Oracle 35W HID

Windstrings, thanks for the info. This is my first HID and I am very impressed with it. Looks like I will keep the reflector but a few new lenses may be in its future. I opened up the ballast by removing the lamp end and it is fully potted so it will a CPF enthusiast to modify one. :poke:
 
I was told a new ballast and bulb cost 65.00... so the worst that could happen is you have to buy another.

Let me know what you find out.

Although hitting the bulb with more voltage will give more light, it never seems to be the payback you would expect.

In other words.... Once your so bright, you "really" have to crank up the lumens to make a notable difference to the naked eye as it tends to adjust anyway to some degree.

You will basically see no more than you saw before.. but just better "if that makes sense".

Most of the time you pay a big price in energy from the battery for the amount of light you get. You could literally cut your runtime in half and notice every little difference.

A good example is the present settings of 28 and 35W... if you closed your eyes and opened them and I asked you which setting I was on, you would prob guess wrong 50% of the time. "or right".

If you figure out a way to leave the lower setting at 28W or maybe turning it up will raise them both?

I could see the usefulness of having the lower setting at 35W and the higher at 45 or so.

That way you could run it on the lower setting all the time unless you just wanted to show off.

I suppose I would do that now if I thought I was going on a long trek enough to risk running the battery down.. but so far, high is the only way I use it!
 
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Windstrings
Comparing the three, it appears the 35 watters are simply playing games with how they throw the lumens, but if you could gather the light from both on all points and measure it, I think they both put out the same, even though the throw characteristics are quite different.
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This is a pretty big statement but I generally tend to agree with this for 35W lights which are under $500. The 35W Polarion X1 and Xeray would probably show higher numbers than my group of lights below but I think Windy makes a good general observation.

Here are some lux readings of a few 35W I recently checked.

K3500R "3500" lumens 144.4 lux
N30 "3200" lumens 152.6 lux (borrowed from my bro)
X990 3200 lumens 154.0 lux
POB 3000+ lumens 159.0 lux





MAWilson, there is really no way to take a 28-35W ballast and "mod" it into a 50W ballast. It's just not possible. I you meant a 50W mod by installing a 50W bulb, that's also not going to do anything other than give you a terribly under driven 50W bulb. When it comes to 50W options you'll have to either look at new lights that where designed at 50W like the Xeray50 or install a 50W ballast and bulb in an automotive based spotlight.

I think it would be great if we had more 50W mainstream product options from manufacturers but unfortunately we don't. Even Polarion has stopped making their 50W model which has to make it one of the rarest factory offerings in existence....... 20-30 lights perhaps?
 
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The Xeray has a bigger reflector and is excellent quality and the Polarion has an "extremely" polished reflector and maybe a tad bigger too without doing my homework. Both cost big bucks compared to the Oracle and are more "spotlights" than flashlights.

A good quality bulb can be overdriven. The 75W Barnburner uses a 50W bulb and does just fine, but its a very good quality bulb.

So I would think even a cheap 35W bulb could take a 40 - 45W hit.
But Whether the ballast will do the job is a whole different story.

If you can trace who makes them maybe they will tell you, otherwise its experimentation... but yes, many ballast have a pod that can be adjusted inside thus cranking up their power.


Based on how thier made, they may have a runtime limit due to heat if adjusted so.
 
The Polarion is quite a bit smaller percentage wise Windy. 3" compared to 4.25" I really wasn't referring the the Xeray and Polarion having higher output due to their reflectors but mainly due to ballast efficiency and true power output.




Regarding those few ballasts that actually have an output adjustment dial, here is one example of how that can go:

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2471192&postcount=187

http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showpost.php?p=2473460&postcount=195

All of page 7 of this thread:
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=196233&page=7
 
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I measured my Oracle.... the reflector is only 2.75 inches in diameter for my 35Watt.

It would be fun to see a shootout.

Dollar per dollar, you get alot more lumens with the cheaper lights.... but its whether you want a Cadillac or a beetle.

The Oracle is allot of light for the money though...but so is the L35 and I like them both and they are really an apple and an orange... I guess the Oracle is the orange since it has the peel!

The higher end lights are much better, but I can't say "you get what you pay for" because some of those lights cost close to ten times more or thereabouts and still aren't waterresistant as is the Oracle.

