Pandemic-the light at the end of the tunnel

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Chauncey Gardiner

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Yesterday, I went to the supermarket to pick up a few things for dinner. There was no sign, so although I had a mask in my pocket, I didn't put it on. I am vaccinated. Some were wearing masks, some not. Most, if not all of the employees were wearing masks.

I felt guilty, not wearing a mask, when I had to approach a masked clerk, to ask... where the Gnocchi is in the store.

You shouldn't feel guilty for not knowing where the Gnocchi was located, supermarkets are big places. :p
 

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The "mask required" sign was gone at my local grocery store, but (I'm supposing) out of habit 99 of 100 folks had a face cover. All employees did and I'm supposing that won't change soon. The governor of my state lifted the mandate somewhat. Places like Home Depot won't be required to ensure patrons wear them but employees will still have to. Kids in schools will still be required. Stuff like that. But I suspect the majority of places I go will still largely be filled with face covered patrons until at least Fall when by then that "magic number" of herd immunity will be reached according to the parrot chorus of alphabet soup news media outlets.
 

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The "mask required" sign was gone at my local grocery store, but (I'm supposing) out of habit 99 of 100 folks had a face cover. ...

That's a frustrating part of all this. Mask usage seems to be at its highest since this all started, and I'm asking myself where all this responsible/adult behavior was when people were dying by the truckload (and hospitals were bursting at the seams) around Thanksgiving/Christmas.
 

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The "mask required" sign was gone at my local grocery store, but (I'm supposing) out of habit 99 of 100 folks had a face cover. All employees did and I'm supposing that won't change soon. The governor of my state lifted the mandate somewhat. Places like Home Depot won't be required to ensure patrons wear them but employees will still have to. Kids in schools will still be required. Stuff like that. But I suspect the majority of places I go will still largely be filled with face covered patrons until at least Fall when by then that "magic number" of herd immunity will be reached according to the parrot chorus of alphabet soup news media outlets.

Herd immunity like the NY yankees -

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id...sitive-covid-19-bringing-team-total-nine-week
 

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I wonder how far past shot #2 they all were. IIRC, you need 2-3 weeks after #2.

They all got J&J shots a month ago.

Though the shots may reduce morbidity for people how get covid by 90%, at best they prevent 50-60% of fully vaccinated people from getting covid - that's why you will won't get "herd immunity" even if everyone in the world was vaccinated. If enough people get the virus and recover, we might get herd immunity, but there is some question of that due to mutations and the possibility that some people don't seem to develop strong immunity after they have had the virus.
 

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Just getting over the delta variant, had "regular" covid last year. Personally speaking first hand, delta was easily 3x as worse as it was the first go around. Luckily both of my cases are considered mild, even though I was sick as hell. I didnt go to the doctor or anything like that.
 

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In my home state there's a light at the end of the tunnel and it aint a train. Yippee!!

Now the total number of cases will never be less as it is a running total like time. There will be a day when the number is frozen though. Phew! That'll be cool.

But the rate of rise is falling while the rate of inoculations is rising.

The point of this one will hopefully focus on putting this thing in the rear view mirror real soon. I received a text from my athsmatic son this morning that he has an appointment for his shot this week. He said he has not felt this calm in about a year. I think many who participated in previous threads can say they too feel that sense of relief. For the first time in a year many feel that the end just might be around the corner for the US.

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Bykfixer, new member "brettjack" new as in 1 hour. Subscribed for other info, but saw your lead thread and have an elephant in the room question. What (if anything) should the goal be with those who do not want this particular vaccine? Upfront as a recipient I still say by "rights" that choice is their choice. Told you this is an elephant in the room, cause "it" will happen. The proverbial unstoppable force (pandemic/logic) to immovable object (constitution) what say you? Or anybody's opinion or better IDEA's on what to do? Thnx!
 

