Sold/Expired P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2)

[elho]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

After going through part 1 and 2 of this thread the last two evenings, I found answers to some of my questions, but also yet more options. :twothumbs

Before I present you with the ton of remaining questions, here is what I'm looking at. The hosts for all the drop-ins will be Wolf-Eyes Sniper bodies using 1x18650. I'll get UV, IR, XP-E and MC-E drop-ins and am still unsure (but tempted 😗) on the new (first I ever heard about them was this thread) SST ones.

I backed the emitter out of the reflector possibly one turn on the threads, it is now almost unnoticable. It is held in place by the spring

I guess this is probably obsolete for MC-E's with the newly designed reflector? But as it might apply to others of the abovementioned drop-ins - the held in place by the spring part worries me, as D26 drop-ins only fit in Wolf-Eyes lights with the (outer large) spring removed. Will the drop-ins still be fine with the spring removed?
Had some LumensFactory EO-4's that - unlike the HO-4's - didn't work without the spring, so I'm careful to check upfront. 🙂

On the plus side the direct contact of the drop-in base with the massive body makes for a good heat sink. :naughty:

I have had a nichia UV led from one of the previous buys and had not taken time to do anything with it. After seeing the performance of yours I decided I need to put it in a light. The Crees do fine but have a purple tint to them and are brighter, these have much less visible light and are much more violet but florescence more than some.

I take it that was a 375nm Nichia? And I guess harder driven than that in my Arc AAA? 😉 When you say they fluoresce more than some, how does it compare to the Crees, do they make the difference up by their brightness?

What color bins do you have the M bin MC-E's? Can you get WC?

I also do have brand new a couple of SST- 90 in a drop in. THey are very bright and although they have alot of throw simply because of the raw power they also have alot of spill.

Sounds nice, but how are they (both the SST-50 and 90 drop-ins) compared to your MC-E's regarding total output, throw and spill?

It does of course have a great beam but very large.
IF you are looking for a tight beam then its brother the 50 is the one although not quite as bright.

By beam do you mean hotspot here, or the complete beam?

As it's getting really late, I'll save up the driver questions for tomorrow, giving you a break, too. 😉

 

[Bushman5]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

any chance of a beamshot for the Cree UV 7090 XLamp ?

I would'nt mind dropping one of these in my SF G2Z-L (metal head, nitrolon body) for mineral searching at night....

also, do you take USD money orders and ship to canada via USPS?

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Dave,

Seems that you have a lot of happy members here that have received your work. I have not had the time to read through every page but here goes:

I would like the following & have cash funded PayPal standing by...

1) Cree XP_E - XRE Cool White R2 bins and available with one level price $30

2) Diamond Dragon in ultra white only. Both available in one light level . Price $40


Please PM me with the total & your paypal address and I'll get it out to you right away. If you are out of one thing or another just let me know, I'm sure I can pick out a substitute or wait till you have what you need. I also see an MC-E in my future...


Gary

Edit to add: I saw this:

Cree R2 XP-E in WD & WC tint is the brightest single die led that cree makes. The newest bins are up to 275 lumen manufacturer rated @ bulb. These are driven @ up 1.2 amps. Operating voltage is 3.6 volts to 6 volts. These will run at full power on one 16340 for up to 1 hour with little dimming. This led has one of the tightest and longest throws.

Is this my #1 above?

Hi Gary I PM'd you about questions if you have any more let me know.

Dave

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

After going through part 1 and 2 of this thread the last two evenings, I found answers to some of my questions, but also yet more options. :twothumbs

Before I present you with the ton of remaining questions, here is what I'm looking at. The hosts for all the drop-ins will be Wolf-Eyes Sniper bodies using 1x18650. I'll get UV, IR, XP-E and MC-E drop-ins and am still unsure (but tempted 😗) on the new (first I ever heard about them was this thread) SST ones.


I guess this is probably obsolete for MC-E's with the newly designed reflector? But as it might apply to others of the abovementioned drop-ins - the held in place by the spring part worries me, as D26 drop-ins only fit in Wolf-Eyes lights with the (outer large) spring removed. Will the drop-ins still be fine with the spring removed?
Had some LumensFactory EO-4's that - unlike the HO-4's - didn't work without the spring, so I'm careful to check upfront. 🙂

Yes it should work fine as the reflector housing is grounded. All lights are a little different and I don't have a sniper but I would think yes would be the answer as I don't use one in my 6P alot of times. Have any of the LF products worked OK

On the plus side the direct contact of the drop-in base with the massive body makes for a good heat sink. :naughty:


I take it that was a 375nm Nichia? And I guess harder driven than that in my Arc AAA? 😉 When you say they fluoresce more than some, how does it compare to the Crees, do they make the difference up by their brightness?

