WATERPROOF DEGREE: 1PX3
- OUTPUT: 24w HID Xenon
- BRIGHTNESS: 2400LM
- NET WEIGHT: 2LB

I only got 20 minutes on my second run this morning. Will send mine back as well.
 
Did the dealer ever say to anyone that they will take back our lights and replace them with the AC ones at no extra charge (other than shipping)?
 
gchronis said:
Did the dealer ever say to anyone that they will take back our lights and replace them with the AC ones at no extra charge (other than shipping)?
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Gchronis,

I only know this dealer stands behind all their products. If you have a problem, they'll make it right. How this will be done I'm not sure. We'll find out when this upgrade is soon available. I would imagine if you have a concern, email them from their website and ask what they'd like you to do.
 
On their website they claim 180 minutes. I think given the small size of the battery pack that 180 minutes is pretty much impossible. I think I would be happy with an hour though. I really like the light as its color temp and output are quite pleasing even if it is full of artifacts. It is one of the most ringy and chopped up looking beams on a whitewall I have ever seen but out in the field it is not that noticeable. If compared to my Microfire the bulb appears not centered well and the opening for the bulb is too large. I have yet to crack it open as I don't want to void any warranty. On the web site it also clearly states 1 year unconditional warranty. Hopefully whoever makes Oracle will fix a few of the bugs and send me a keeper.
 
Hey check this out I think I figured out how to get some pics on here:

http://picasaweb.google.com/mikes250r/RecentlyUpdated#

The pics are from left to right the 24 watt clone,the Oracle and the Microfire. The Last page is the Oracle and the AE clone.

First set of beam shots were taken on white concrete. The second two sets were taken on a white ceiling. The more I play with the other two lights the more I appreciate my Microfire. Sometimes you do get what you pay for.
 
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Wow they claim 180 minute runtime and 2400 lumens. Where did they get those numbers from? Try 1400 lumens and 45-60 minutes runtime...
 
gchronis said:
Did the dealer ever say to anyone that they will take back our lights and replace them with the AC ones at no extra charge (other than shipping)?
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I highly doubt they going to exchange the old for new model when it comes out.

24 watts = 2+ amps of battery drain. You would think you would get close to 45-50 minutes of runtime. If the charger is not charging the pack to 12.6v then the cells are not fully charged.

Mac
 
Here's the latest.

When left on the auto charger for 4 hours, final pack voltage is 12.05 - or so I thought. I popped it into the light and got about a minute of run time and it went out. I checked pack voltage. About 11.87. I plugged in the charger and read voltage while charging and it's initially about one-tenth of a volt higher and then I unplugged it. I read the voltage. It's 12.35! I popped it back in the light and got about 30 seconds of run time. Took it back out and read voltage of 11.64. Plugged in the charger for a few seconds then unplugged. I measure pack voltage and its 12.25. Back into the light and it gives me another 30 seconds. Something clicks in my brain about over-discharge protection circuits in batteries that I've read here in a few threads some time back. After each cut-off, if I jolt the pack for a moment with charging voltage, I get 30 seconds of run time. This is repeatable at least 10 times. I'm guessing the protection circuit is malfunctioning and once tripped, takes a micro second of higher than pack voltage to reset it.

The 120 Volt charger will not duplicate this scenario. It still always reads 10.35 or so.
 
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Looking around on Ebay, they have some very similar/identical 24W lights.

The descriptions for these lights:
tacticatlhid.com - 24W, 1400 lumens, runtime ?, 6k temp
No Brand Name - 24W, 1200 lumen, 45 min runtime, 6k temp
Night Hawk (Spider Fire)- 24W, 1400 lumens, 110 min runtime, ?k temp

They look pretty much the same as the Oracle. Oracle's 180 min runtime does not sound correct. The 2000 lumen output sounds a little off too
 
This 24W HID flashlight seems to be sold under at least 5 different names or retailers that I have on record with at least one retailer claiming a non-adjustable fixed focus.

Most seem to sell them with the optional 6000k color temp. It's likely only the Tactical HID 24W actually has the updated AC version ballast at this time since mine doesn't flicker at all and runtime is a consistent 60 minutes compared to my Oracle at 40 minutes. Obviously the Oracle is in the process of upgrading their stock, but beyond these two retailers, I'd be very weary purchasing from anyone else.

