P60 Host - Like Seraph Unmarked OEM

[Mark@LF]

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Good to hear your staying in production.
P60 lights (hosts) have tapered off alot by manufactures..this leaves a great opportunity for Lumens Factory

Make a 21700 P60 host Mark, I'd buy 2 or 3 three and I'm confident there are about 100 people here that would do the same.
a 21700 light is negligible on size difference to a 18650 light with 50% greater runtime and not to even mention ability to sustain Amps.

Lumens Factory 21700 P60 host Mark, really

Well, I thought about it a couple years back but I don't think I will design a 21700 P60 host anytime soon.
As I mentioned, I am understaffed at the moment and has a lot of stuff piled up before I can really get on a project this big.
But I am open to the idea and I will look into the possibility again when my hands are a little less tied up.

 

[Mark@LF]

hopefully making more sp-9s as well. Having that extra cell makes a big difference

Well, we still have SP-9 stocks and is not planning on discontinuing it at all.
So no worries on the SP-9 department.
I like 3 cell lights personally for the same exact reason.

 

[Lips]

(shipping is still $18.50 for up to 5 items)

That's a good deal for 5 items if they are lights or such. Not so much for small parts as it goes way up over 5 items...

And ya, their shipping options need updating. It's held me back from many purchases.

My last Lumens Factory order was $215 for lens and bezel-rings for Cryos Heads. $30 to ship with little weight. Came fast but ouch!

$18.50 to ship one Seraph $18 light. Ouch! Needs some fine tuning in that department...

My 4th "clone" arrived with a terrible drop-in unlike the first three. The light itself is as good a copy as some of the "COPIES" of some the Surefire's I've seen!

Also an expensive laser available with this clone host...



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[Monocrom]

Can't see the pic. it didn't come through your post.

 

[pomu]

It seems that SERAPH has switch tail currents of 2A and 3A, but does that mean that 3A is slightly brighter? Will replacing it with an MCCLICKY switch (12V, 4A) increase the brightness a little more?

I know that MCCLICKY switches have a good click feel.

 

[Mark@LF]

That's a good deal for 5 items if they are lights or such. Not so much for small parts as it goes way up over 5 items...



My last Lumens Factory order was $215 for lens and bezel-rings for Cryos Heads. $30 to ship with little weight. Came fast but ouch!

$18.50 to ship one Seraph $18 light. Ouch! Needs some fine tuning in that department...

My 4th "clone" arrived with a terrible drop-in unlike the first three. The light itself is as good a copy as some of the "COPIES" of some the Surefire's I've seen!

Also an expensive laser available with this clone host...



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Can't really say much on the Shipping Cost as I am completely fed up with the USPS losing packages and I have to replace them for angry customers hence making me LOSE money instead of making money which defeats the purpose of running a business.

That is why I choose to use FedEx, but their flat rate is $18.50.
They are safe and reliable, not to mention basically delivers the orders within 3 working days.
So many customers actually like the service.

But I do hear you and I will see if there are other options available.
Some customers don't mind to wait a couple weeks and want a cheaper shipping rate, so I will explore other shipping options that I might be able to offer.


As for your "terrible drop-in unlike the first three", I think it would be pretty safe to say the drop-in from your "first three" in your first post with all the exposed electronics, oxidized spring and grime all over the most sloppy soldering job that I have seen in years together with a XPL which is a 10 years old LED is already extremely terrible. If your 4th clone drop-in is worst than that piece of garbage then I really can't imagine what LED it use and what it looks like.

Cheers.

 

[Mark@LF]

It seems that SERAPH has switch tail currents of 2A and 3A, but does that mean that 3A is slightly brighter? Will replacing it with an MCCLICKY switch (12V, 4A) increase the brightness a little more?

I know that MCCLICKY switches have a good click feel.

The Lumens Factory SP-6 and SP-9 Seraph all have Forward Clickies that can handle 3A current.
Well, except the very first 2009 version that has a "max 2A" engraved in the tailcap.
Those early versions has the 2A Tailswitch.

It does not affect the brightness.

To be honest, unless you are using something crazy custom that has a very high current draw the standard 3A Tailcap should be enough for most off-the-shelf P60 drop-ins available on the market today.

From what I understand the McClicky is 6A@12V and it is indeed a really good tailcap.

Cheers.

 

[Mark@LF]

Well, with all the replying done.
I worked this weekend and got the new SP-6 Gen 2 and SP-6M Hosts and Lights released.

The new SP-6 Seraph Generation 2.
With improved fitment, contact, machining, anodization, threads than our previous versions.
Redesigned Head Unit (Slightly but enough to keep the design)
Now using a Black Tailcap Boot since users seems to prefer a Black Boot more than the original Hunter Orange Boot.

A new addition to the SP Series lights is the SP-6M.
Well, basically a 4 part light that can be used as either a 1 cell or a 2 cell light.
The "Lower tube" can be used as a 1 Cell Extender for Surefire P/C/G/Z Series Compatible lights.

Cheers.

Mark

 

[pomu]

The Lumens Factory SP-6 and SP-9 Seraph all have Forward Clickies that can handle 3A current.
Well, except the very first 2009 version that has a "max 2A" engraved in the tailcap.
Those early versions has the 2A Tailswitch.

It does not affect the brightness.

To be honest, unless you are using something crazy custom that has a very high current draw the standard 3A Tailcap should be enough for most off-the-shelf P60 drop-ins available on the market today.