The difference in the wavelength make the lights look the same. The Nichia is 365nm and is more of a light blue with much less visible light but still has the florescence on soiled items or glow in the dark and cures adhesive very well but the led alone costs twice what the whole module for Crees does. I do have some on order This led is run @ .5 amp where the cree is run @ 1amp.
The Cree UV is 395 nm and has much more visible light and is much more purple in color. It does still cure norland and floreces soiled items and such quite well just more visible light and purple instead of blue in color.

What color bins do you have the M bin MC-E's? Can you get WC?
I have WF in Kbin for cool white, I have KE4BIN 4Btint and KF5bin 5B in neutral white. I don't know if I can get a WC tint unless someone like Cutter would have it as it is a crap shoot with like arrow as to what you will get and arrow has changed its quanities and buying singles will now cost more.

Sounds nice, but how are they (both the SST-50 and 90 drop-ins) compared to your MC-E's regarding total output, throw and spill?
The SST 50 is close to the MC-E but I think the MCE is probably as bright or a little brighter but the SST has much better beam quality. If we were able to get higher bins and higher amperage drivers then they would be brighter but I do use my SST 50 alot because the beam quality is so nice. They are cool white only.
The SST-90 is brighter but is much floodier IMHO, it lights up everything on high but will eat a set of primaries fairly quick on high.


By beam do you mean hotspot here, or the complete beam?
It depends on the context it is used in, usually the beam is all of the beam, hotspot and corona

As it's getting really late, I'll save up the driver questions for tomorrow, giving you a break, too. 😉

Thanks

Dave

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

any chance of a beamshot for the Cree UV 7090 XLamp ?

I would'nt mind dropping one of these in my SF G2Z-L (metal head, nitrolon body) for mineral searching at night....

also, do you take USD money orders and ship to canada via USPS?

Hi Bushman5

I don't have one built up right now to take a beam shot of but since this is a Cree XL it basically has a beam pattern just like what you would see with your XRE q5 or the likes. In a smooth reflector you get the Cree rings and in a mop a nice smooth tapered pattern like any Q5 in white or such.
They are quite bright when pushed @ 1amp and do fluoresce quite well. The 395 nm has more visible light than say a 365nm

Thanks

Dave

 

[outersquare]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

can you run the SST-90 on two CR123s?

 

[elho]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

The Nichia is 365nm [...] but the led alone costs twice what the whole module for Crees does. I do have some on order

Ah, a 365nm one even. Feeling very tempted... 😗

Cree UV 7090 XLamp high power, these are 395nm and are driven @ 1.2 amps.

This led is run @ .5 amp where the cree is run @ 1amp.

I guess this was a typo and it's 1.2A for the Cree? :thinking:

I have WF in Kbin for cool white

Ah, forgot to mention it's only cool white I'm interested in. Hmm, so no M bin at the moment. I guess you'll get some again sooner or later though?
(I won't mind a little premium either, if it's moderate 🙂)

I do use my SST 50 alot because the beam quality is so nice.

Is that (and on the beamshots you posted) with MOP or even a smooth reflector?

The SST-90 is brighter but is much floodier IMHO, it lights up everything on high but will eat a set of primaries fairly quick on high.

A great flooder is always nice, too. 🙂

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

can you run the SST-90 on two CR123s?

I did the other morning on one I built up, it sucked the batts fairly quickly they are juice hogs.

Dave

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Ah, a 365nm one even. Feeling very tempted... 😗



I guess this was a typo and it's 1.2A for the Cree? :thinking:

The Nichia is run at .5 amp and I have not found an advantage to running the Cree at 1.2 so I run it at 1amp it is not a typo some of these threads are months old.

Ah, forgot to mention it's only cool white I'm interested in. Hmm, so no M bin at the moment. I guess you'll get some again sooner or later though?
(I won't mind a little premium either, if it's moderate 🙂)

I do have MBin WG but you did not ask about MBin you asked about WC KBin so I did not mention Mbin and you did not mention cool whites



Is that (and on the beamshots you posted) with MOP or even a smooth reflector?
It is a mop

A great flooder is always nice, too. 🙂

 

[elho]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

I have not found an advantage to running the Cree at 1.2 so I run it at 1amp it is not a typo some of these threads are months old.

