P60 sized led drop-ins (part 3)

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KD has a drop-in using an Osram KW CSLNM1.TG emitter.
Long name for an emitter, but its small size will make it a good thrower.

up to 9V

 

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Hello everyone, first post here. Working on assembling my first P60 build as I've been a using the platform for a while now. I bought the pill from Kaidomain, and wanted to try this driver, linked below, because I like the option for high only and low/high or high/low. I got a SST-20 5000k, because I have the 4000k and love that and a 519a 3500k to try. Just wanted to see if there are any good LEDs you guys recommend that's compatible with the driver. Thanks!

 

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Any chance of using one of these to modify a Great Neck 3202B 2xAA? Not the 32021 version which is adjustable focus.

The little incan bulb stabbed into the plastic in the front of the body is dim, with a terribly blotchy flood with a dark spot in the middle. It's also super dim even with a pair of fresh alkalines.

It was a cheap aluminum light but it's still sturdy and water resistant. If only it was anything like a good flashlight... ;) With any sort of functional LED upgrade I'd use it and abuse it, unlike the pricy Olight i5T Plus, of which I have four. (They had a sale, on a set of four different colors, with the 'pebble' grip texture!)
 
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Followup on the Osram drop-in.
Ordered up a couple since they were only $13, they arrived last week.
They came soo quick that I wasn't sure what it was, actually looked at the name to see if it was my neighbors...

The beam is what you'd expect with a distinct hotspot, but the OP reflector actually works well with it giving some usable spill.
got the 1-mode jobberoo,, tested in a 2x18500 host, tint filter.

Even though there are many quality dedicated weaponlights now, most will lose the plot after 20 yards.
These will acquire waaay past that.

Before anyone gets jumpy about weaponlight mentioning,, understand where Surefire made their dough..
 

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Hi all,

I ordered the "KDLITKER P6-Osr Osram KW CSLNM1.TG 800 Lumens LED Drop-in Module" a couple days ago, and optioned for them to include their 21700 body ($20.99 all together, free shipping). I then realized that it probably wouldn't have the throw I wanted (since it has an orange-peel reflector) and then ordered the "KDLITKER P6-Osr Osram KW CSLNM1.TG 800 Lumens LED Drop-in Module" in warm white (3500K, 1-mode, 90CRI). I thought it was interesting that they don't have seperate lumen claims for the different color temps. Other brands (like Olight) typically offer different temps at the same price, but at the cost of lower output.

If anyone's interested I would be willing to gather runtime, lumen output, and CRI data from the light using the 21700.

Also, @hugodrax, if I understand correctly the old Pentagonlight "drop-ins" have a larger diameter than the standard P60, which would lead to contact issues. You would likely need to do some modification. This thread might be relevant to you: https://www.candlepowerforums.com/threads/build-log-pentagonlight-x3.305484/
 

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Tod at illuminationgear.com has a 15% coupon (he rarely has coupons :))

iGisAWESOME

Picked up a Sportac Pro using an XHP35 hi neutral emitter,,, 9V max
Just had to, can't remember the last drop-in purchase from Tod

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Anyone try a P60 or Malkoff P61 drop in on an old Pentagonlight x3?
The X3 has a larger diameter head. I forgot which reflector I put into mine but it is threaded for the same pills on the back of most P60 drop-ins so I put one together that way. If you just want to put a P60 or Malkoff into your X3 you'll find that you have no thermal path at all since the front of the drop-in will be up against the glass and the back will only have the negative spring conducting heat away from it. The drop-in will float inside the head. The X2 head can take a P60 and it will fit onto an X3 body.
 

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I just pulled out an old solar force "xpg R5" 0.9-4.2v drop in I've had for quite a long time. Replace the led to an sst-20 4k I had lying around. Pretty good light. Here is the difference between non-wrapped and wrapped tight with aluminum foil. It does appear to be DD with pwm with a lithium ion. Draws 1A on high.
SF P60 sst20 4000k high-1861449087726.png

SF P60 sst20 4000k high wrapped-3090734816424.png
 

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Lumens Factory switched to Nichia 519A R9080 LED for their warm tint drop-ins
they are saying 90+CRI

Like in this regulated high voltage 3-mode unit:

@orbital

Wondering if you know the CYCLE RATE on the Lumens Factory drop-ins.

For example Kaidomain's are 3 seconds. i.e. If you leave on <3s it changes to next level at turn on L-M-H / if you leave on >3s it stays on the level you are in. (Terrible way to make a drop-in Inho)

Sportac and PflexPro etc. are 1 second. i.e. If you leave on <1s it changes to next level at turn on / if you leave on >1s it stays on the level you are in. (Much better and I think Vinh's are less than a second)

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@orbital

Wondering if you know the CYCLE RATE on the Lumens Factory drop-ins.