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A more suitable place for vaccine efforts discussion.
Completely brand new, sorry! No need to post, came for complete other reason, looking for advice on Portable! solar panels. Also know how to reply to another's post but do not know how to post general question to group. 61 yrs old and forum illiterate. Thnx for any help
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Completely brand new, sorry! No need to post, came for complete other reason, looking for advice on Portable! solar panels. Also know how to reply to another's post but do not know how to post general question to group. 61 yrs old and forum illiterate. Thnx for any help
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Hi Brett, welcome to CPF. You can feel free to start threads in suitable subforums by navigating to the subforum and then clicking the Post Thread button or you can use the box at the top of the thread list to create a new thread. I hve circled them in red for you in this screenshot.
 

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Bykfixer, new member "brettjack" new as in 1 hour. Subscribed for other info, but saw your lead thread and have an elephant in the room question. What (if anything) should the goal be with those who do not want this particular vaccine? Upfront as a recipient I still say by "rights" that choice is their choice. Told you this is an elephant in the room, cause "it" will happen. The proverbial unstoppable force (pandemic/logic) to immovable object (constitution) what say you? Or anybody's opinion or better IDEA's on what to do? Thnx!
Brett, I wonder if you remember in 1976 the US government tried to convince the population to take a flu shot……that debacle still lingers with many. There are some who see some numbers and cower in fear. Others say "pfft, if the water and food don't kill now that new head cold will" and just carry on. Some are in between.

Now it seems as though the louder so-called conventional wisdom hollers "get the shot dammit" the more dug in some will become about not taking it.

One thing most aren't discussing is that around 40% of the nay sayers say they will gladly get the shot once it's FDA approved. And it has been said that the FDA could approve 2 of the big 3 by the end of this month (August 2021).

I'm on the fence about the matter. The rebel in me says screw you king Fauchi, you aint going to tell me where the bear poops. The old guy in me says the trouble with being dead is it lasts so long.

To me if this one had a 14-15% death rate overall with 50% for those over 64 like the 03 SARS did I seriously doubt this conversation would be taking place. If so it would be in between folks in line getting the SARS shot. ……

Welcome aboard.
 

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Dr Malone, the virologist that invented the mRNA vaccine technology thoughts on the spread of the virus, vaccines, treatments and Authoritarian Messaging:


full interview:

 

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“Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable — the art of the next best”
― Otto von Bismarck
For me, the last 18 months convinced me that there's a stubbornness in large swaths of the American public. No matter how overwhelming the evidence, how convincing the rhetoric, how emotional the appeal, how persuasive the incentives, how unpleasant the disincentives there is going to be a slice that responds with I ain't gonna.

With the leading quote in mind, I'm not sure that there's enough constituency to push a vaccine mandate. Employers might require them. Some establishments might have the pull to demand their patrons be vaccinated. But attempting to channel the unvaccinated into a situation that walks and quacks like a vaccine mandate without actually legally being one seems like it's just going to harden resistance all around.

And truly, I mean it when I say all around. The populace will resist. Local government - surely possessing a better sense of the pulse of locals than anyone else - will resist. And state government will resist. The facts be d_mned - the Overton Window is where it is.

It's unfortunate that an otherwise simple public health issue has been caught up in our highly polarized social/political environment but it has and there's no unringing that bell.

If it happens before flu season, I suspect that the FDA fully approving vaccines without being hurried will be the next thing that moves the needle in regards to improving vaccine uptake. Otherwise it seems like the die has been cast and we're going to move into flu season in a posture similar to where we're at now.
 

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Politics:
Poly meaning many
Ticks meaning blood sucking parasites
- my 3rd grade teacher

Wash your hands, stay 6' apart and wear a face cover when congregating near people.
 

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lemmings will be lemmings.
sheep will be sheep.
the cliff is THAT way.
The sheep dip is down the chute on the left!
As they say in Wuhan........................"Rotsa ruck!"
 

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I'm going for a booster shot early next week. Would suggest everyone consider it.

The numbers, which were reported to be in decline (sort of... the rate of increase was dropping, the numbers themselves were still going up like a rocket) are not in decline. Rate of increase has begun to increase... which means bad things.

Reminder that masks/countermeasures are dropping, infections are skyrocketing, school restarts SOON, and flu will probably be a factor this year.

Don't get sick (from anything) and need hospitalization. It's not gonna be there.
 
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