pic of SF's E-2

[dano]

pic of SF\'s E-2

Just an FYI, at www.surefire.com, there's a new pic of the E-2...

---dan

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[Brock]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

I saw that and it looks to me like a E1 with a barrel extension to hold the second battery, still nice and small

Of course it would have a differnt lamp. It works for me, I want one!

Brock - http://www.uwgb.edu/nevermab/flash.htm

 

[hmmwv]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

It *DOES* look like an E1 with a barrel extension - but the design of the E1 makes this unlikely - the barrel necks down at the switch assembly - you can not remove the battery from the tail as a result - it must be removed through the head of the light. Anything attached to the tail (short of a spring contact and switch) would not touch the first battery because of this necked down feature.

I suspect the flashlight in the picture is the E2 - and that it just has a grove there turned into the barrel. Would be nice if there was an E1 to E2 upgrade available, but the design doesn't lend itself to this like in the 6P / 9P

 

[Bucky]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

To me, the E2 is the holy grail of the recent and upcoming SureFire lights. It is extremely small and compact in the exact mold of the E1 and possibly even better, it offers a 50% increase in runtime from the normal 60 minutes of the other SureFire 6V lights, to 90 minutes - all with the same 65 lumen output.

I think that the 6V or (2) 123A lights are the best. The E1 is just a tad too dim at times, but I rarely encounter situations where I need more than 65 lumens. I have the P61 bulb and I have the P91 bulb for the 9P. To me there is not much difference between the output of these bulbs. Surely not enough to warrant using 2 or 3 batteries in less than 20 minutes when they could have lasted an hour and a half. I think the "law of diminishing returns" starts to kick-in quite noticeably after 65 lumens. Meaning the difference between the 15 lumens of the E1 and 65 lumens of the 6V lights is huge, but the difference between 65 lumens and 120 or even 200 lumens is not all that great.

Also, FYI and not like everyone doesn't know, but here is another pic from the SureFire site showing all the new 2001 lights. http://www.surefire.com/images/FlashlightFamily_large.jpg

Bucky

 

[Brock]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

hmmwv I think you are correct in saying it is a differnt light rather than an extension, but what I was thinking was the extension was added at the head end of the light. That would be big enough to get the battery through and it looks close. But again if I had to put money on it I would say it is just a grove. No matter what I want it

Hopefully surefire gets the lamp done and is releasing it soon!

Brock

 

[Bucky]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

Then again though who knows, maybe it will be a E2/E1 combo. Something that may lend credence to the barrel extension theory is that SureFire claims that the E2 will also be available with 2 lamps - 15 and 65 lumens. Maybe the E2 could be used with the E1 lamp for 3 hours like they also claim, could be used for 90 mins, OR could be shortened by removing the extension and then run at 15 lumens for 90 mins.

I guess the fact that SureFire seems to be modifying old lights like the M2 may also make this more of a possibility. The E1/E2 combo with the extension and two lamps would be a great idea I think.

Bucky

 

[Doug]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

So, what is the big deal of the E2? I mean, won't it just be a 6P? I think someone said that it would have 1.5x the battery time at the same output (65Lum)? Is this a fact? Why would it have longer battery life, with the same output (same lamp?) ... how did they manage that? On the 3P, E1 and E2, are the bulbs replaceble, with changing the reflector also? Why would Surefire require you to replace the reflector with the bulb??

Also, what IS the lamp life, for the various lamps in Surefire lights? Like the 6P, 3P, E1 (E2?), and especially the M6? And what do the bulbs sell for?

Thanks!

Doug

 

[Spidey82]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

hummmmm....
think the uke 2L more worth it
it provides 4-5 h while E2 1.5h
E1 1.5h (one batt)
that means if i run two sets, only 3 hr
so simply math will tell u 2L is better rite??
correct me if i am worng pls.

 

[Brock]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

If you look at it by how much power they are using it tells the tail, for the most part. The UKE 2L is using 400mA (2.1 watts) from the batteries and the Surefire P60 lamp is using 1100mA (5.3 watts). So you can see the Surefire is more than twice the wattage.

Now that is a big part you also have to look at the actual output of the lights. The Surefire has a smooth beam of white light, while the UKE 2L does not (usually), and is not nearly as smooth and definitely more yellow in color.

I am not saying the UKE is a bad light you just have to give up some brightness and whiteness for the longer runtime and the smoothness of the beam is the $$$ part.

Also you can make a little more light with the same amount of power if you do it right ( $ in research), don't ask me how, but I know you can. Surefire did this with the switch from the 3P to the E1.

The new Surefire E2 will also be using a new lamp, up until now all the 2 123 lights from surefire have been using the P60 or P61 lamp. So it will be different than all the existing lights.

Brock

 

[Size15's]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

The E2 is both shorter and slimmer than all other 2 cell DL123A flashlights. Part of it's appeal for me will be getting a SureFire quality beam from a tiny flashlight. I don't think the E2 will have a body made from two bits. The 15Lu lamp will most likely have one of the longest runtime of any SureFire Flashlight.

Is it me, or has CPF been unavailable for a while? I've not been able to load it...

Alastair

 

[Doug]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

When the HECK is the E2 suppose to come out any ways? It all seems pointless, unless it is available (of course) .... and right now you can get a 6P for the price of a E1 ($45), and in ALOT of colors... I might just get a 6P ...

CPF down? Yeah, every now and again I try to access it, and I can not. Oh well, I guess that just means it's time to go out and enjoy God's flashlight

... Wow... talk about battery life

! Woo! Hehe..

Doug


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Size15s:
The E2 is both shorter and slimmer than all other 2 cell DL123A flashlights. Part of it's appeal for me will be getting a SureFire quality beam from a tiny flashlight. I don't think the E2 will have a body made from two bits. The 15Lu lamp will most likely have one of the longest runtime of any SureFire Flashlight.

Is it me, or has CPF been unavailable for a while? I've not been able to load it...

Alastair<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[mcjamison]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug:

CPF down? Yeah, every now and again I try to access it, and I can not. Oh well, I guess that just means it's time to go out and enjoy God's flashlight

... Wow... talk about battery life

! Woo! Hehe..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, nuclear fusion is the way to go -- unless you need good cold-weather performance, in which case lithiums still look pretty good. (I hear Streamlight is working on a "cold fusion" power source for its upcoming CF6, which should solve this problem, but that's not expected to come out until the fall)

 

[Size15's]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

StreamLight CF6 - why don't I believe you?

 

[mcjamison]

Re: pic of SF\'s E-2

Okay, okay, just kidding! Really, there's no way the cold fusion flashlight will be out by fall. It'll be summer 2002 at the earliest. Heck, SureFire's P-238 plutonium-powered model has been locked up in EPA regulatory red tape for at least 18 months. I had to smuggle mine in from Mexico. (I'll tell you, the pucker factor was high when I took that baby through customs!) It was worth it, though - a smooth, even beam, and it shares a feature with the PAL light of always emitting a nice, soft glow. And the brightness? Some like tactical flashlights, but this baby's STRATEGIC...

zzzzz....zzzzz....huh, what?....oh, I guess I was dreaming again. Sorry!