For example Kaidomain's are 3 seconds. i.e. If you leave on <3s it changes to next level at turn on L-M-H / if you leave on >3s it stays on the level you are in. (Terrible way to make a drop-in Inho)

Sportac and PflexPro etc. are 1 second. i.e. If you leave on <1s it changes to next level at turn on / if you leave on >1s it stays on the level you are in. (Much better and I think Vinh's are less than a second)

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I don't have that info, that can change for each drop-in production run.

One thing I don't like is the time needed to change modes is too short, so if you don't do it fast enough, you get stuck in a mode,,
not saying this is the case w/ Lumens Factory, just a general comment.
 

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Gents, I'm a simple old boomer, I've liked flashlights since before even the days of daring to wear a simple AA Mini-Mag in it's black cordura sheath in uniform was courting to get "wrote up" by some MA2 with an axe to grind. But still, here I am, and with yet another question, or more a request to please dumb it down slightly to the matter of Surefire P or G series drop in LED replacements;
I have several older Surefire 6P or even a stray G2 style around, several of which have those cheap, Amazon, $12.99 drop in LED specials, which are giving me trust issues. Without going in the other extreme, cost wise, how are these three folks compared to each other and as far as providing trouble free service? If it matters, I seem to prefer cool throwy beams.
Eagle Tac Are these worth a look?
Kaidomain Is this just another Amazon, Ali Express, outlet, or are there some noteworthy exceptions?
or Lumens Factory If I went w/Lumens Factory, I'd try and buy several things at once to mitigate that darn shipping, but they were "solid" several years ago, are they still decent?
Is there someone else for a cost effective 6P drop in LED?
Also, any decent tail caps (clicky type) for same?
I'm afraid I'm in danger of spending $100+ to "upgrade" three old flashlights... But upgrade to what decade? The teens?
 

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Gents, I'm a simple old boomer, I've liked flashlights since before even the days of daring to wear a simple AA Mini-Mag in it's black cordura sheath in uniform was courting to get "wrote up" by some MA2 with an axe to grind. But still, here I am, and with yet another question, or more a request to please dumb it down slightly to the matter of Surefire P or G series drop in LED replacements;
I have several older Surefire 6P or even a stray G2 style around, several of which have those cheap, Amazon, $12.99 drop in LED specials, which are giving me trust issues. Without going in the other extreme, cost wise, how are these three folks compared to each other and as far as providing trouble free service? If it matters, I seem to prefer cool throwy beams.
Eagle Tac Are these worth a look?
Kaidomain Is this just another Amazon, Ali Express, outlet, or are there some noteworthy exceptions?
or Lumens Factory If I went w/Lumens Factory, I'd try and buy several things at once to mitigate that darn shipping, but they were "solid" several years ago, are they still decent?
Is there someone else for a cost effective 6P drop in LED?
Also, any decent tail caps (clicky type) for same?
I'm afraid I'm in danger of spending $100+ to "upgrade" three old flashlights... But upgrade to what decade? The teens?
Kaidomain has some solid drop ins. AliExpress is just a site for sellers to sell stuff. Like Amazon. Lumens factory is still a solid choice. They will also have the tail caps you are looking for. Mtnelectronics is another solid place to get one built to your specification. A lot of people will mention Malkoff. The m61t will be a decent option for your preferences. The m61 is very floody. These are expensive, and do not throw as good of beams as other options. But they are very popular.

All of that said, you're better off just getting a new flashlight. Unless if you have some really strong, sentimental feelings towards these. Something like a convoy M1 is a similar form factor, will cost under $20 for the whole light, you can choose what driver and LED you want, and it will outperform any P60 drop in in every way. That's the route I would go. If you really like a cool white throwy beam, I recommend an sft-40
 

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Thank you, I saw the Convoy M1, yeah, it would do what I needed for sure. And now I just realized, maybe I DO like the idea of keeping a decrepit old scarred up 6P working brightly and reliably, I guess!
Which do the folks here like for the Kaidomain ones? Maybe I'll try ONE, but I'm finding myself leaning towards Lumens Factory, maybe... Is their premium worth it over anyone else's?
 

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Thank you, I saw the Convoy M1, yeah, it would do what I needed for sure. And now I just realized, maybe I DO like the idea of keeping a decrepit old scarred up 6P working brightly and reliably, I guess!
Which do the folks here like for the Kaidomain ones? Maybe I'll try ONE, but I'm finding myself leaning towards Lumens Factory, maybe... Is their premium worth it over anyone else's?
Lumens factory are fully potted. And they are usually using a bit better components. But it's still a P60 drop in and you'll need to wrap it. I'd probably spend a little less on a drop in to keep the old lights running, and use the leftover to buy a better light. The lumens factory e-series with one of their led heads would be very nice. I like the kl4 style
 
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