MSaxatilus
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Me like Barnburners!!!:devil:
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Me like Barnburners!!!:devil:
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karlthev
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Hmmm....I sure could be wrong Scott--heck, the mountain is right across the street from you (!!) but, I seem to think some of the heavier "guns" WERE hitting the top...:thinking: Now, even with the best of the throw monsters there was little USEABLE illumination IMHO (I had binoculars with me but didn't think to use them to see what was being lighted), it seemed that those tops were getting a bit of candlepower spray....? Maybe not....
MSax....you now have an additional $20 to put into "The BarnBurner Fund"!Invest it wisely and in time you will reap a financial harvest sufficient to purchase that light for which you have long yearned!!! Got any other bets ya wanna take on with karlthev????:devil:
Karl
MSax....you now have an additional $20 to put into "The BarnBurner Fund"!Invest it wisely and in time you will reap a financial harvest sufficient to purchase that light for which you have long yearned!!! Got any other bets ya wanna take on with karlthev????:devil:
Karl
WadeF
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I'm pretty sure that 85-watt Blitz HID was nailing the top of the black-hole. It was a throw monster.
Here's a pic:
Here's the same pic, but lightened up to show the horizon:
The maxabeam was also able to hit the top, but it was a smaller hot spot (more focused), and didn't appear as bright as the 85-watt Blitz.
Here's a pic:
Here's the same pic, but lightened up to show the horizon:
The maxabeam was also able to hit the top, but it was a smaller hot spot (more focused), and didn't appear as bright as the 85-watt Blitz.
Juggernaut
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No doubt some lights could hit the top of the tree line, just not as many as most people think😉, lights that could hit the top: Maxabeam, HyperBlitz, The CAN light, L.Y.L.L., The Black Box, The Sun, BarnBurner, Twin 50 watt HID?, The Data bank, tank light, from what I can think of.
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milkyspit
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The formula for spanning the Black Hole is either an exceptionally good optical system, or over-the-top lumens. The Data Bank and tank light deliver on both counts. HID Blitz delivers on the optics even though the lumens really aren't that great. (In relative terms!) And so on.
On certain nights, where there's perhaps some humidity hanging in the air, even most of the lights that otherwise had spanned the Black Hole, won't.
Karl, you should use those binoculars next time to get a better peek at what's illuminated way out there (which is of course in excess of 1/2 mile away). You are right about the usable light, though... in many cases the amount of light reaching that far then coming back to our eyes to tell the tale, isn't enough to do much with in a useful sense.
On certain nights, where there's perhaps some humidity hanging in the air, even most of the lights that otherwise had spanned the Black Hole, won't.
Karl, you should use those binoculars next time to get a better peek at what's illuminated way out there (which is of course in excess of 1/2 mile away). You are right about the usable light, though... in many cases the amount of light reaching that far then coming back to our eyes to tell the tale, isn't enough to do much with in a useful sense.
Juggernaut
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It's amazing just how much a little moisture in the air will do. Back home were I have access to multiple long range fields for testing long rage throwers, if I us a light like the Tiablo A9 S I can't throw more then 250 yards with a little water in the air. Luckily it was nice and relatively dry on PF14.
WadeF
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I tried to catch one of the big guns lighting up the top of the hill. I think this was the Maxabeam, and I'm pretty sure it's the top of the hill. The pic is a bit blurry though, since I was set to full telephoto, which is equal to a 336mm lens on a 35mm film camera. I'd love to try this again with a tripod, and someone holding the beam steady. I was trying to chase the beams around.
WadeF
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Wasn't that a 85-watt HID bulb? Or did I get that wrong? I thought that would produce a fair amount of lumens compared to the 35, 55, and 75 watt HID's. That reflector really does a great job focusing that beam, and it sure is an intense beam. I didn't see anything there that compared with the intensity of it's beam.
milkyspit
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Don't get me wrong Wade, I'm a big fan of the HID Blitz. The killer feature of that light is its truly awesome reflector... it's nothing short of fantastic, and is responsible for the beam intensity you saw. As to the light source, yes, an 85W HID is nothing to sneeze at... but does it match the 20,000-40,000 lumens of the Data Bank? That's what I mean by my original comment. An awesome reflector with 85W HID just can't compare with 20,000-40,000 lumens of light directed through a bank of 70x aspheric lenses. Actually, the whole comparison is a little warped, as in noting that one's BMW M3 just can't compare with a Porsche 959.
That tripod idea is great! If you're ever inclined to setup such a thing between events, it would be a great thing to play around with one evening.
Milky's right the 84W Blitz is only a measly 9000lm
I can still remember the DataBank70 coming on and pimp slapping that hillside, It had about as much spread as the Can Light
WadeF thanks again for the great pictures you took, I always bring my camera but never pull it out and take pictures.