From what I understand the McClicky is 6A@12V and it is indeed a really good tailcap.

Cheers.

thank you for your reply.

Does this mean that Lumens Factory Seraph SP-6 was the original product that was sold first?

From what I remember, there were products that appeared to be copies of the Lumens Factory Seraph SP-6 with logos of skyray, surelight, ThruNite, etc.

Please tell me more about the copy product. Are those brands manufacturers? Did someone somewhere put their logo on it and sell it?

I think a flashlight is made from a collection of parts, like a car or a computer.

By telling the members of candlepowerforums what exactly the copy product is, we will be able to convey the appeal of Lumens Factory Seraph SP-6.

 

[Mark@LF]

thank you for your reply.

Does this mean that Lumens Factory Seraph SP-6 was the original product that was sold first?

From what I remember, there were products that appeared to be copies of the Lumens Factory Seraph SP-6 with logos of skyray, surelight, ThruNite, etc.

Please tell me more about the copy product. Are those brands manufacturers? Did someone somewhere put their logo on it and sell it?

I think a flashlight is made from a collection of parts, like a car or a computer.

By telling the members of candlepowerforums what exactly the copy product is, we will be able to convey the appeal of Lumens Factory Seraph SP-6.

Hi Pomu,

Yes, I started designing the Seraph SP-6 and SP-9 in mid-2007.
Took a lot of effort and time to complete the design.
It was officially released on April 2009.
https://www.lumensfactory.com/en/news_detail.php?id=22&yr=2009

There are threads here on CPF talking about the Seraph SP-6 and SP-9 which all precedes any discussions of the various clones and copied that appeared after it's release.

As I mentioned a couple post back, there seems to be quite a few different makers of these clones and copies.
Each with different logos, anodizing colours, tailswitch internals and tailcap boot.
Some did a poor job on copying the design and it looks odd, namely the tailcap design which needs more processes in machining.

These different copies are not consistent, especially with some of them not having the same threads, so they are not compatible with the Surefire P/Z/G/C parts like the original Seraph SP-6 and SP-9.
So that together with the other evidence solidified my believe that the different copies are made by different sources.

I do not know exactly how many different copies that there are.
I have seen at least 5 different ones myself, but hasn't seen any new ones in the last 6-7 years until that "Surelight" on the first post of this thread.
The original thread starter "Lips" received an unmarked light, so it would suggest that the product photo's "Surelight" logo could have been photoshoped. Which it surely looks to be.

This basically sums up what I know about the copies.


Cheers.

Mark

 

[Lips]

The new SP-6 Seraph Generation 2

New ones look fantastic!



My 4 copies. The last one on the right came from a different source; drop-in is trash and actually stinks with a strong electronics odor.

First drop-in on the left.

Can't tell what emitter that is on the left.

 

[pomu]

Hi Pomu,

Yes, I started designing the Seraph SP-6 and SP-9 in mid-2007.
Took a lot of effort and time to complete the design.
It was officially released on April 2009.
https://www.lumensfactory.com/en/news_detail.php?id=22&yr=2009

There are threads here on CPF talking about the Seraph SP-6 and SP-9 which all precedes any discussions of the various clones and copied that appeared after it's release.

As I mentioned a couple post back, there seems to be quite a few different makers of these clones and copies.
Each with different logos, anodizing colours, tailswitch internals and tailcap boot.
Some did a poor job on copying the design and it looks odd, namely the tailcap design which needs more processes in machining.

These different copies are not consistent, especially with some of them not having the same threads, so they are not compatible with the Surefire P/Z/G/C parts like the original Seraph SP-6 and SP-9.
So that together with the other evidence solidified my believe that the different copies are made by different sources.

I do not know exactly how many different copies that there are.
I have seen at least 5 different ones myself, but hasn't seen any new ones in the last 6-7 years until that "Surelight" on the first post of this thread.
The original thread starter "Lips" received an unmarked light, so it would suggest that the product photo's "Surelight" logo could have been photoshoped. Which it surely looks to be.

This basically sums up what I know about the copies.


Cheers.

Mark

thank you for your reply.

I think the only countermeasure is to create some kind of uniqueness.SOLARFORCE seems to have gone out of business, and recently manufacturers like CONVOY that are based on customization are emerging.I think it has to do with design, innovative inventions, lower prices, etc.
I'm sure some people want a larger capacity battery, but a light that can mount two P60 drop-ins might be interesting if it's technically possible.

In any case, it's amazing that you are offering P60 standard lights to consumers.

New ones look fantastic!



My 4 copies. The last one on the right came from a different source; drop-in is trash and actually stinks with a strong electronics odor.
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First drop-in on the left.
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Can't tell what emitter that is on the left.
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Is the LED on the XP-L on the left a fake? Is it possible that KAIDOMAIN LEDs contain counterfeit products? I thought it was a highly reliable shop in China.I think the LED on the right is LATTEICE BRIGHT.

 

[yellow]

Wow,
I totally missed those were, are, custom designs and only saw them as cheapo made p60 hosts.

That typed, for me: too long.
Original 6P, modded to 18650, anytime over this design.

Make them shorter.
No unneccesary "edges" (helping noone in any way) at the front and at the back.
And round, so when pocketed easier on material + user

 

[muichimon]

Did Lumens Factory discontinue incandescent lamps? All incandescent lamps in the Lamp Module category of the online store are now US$0.00. Either that or they are preparing to switch to a new version?