As for specifications, obviously some of the Oracle's are inaccurate to say the least. From my experience using it and taking into account the OP reflector, which seem to make it a more "all-around" type of flashlight rather than an all-out thrower.

I revamped the specifications for my Oracle below and tossed out the ones claimed and put a copy inside the case. So I'm going by these from here on unless things change or someone here comes up with something better or more acurate. I also think the Tactical HID 24w has 100 - 200 less lumens than my example of the Oracle.


ORACLE 24W HID SPECIFICATIONS

  • Output: 1200 lm - 1400lm of Xenon brightness.
  • 12V 2200mAh Li-ion Rechargeable Battery (40 min run- time).
  • Included one AC Charger​
    • Input: 100-240VAC, 50~60Hz​
    • Output: 12.6VDC 1200mA​
    • Connector: 5.5mm x 2.1mm male barrel plug ​
  • Included one 12VDC Car plug charger with 5.5mm x 2.1mm male barrel plug ​
    • Easy use for charging the 12V 2200mAh Li-ion Rechargeable Battery from car. ​
  • Charging time = 3 hours by either AC Charger or 12VDC Car plug charger ​
  • Entire unit constructed of tough aluminum​
  • Water-proof design IPX3 and suitable for any terrain. Do not submerge into water. ​
Specifications ​
  • Power and voltage Luminousness: 24W/12V​
  • Brightness: 1200 - 1400 Lumens​
  • Color temperature: 5000K​
  • Continuable illuminate time: 40 Minute runtime ​
  • Irradiation distance: more than 1KM ​
  • Bulb life-span: 3000 hours ​
  • Light starting time: 15 Seconds ​
  • Battery mode: 12V 2200mAh for 24W (HID-12V24W-BATT) ​
    • High quality 3 pcs Rechargeable Li-Ion 18650 2200mAh cells​
    • Capacity: 2200mAh (24.42Wh)​
    • Dimension (Diax H): 43mm(1.7") x 106mm(4.2')​
    • Weight: 7.7 Oz (218 grams)​
  • Battery life-span: more than 500 times​
  • Optical efficiency: 70LM/W​
  • Weight: 1.2 Lb (544 grams) ​
  • Flashlight's Dimension: 9-1/4" L x 1.9" D Head Dia: 3.0"​




    ​
 
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I don't know where you got your specs from but this is what the specs peviously stated:

ACCESSORIES:
- Rechargeable Lithium-Ion Battery
- DC Charger (Car Charger)
- AC Charger (Home Charger)
- Built In LED Micro Flashlight
- Professional Locking Hard Case


PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS:
- WORKING ENVIRONMENT: -14 to 140 F
- OPERATING TIME: 180 MIN CONTINUOUS
- BULB LIFETIME: 5000 HOURS OF USE
- BATTERY LIFETIME: 500+ DUTY CYCLES
- WARRANTY: 1 YEAR UNCONDITIONAL
- WATERPROOF DEGREE: 1PX3
- OUTPUT: 24w HID Xenon
- BRIGHTNESS: 2400LM
- NET WEIGHT: 2LB

This came straight off their web site at time of purchase which was last Wednesday. At any rate mine has been charged over 5 times and still will not run longer than 25 minutes and it flickers quite a bit. I called AAC and they said to send it back and they would swap it for a new one , one that has been run tested.
 
I received mine today and after charging the battery I got 11 minutes before it flickered out.
This light definitely has a design flaw.
My guess would be that the battery pack is not supplying the proper voltage and or current.
But I'm just guessing.
 
Larry, I think the same thing. Something's haywire in the circuitry in the pack, probably the over-discharge circuit tripping early.
 
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Supposedly these lights are from the same family as the "Tactical HID" but I don't remember hearing any reports of battery or run-time issues with those. I wonder what the deal is?
 
Ok, just got mine. Charged it up. It was red, then went to green after about 10 minutes. That's all good. I have it running for another 10 minutes now and it started flickering. I just emailed them and it's going back. I will consider buying the AC version later, but I'll wait to read some reports first. I am really irritated with this thing.

I also have the Tactical HID 35W. That one works just fine.
 
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