What was that big Incand Mac was holding in the picture next to me
I can still remember the DataBank70 coming on and pimp slapping that hillside, It had about as much spread as the Can Light
WadeF thanks again for the great pictures you took, I always bring my camera but never pull it out and take pictures.
What was that big Incand Mac was holding in the picture next to me
WadeF
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I think that was Mac's 35-watt HID, but in a body that looked like a big incan body.
9,000 lumens is still way more than most of the lights there, and with that kind of focus, it really did a great job at lighting up a distant target. 🙂
milkyspit
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Wade, I've just gotta note, your photos are tremendous. Thanks for such diligent work on putting them together. (So many, too!) I'd bet lots of us both in attendance at PF14, and flashaholics elsewhere appreciate them. 😱
WadeF
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Maybe at the next event I'll try to get a picture of every flashlight there. Labeling all the pics would be a chore though. 🙂
Juggernaut
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The Data bank 70 puts roughly 18,200 lumens "if each LED is pushing 260 lumens! Which I figure is the max power from those LEDs. The HyperBlitz would be pushing "Barnburner = 9,000 lumens" So I would think 9,000+ lumens, that's a difference of 2x the light, I have no idea which one would throw further though, The Data Bank 70 has something like a 6x6 degree beam while the central beam of the HyperBlitz was a good deal larger then that of the Maxabeam, so I'd say 3x3 degree beam. Simple math would prove the HyperBlitz the better thrower, but a lot of it's light is used in the cornea / side spill "65% perhaps" of the beam which is much wider then that of the Data Bank 70, I'd say the Data Bank would out-throw it though because of pure concentration of light "none of it is lost as spill / cornea".
Simple throw calculation, I devised that I always fine very accurate: lumens "in main beam" divided by beam size:
Maxabeam: 1,500
Data Bank: 505.5
HyperBlitz: 350
The Black Box: 142
The CAN light: 110
The Barn Burner: 61
The SUN: 52
L.Y.L.L: 51
Cardboard hexagon box light: 45
DEFT: 35
I don't know about you but these numbers while by them selves mean almost nothing, together they are extremely accurate when used for comparison. If I had to line up all these lights from most-to-least from what I've seen, they would be in this same exact order. So if you ever wondered here you go……:thumbsup:
Simple throw calculation, I devised that I always fine very accurate: lumens "in main beam" divided by beam size:
Maxabeam: 1,500
Data Bank: 505.5
HyperBlitz: 350
The Black Box: 142
The CAN light: 110
The Barn Burner: 61
The SUN: 52
L.Y.L.L: 51
Cardboard hexagon box light: 45
DEFT: 35
I don't know about you but these numbers while by them selves mean almost nothing, together they are extremely accurate when used for comparison. If I had to line up all these lights from most-to-least from what I've seen, they would be in this same exact order. So if you ever wondered here you go……:thumbsup:
Imagine looking down from the highest treeline and seeing all those beams pointed at you? 🙂
Juggernaut
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karlthev
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I don't think you would see anything but the color of blindness!
Juggernaut, just curious, why red type?😕
Karl
Juggernaut
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Makes it really easy to find what I typed when I'm going through a thread:twothumbs, also it makes me different😉, if you hadn't noticed I like standing out:laughing:…..
You're making my miss my old light! Great to see it in pictures though and I'm glad that you're enjoying it. 🙂
Just a point of name specifics.....the Hyperblitz was JetskiMark's 16,000 lumen incan Blitz, which of course is a different formula. The BVH Blitz actually holds a tighter beam and throws a bit farther.
As for which throw better, the BVH Blitz or Data, we'd really have to see direct beamshot comparisons. The Data is way lumens but a large percentage of light is lost through the aspherics...35% perhaps? I'd have to ask Michael. In any case I'm sure it would be close. The Data has been tested side by side with Jetskimark's Hyperblitz and they were close. The BVH Blitz throws a bit better than the Hyperblitz though and is actually close to the Maxabeam GenII in throw performance.
karlthev
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Long time no contact Paul!! How are things? I use my Maratecs frequently--thanks to you! Also, despite the fact that you miss the BVH Blitz I sure am appreciative you passed along this gem to nein166, a most worthy successor! I got to see it in action along with my MaxaBeam and other muscle lights!
Juggernaut, believe me, you don't need red type to stand you out. Your inventions/work which you were kind enough to show us at the fest left us all in amazement. The old black on white will seve you just as well, trust me...but, have at it no matter what color I say!:twothumbs
Keep up the great work.
Karl
Juggernaut, believe me, you don't need red type to stand you out. Your inventions/work which you were kind enough to show us at the fest left us all in amazement. The old black on white will seve you just as well, trust me...but, have at it no matter what color I say!:twothumbs
Keep up the great work.
Karl
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