Please advice: Raw, Draco or Muyshondt

[vb14]

Hi all,

I missed out on element e3p and olight infinitum. Both transactions really sucks but that's another story.

I'm now looking for the lummi raw, draco, or muyshondt. I'm leaning towards the raw but it looks like both this and draco doesn't run on primary? Muyshondt's high of 114 lumens (minimum) with a runtime of 2:45 is great, but it's the biggest among the 3. I like the 100/20 of the raw as well. The draco looks nice, but I can't find any information as far as brightness and runtime on it. I saw some chart on how to order it but I guess I'll figure it out if I decide to buy one (and after I get a draco degree jk). I also read that there's a lummi that will run on cr123 in the future. Should I just wait for this? Any thoughts on the muyshondt? I'm leaning towards the nautilus because it uses cr123. Any help will be appreciated. TIA.

 

[paulr]

The Nautilus is a real nice light of traditional design. It is quite a bit bigger than the other two. The Draco and Lummi it seems to me cut various corners to decrease their size, and also require lithium rechargeables, a battery technology that I've never liked. Again though they are well made lights and the draco is TINY for its amount of output. People who have them love them, but they are not for everyone. You are best off researching them somewhat more carefully before making a decision.

 

[FsTop]

Those three lights are about as different a group as you could find. The Muyshondt is huge compared to the others, and the Draco (which I own) is a lot brighter and more flexible than the Orb.

I love the Draco for the great beam (one of the best I've ever seen), the tiny size and weight, and the outstanding quality - it's a real piece of investment-grade keychain jewelry.

 

[Weylan]

I agree that they are pretty different in each of the categories.

I do not own a raw yet. But did not use the rechargable CR2 cells or primaries. And it uses a resister to get to low.

I do own a Draco. I like the Draco alot. It is small. It really bright for it's size. It does use Lithium rechargables. Get 2 to switch them in and out.

I made a holster for mine. I USE mine so I go through about 2-3 batteries a week.

It does get warm really fast on high and you have to hold it to keep it cool.

 

[vb14]

Thanks guys.

If the draco and raw only runs on rechargeables, that's going to be a deal breaker for me. But it looks like I can only get the nautilus on titanium. One site says it's not even being produced anymore. The aeon on the other hand is only $165, but it runs on cr2. So it's smaller but with shorter runtime as well, but uses r2 vs q5 on the nautilus.... and the lummi 123 is not even out yet. Ugh, decision decision. Too bad I can't buy both.

 

[gottawearshades]

I don't have the other two, but I do have a Nautilus and an Aeon. They totally rock.

They seem dependable, they're very efficient, have great beams, and they look damn pretty.

 

[vb14]

I don't have the other two, but I do have a Nautilus and an Aeon. They totally rock.

They seem dependable, they're very efficient, have great beams, and they look damn pretty.

If you can only have one, which would you prefer?

 

[divine]

I thought the E3P was going to be a normal production model.

 

[vb14]

Probably. They just ran out of the one with holes.

 

[gottawearshades]

Tough call. The two levels and beams are pretty much identical.

The Aeon is so small it disappears in your pocket, so it's the prefect "dressy" pocket light. The Nautilus is bigger, but runs on a more common battery and has phenomenal runtime.

Can't go wrong either way.

If you can only have one, which would you prefer?

 

[:)>]

If I could only have one, I would hands down get the Aeon. It has enough runtime and output to serve as your only EDC whereas the others have limited runtimes due to their outputs and battery constraints.

$165.00 for an Aeon is the deal of the year; the light disappears in your pocket or fits nicely on your keychain.

 

[artec540]

The Nautilus is a real nice light of traditional design. It is quite a bit bigger than the other two. The Draco and Lummi it seems to me cut various corners to decrease their size, and also require lithium rechargeables, a battery technology that I've never liked. Again though they are well made lights and the draco is TINY for its amount of output. People who have them love them, but they are not for everyone. You are best off researching them somewhat more carefully before making a decision.

Well, you asked for it!

I've got a Muyshondt Aeon, a Lummi Raw and a Draco. The Draco is much smaller than the other two, which are comparable in size.

It's really hard to judge them for brightness because they're all different colors and they have different shaped beams. Considering its size, the Draco's output is amazing. I'd say it's almost the same as the other two.

As far as looks are concerned, again really difficult to compare because they are so different. The Raw is polished titanium, the Aeon is black knurled titanium and the Draco is sort of greyish, also titanium, and knurled in stripes.

The Draco is 45 mm long and 12 mm in dia, the Aeon, 55 x 17 mm and the Raw 47 x 18 mm. For some reason, the Draco looks even smaller than it really is.... and that's pretty damned small!

They're all twisties and one snag with the Raw is that it has to be turned a turn and a quarter after it has come on on low before it goes to high. The Aeon only about half a turn. Each has only two modes. I like the Draco's UI best because it can be set to come on at full blast, whereas both the others take some winding, specially the Raw.

For little tiny guys, they're all amazing and I really don't think anyone can say that one or another is "better"....... it's a matter of choice. I like them all and I have a hard time choosing which to carry. At the moment I've got the Raw on my key ring and a new Olight titanium in my other pants pocket.

I shall be interested to hear what you go for first, so let us know!