Ah ok, fair enough. I just thought the first post was kept current thus getting confused. 🙂

What color bins do you have the M bin MC-E's? Can you get WC?

I do have MBin WG but you did not ask about MBin you asked about WC KBin so I did not mention Mbin and you did not mention cool whites

Yeah, forgot to mention cool in general, sorry. But I did ask about M bin. What I was trying to say is cool white M bins, with WC being the preferred one.
But either way, you do have M bin, that's the important part. 🙂

 

[AKWolf]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Hi Dave, payment sent for for MC-E warm white 3s.

Thank you very much.
Robert

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Ah ok, fair enough. I just thought the first post was kept current thus getting confused. 🙂



Yeah, forgot to mention cool in general, sorry. But I did ask about M bin. What I was trying to say is cool white M bins, with WC being the preferred one.
But either way, you do have M bin, that's the important part. 🙂

Hi
You are correct I read it wrong it was about 4am😀
The only Mbin WC tint I see is at cutters and buying just that makes it a premium.

Thanks

dave

 

[elho]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

You are correct I read it wrong it was about 4am😀

Hehe, no worries. Was about as late when I forgot about cool white.

Ok now, as promised, for the difficult part, the drivers... 😉
As mentioned previously, they will only be used with a single 18650, so performance with that configuration is what counts.

Cree R2 XP-E These are driven @ up 1.2 amps. Operating voltage is 3.6 volts to 6 volts. These will run at full power on one 16340 for up to 1 hour with little dimming.

I have some Cree R2 & Golden Dragon Plus modules built for one cell pocket rockets. These are new drivers that are quite efficient.
The only choice is for levels is five levels at this time and one level.

Does this also drive at 1.2A? What is (regulated) runtime for this (to compare to the 1h figure of the other one)?
(This one better matches the 1x18650 configuration, but I'm pondering as I'd prefer 3 mode...)

P7 with shinning beams driver

it is not only the brightest regulated P7 drop in I have built it is the brightest P7 drop in that I have built period.

So that means this is a boost one (being brighter than direct drive)?
This is the same one as you use for the SST-50, right?

can you build a P60 MC-E that is regulated?

I have a good three level driver I can use right now.

Is this the same one as the one above?
And if they are not the same as the SST-50 one: Are they also performing well with a single 18650? At how much A is the LED driven with them?

What is the order of the modes for all of the above (plus the SST-90 ones) and do they have memory?

Or put the other way around, maybe you have yet more options :thumbsup:: What I'd really like is 3 modes in the order high, medium, low without memory or any way to accidentally get into other groups or somesuch. Simple instant power and no surprises. 😉

I take it the IR and UV ones are single mode anyway. (Finally some easy choices 😉)

 

[openbolt1]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Dave,

Looks like you have a bunch of happy customers. Please find a PayPal payment in your in box!



Thanks & looking forward to the Drop-In,

Gary

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Hi Dave, payment sent for for MC-E warm white 3s.

Thank you very much.
Robert

Hi Robert

I have you marked down and will probably ship in AM

thanks

Dave

Hehe, no worries. Was about as late when I forgot about cool white.

Ok now, as promised, for the difficult part, the drivers... 😉
As mentioned previously, they will only be used with a single 18650, so performance with that configuration is what counts.



Does this also drive at 1.2A? What is (regulated) runtime for this (to compare to the 1h figure of the other one)?
(This one better matches the 1x18650 configuration, but I'm pondering as I'd prefer 3 mode...)
the 3 level 1.2 amp is not boost driver just an efficient driver when the VF of the led and the Voltage in is close to the same there is not as much loss in heat as if bucking down from higher voltage.

The five level is a boost driver and seems to stay in regulation longer but is only 1amp so it is also not overdriving.

As i said before you have read both parts and a few months worth and I need to start another part and clean house again as items do change but always for the better usually. I can not always get the same drivers usually yes but they even change designs during these times, I have found that they usually are better drivers as they change but mine change with theirs. Both of the above drivers are efficient and good drivers, as to all the technical aspects I am the first to admit that I am not an Elect Eng.

So that means this is a boost one (being brighter than direct drive)?
This is the same one as you use for the SST-50, right?

I have not direct driven this P7 but the regulated one was my brightest to date as it is a lower VF than some.
Yes this is the same one I use to drive the SST-50 which only powers it at about 50% of its potential.
2.5amp
As for Direct driving do you mean a wiped board with no component or do you mean the direct drive board with levels. The wiped one is the brightest since it has no overhead for switching or anything but gets hot fast with little options but off.
Is this the same one as the one above?
And if they are not the same as the SST-50 one: Are they also performing well with a single 18650? At how much A is the LED driven with them?