At least with the Barnburner you see a physical difference in lumens.... the difference between the others is rather subliminal and when you see shootouts, its often take allot of study to determine which light is which.

It takes more money to have lots of lumens with a small reflector.... that being said, the small reflector of the Oracle does an outstanding job.

When comparing lights of the same power, yes some ballast are more efficient, but not enough you would notice IMO.
 
Thanks guys, this is great info. Forgive me as I am a ChE not an EE but have been known to tinker with a soldering gun. I do alot of custom chip tuning for hot rod cars, mostly Ford, a majority are supercharged or turbo'd. People spend 1000's on bolt-on parts and then I make them run right :twothumbs I have tuned some wild stuff, 980Hp Mustang, 550 Hp Focus, 1400Hp Viper, etc, so I know a bit about car electronics and reprogramming chips.

I love my Oracle 35W and am just curious about mods, all talk at this point. I was thinking a 50W bulb and upgrades to the ballast to handle it. Not really sure how this type of light works electrically, are there any posts where a mere ChE can learn some HID circuitry basics?

Btw, what is the conversion for lumens to Hp? :crackup:
 
Most of what I have learned are in post where people are doing cutting edge lights and or mods.
Dan who manufactures the Xeray ballast that powers his 35W, 50W and 75W has shared a tremendous amount of info over many threads.

Do a search for "barnburner" and you will find plenty... that refers to his 75W version.
But there are many other threads too.

Its a bit easier to overdrive a HID bulb than it is to put a 50W in and under-drive it. The latter will cause it to either not fire, or have to be refired upon occasion and maybe even display artifacts as all the material in the bulb may not get properly vaporized.

If you figure out a way to crank up the ballast, I would keep the same bulb unless you finally toasted it and then wanted to experiment with a 50W bulb... but thats just my opinion.

The reason I say that is, unless you can get a good clean 50W to hit a 50W bulb with, I would rather overdrive a 35W.
 
Re: Oracle 35W HID-battery?

Hi,
I've been looking into purchasing either the 24W or 35W version of this Oracle HID but I'm concerned with the battery issue. I've read on the 24W thread that runtime isn't what it should be and after repeated cycles the runtime can drop significantly. Is anyone having battery issues with the 35W Oracle HID?

Thanks!
Tom
 
I've been following the two lights from a distance and it seems that all of the problems were with the early 24W DC lights. I've considered buying the 35W light just because others seem so pleased with it.
 
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My only gripe with the Oracle 35Watt is its really too long to store in the car unless its in the back somewhere... too long for glove box or console.
But I suppose it would fit in my boat nicely.

But it is a handsome beast... especially at that price.
 
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My only gripe with the Oracle 35Watt is its really too long to store in the car unless its in the back somewhere... too long for glove box or console.
But I suppose it would fit in my boat nicely.

But it is a handsome beast... especially at that price.
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I dont have one of these (yet?) but if I did, I'd keep it under the seat.

PS. was any progress every made with getting a run on a pure mirror reflector? Someone mentioned something about that early on in this thread.
 
Hi everyone, first post here, I've bough this flashlight (Oracle 35w HID) about 7 weeks ago. i love this light but i get battery issues. The battery self discharge at a very high rate.

I fully charged the battery when i received the flashilight and did'nt used is much. The voltage was 12.6v
The last week (6 weeks later) , i needed to use the flashlight. the flashlight turn itself off after 15 seconds.
The voltage was 11.1v.

I thinked, Probably the button get "on" alone in the box, and the flashlight discharged.

I fully charged it the last week to 12.6v, and put the battery on the tablet.
Today (1 week later), i take out the flashlight. It self turn off after 2 minutes... Another voltage of 11.1v

Am i alone with battery isues on Oracke 35w ?
I know that some problemes ocured with the 24w but not with the 35w.
 
I've heard of no self discharge issues with either the 24W or 35W Oracle lights. Li-ion batteries should last 6 months or even much longer without self discharging. Your light definitely has a problem with its circuit somewhere and should be send back for warranty repair or replacement.

Sorry to hear that you're having trouble.
 
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Oracle 35W HID?

Hi everyone guys!
I'm new in this forum. I am looking for a long-throwing HID flashlight that can throw up to 3000 lumens... I was checking the Oracle 35W, which is very cheap. anyone has it or tested it?
thanks!
 
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