 

[vb14]

I've read so many good things about this Aeon it looks like getting the ti version is going to be worth it. But extra 75 mins runtime and cr123 battery (which i have lots of already) for only 12mm longer.... btw, what's the shelf life of cr2?

Thanks.

 

[Hitthespot]

Thanks guys.

If the draco and raw only runs on rechargeables, that's going to be a deal breaker for me. But it looks like I can only get the nautilus on titanium. One site says it's not even being produced anymore. The aeon on the other hand is only $165, but it runs on cr2. So it's smaller but with shorter runtime as well, but uses r2 vs q5 on the nautilus.... and the lummi 123 is not even out yet. Ugh, decision decision. Too bad I can't buy both.

I wouldn't get to hung up on the lumen difference between the Nautilus and Aeon. Allthough it is a Q5 vs R2 the difference in lumens would not be noticible. Both are great lights but take different batteries. The Aeon is smaller. DM51 done a very nice review on the Aeon. If you do a search you should find it.

Brightguy may have a couple of the Aluminum Nautilus's still available. I'm not sure. They definitely have the Aeon.

Happy Holidays

Bill

 

[Illumination]

Hi all,

Any thoughts on the muyshondt? I'm leaning towards the nautilus because it uses cr123.

Not a fair comparison. You shouldn't hold size against Muyshondt and then only consider the Nautilus instead of the significantly smaller Aeon. That is much closer in size to the other two.

There is a good post by Endeavor (creator of the Aeon) about why he designed it to work only on primaries... makes for good reading.

Lots of people seem to think the Aeon is the ultimate small EDC light... I don't have one, but was seriously going through the same decision tree myself trying to decide what I would buy if I decide to buy a $200 light to put on my keychain.

For now, I'm sticking with a Photon.

 

[vb14]

Well, you asked for it!


I shall be interested to hear what you go for first, so let us know!

Ha! Unfortunately for me, there will be no seconds after this. For real. After I buy one of these, I'm not going back here ever! Ok, maybe just to see if invictus/optimus is out already ;-).

I'm really impressed by the draco's look, but didn't dig it up further after I saw a menu (like fastfood menu) on how to buy one. There's burger and fries, and even has a supersize! So the raw is the first one that I'm leaning towards, until I realized you can't run it using primaries. But I read that lummi is going to come up with one that runs on cr123. But not sure I can wait for it. So I'm down to the muyshondt. So now it has come down to "more runtime on cr123" vs "12 mm shorter". If the aeon has 80 lumens/3 hrs runtime, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Thanks for the comparison.

 

[vb14]

Not a fair comparison. You shouldn't hold size against Muyshondt and then only consider the Nautilus instead of the significantly smaller Aeon. That is much closer in size to the other two.

There is a good post by Endeavor (creator of the Aeon) about why he designed it to work only on primaries... makes for good reading.

Lots of people seem to think the Aeon is the ultimate small EDC light... I don't have one, but was seriously going through the same decision tree myself trying to decide what I would buy if I decide to buy a $200 light to put on my keychain.

For now, I'm sticking with a Photon.

I'm not. I'm actually considering it even if it's longer. Not sure if it's "significantly" longer though. You lost me on the "good reading" part. But hey, I still don't understand the meaning of those numbers as they refer to the batteries without looking it up.

The aeon is the newest, so I'm putting that into consideration as well. You know, the honeymoon period where everybody thinks it's the "best".

Thanks.

 

[kaichu dento]

I'm really impressed by the draco's look, but didn't dig it up further after I saw a menu (like fastfood menu) on how to buy one. There's burger and fries, and even has a supersize!

You might ask some of the readers what their reccomendation for the Draco is. I just bought one and don't have it in my hands yet but am pretty excited to see my first Draco. After it gets here I'll have more of an opinion but one of the reasons I leaned towards the Draco was ultimately size, not to mention that the single most comfortable light I have right now is probably my tiny Arc AAA, which I'm hoping compares favorably for in the hand feel.

 

[vb14]

Is the "ultra clear lens" of the nautilus comparable to the sapphire lens of the aeon in terms of durability (hard to scratch)? Anyone knows what it's made of?

 

[artec540]

Ha! Unfortunately for me, there will be no seconds after this. For real. After I buy one of these, I'm not going back here ever! Ok, maybe just to see if invictus/optimus is out already ;-).

I'm really impressed by the draco's look, but didn't dig it up further after I saw a menu (like fastfood menu) on how to buy one. There's burger and fries, and even has a supersize! So the raw is the first one that I'm leaning towards, until I realized you can't run it using primaries. But I read that lummi is going to come up with one that runs on cr123. But not sure I can wait for it. So I'm down to the muyshondt. So now it has come down to "more runtime on cr123" vs "12 mm shorter". If the aeon has 80 lumens/3 hrs runtime, I'd take it in a heartbeat.

Thanks for the comparison.

When I bought the Draco, I didn't bother with all that menu stuff, I just sent an e-mail and, after an exchange, ordered it the same way. If that's the one you want, it would be a pity to be put off by the website.
If I had known about the turn-and-a-half between "low" and "high", that would have been more likely to put me off. It's very well finished and I like its looks, though, and it has a really nice beam for such a small light.

Good luck.