What is the order of the modes for all of the above (plus the SST-90 ones) and do they have memory?

Or put the other way around, maybe you have yet more options :thumbsup:: What I'd really like is 3 modes in the order high, medium, low without memory or any way to accidentally get into other groups or somesuch. Simple instant power and no surprises. 😉
I believe all of the mentioned drivers have memory, the 2.5, 1.2amp and boost all have memory as to turn is to last used level. I will need to check the 5 level boost but I believe it does also. Most of the drivers go HI-MED-Low with 3 second memory.
None of these are MCU so non have groups just levels.

I take it the IR and UV ones are single mode anyway.
IR and UV are single mode.

(Finally some easy choices 😉)

Thanks Dave

Dave,

Looks like you have a bunch of happy customers. Please find a PayPal payment in your in box!



Thanks & looking forward to the Drop-In,

Gary

HI Gary

Thanks I have you down and I have replied to your PM

Thanks

Dave

 

[elho]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

the 3 level 1.2 amp is not boost driver just an efficient driver when the VF of the led and the Voltage in is close to the same there is not as much loss in heat as if bucking down from higher voltage.

Yet a (reasonably) low Vf has the advantage of getting longer regulated runtime out of a buck driver. Would a low Vf selection of an XP-E R2 WC be possible with this driver? :naughty:

The five level is a boost driver and seems to stay in regulation longer but is only 1amp so it is also not overdriving.

Being an XP-E and not an XR-E, it is still overdriven (or have they raised them from 700mA to 1A recently?), but not as hard.
But either way I'm leaning towards the 3 mode 1.2A. 🙂

As i said before you have read both parts and a few months worth and I need to start another part and clean house again as items do change but always for the better usually.

Yeah, I already figured that when reading there was no memory in the first part and that there is in the second.
Which is a good example of a change neither good or bad, but simply a matter of taste.

Both of the above drivers are efficient and good drivers, as to all the technical aspects I am the first to admit that I am not an Elect Eng.

Heh, I would have become one, hadn't I switched to computer science early on. 🙂 Yet, wasn't it lack of time, I'd dig into rolling my own driver PCBs perfectly matching my picky taste wrt the UI. 😉
I'm not doubting your choice of good efficient drivers in any way, but of course one might be designed more with a 2xCR123 configuration in mind and perform better with that, while the next does better with 1x18650. That was the reason I asked.

I have not direct driven this P7 but the regulated one was my brightest to date as it is a lower VF than some.

Ah, that referred to the LED as such making the difference.

As for Direct driving do you mean a wiped board with no component or do you mean the direct drive board with levels.

I meant direct drive in general, ie. current being limited by the LED for the given voltage as opposed to a boost driver delivering the higher needed Vf for the desired current.

I believe all of the mentioned drivers have memory, the 2.5, 1.2amp and boost all have memory as to turn is to last used level. I will need to check the 5 level boost but I believe it does also. Most of the drivers go HI-MED-Low with 3 second memory.
None of these are MCU so non have groups just levels.

Ok, the latter is great, the order too and the memory is a minor inconvenience I'll have to live with. 🙂

 

[cyberspyder]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Just got a question, which module would you recommend if I want max brightness for 10-15 seconds at a time? I'm running two CR123A's in a G2 host.

 

[nailbender]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Just got a question, which module would you recommend if I want max brightness for 10-15 seconds at a time? I'm running two CR123A's in a G2 host.

Hi cyberspyder

I think you would be happy with either of the quad dies P7 or MC-E or even the new SST-90.

Dave

 

[duboost]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

for a 3 mode MC-E with cool tint. Thanks!

 

[easilyled]

Re: P7, MC-E, UV & Night vision IR !!! P60/D26 style drop-ins for Sf products (part 2

Dave, just to let you know that your SST-90, 3-speed P-60 drop-in arrived today.

I have found that when putting it in my Solarforce L2 host that the positioning of the head needs to be very precise in order to avoid a flickering on all levels that seems to be a contact issue.

I need to unscrew the head a little from its tightest position to reduce if not completely eliminate the flickering.
The driver also sings to me, especially on the lowest level. 😉

However I must say that I love the beam-shape, the tint and the brightness.
It projects a square-shaped beam with a broad hotspot without any artifacts.
The spill is still very bright too and it seems to be outputting some serious lumens.
The tint is pure white, just how I like it.