Please explain...

[DiamondCut2_0]

I'm having a hard time choosing between a Madmax or Badboy. Mainly because I don't know anything about 'em /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif. What is the difference between them in terms of brightness, throw, and runtime? What is N-P, CY LD, and Wide Open? What is their output in lumens? I've heard of people frying their modules, how can I keep from doing that? I apologize for my ignorance but I just need someone to explain to me in terms that I can possibly understand. Thanks much for your time. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[BentHeadTX]

Diamond,
The Badboy is a current regulator and puts out a more even amount of lumens when the batteries discharge. The Madmax is a voltage regulator and the output is not as percise. The good thing about the Madmax is it will run the batteries down to .8V (.4 volts per cell) the Badboy is only good for 1.6 volts (.8 volts per cell) The Madmax+ is also initially brighter as it puts out around 800mA to the Luxeon.
The N, P, Q and R are ranks of the amount of photons the LED puts out at the stock 350mA drive current. The higher the letter, the more light you receive with the same power input. The Q rank puts out around 31-39 lumens while the N rank musters 18-23 lumens.
A CY LED stands for Cyan LED. Cyan is blue/green in color and is very bright, brighter than white LEDs. Wide open applies to the Madmax+ voltage regulators, it means that the adjustability of the regulator is run for maximum output. Unfortunately, it can't be adjusted down...those with adjustability will be on the next batch.
The #1 reason people fry their modules is by messing with them (I blew up a BB500 myself) Put the module in a Brinkmann Legend 2AA and enjoy the light, the Brinkmann Legend has more aluminum mass to keep the module cooler than a minim*g. Keep the module cool, keep it dry and don't screw around with it...it will live a happy life and make your life easier.
The BB500 puts out 500mA and the BB400 puts out 400mA, depends on what you want for battery life and how far you want to go with brightness. The Madmax can also run on one AA cell if that floats your boat.
My first Luxeon was the BB500 and when my BB500 R2H comes in...it will be like going home again. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsup.gif

 

[DiamondCut2_0]

BentHeadTX,

Thank you very much for the information. I've always wondered about these mods but never understood 'em. Again, thanks for summing things up for me! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bowdown.gif

 

[BentHeadTX]

Diamond,
No problem, always willing to help folks blow cash on flashlights. Enjoy!

 

[CM]

Actually to be more precise, a BB400 is actually 416.667mA But it's probably more elegant to say B-B-Four-Hundred than B-B-Four-Sixteen-point-six-six-seven /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[BentHeadTX]

CM,
The BB400 is 4.167mA? Learn something new every day....sooooooo what is a BB500? 520.875mA???

 

[artar]

BentHeadTX,

thank you very much for your detailed explanation.

i was maybe 10 times on the sandwich shoppe, but could not decide what to buy because the same question what DiamondCut had.

 

[BentHeadTX]

Ooooops! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohgeez.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/twakfl.gif
I meant to say:
The BB400 is 416.7mA? Guess this day has gone on too long.

 

[CM]

BentHeadTX,

I don't have a BB500 but based on what dat2zip is selling on his shop, I take an educated stab that the BB500's are 500.00mA. This is the puzzler: How do I know this? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

CM

 

[dat2zip]

The basic formula is 0.050V / Rsense = LED_Current.

Thus, 0.050 / 0.12 = 416.66666. 0.050 / 0.1 = 500.00.

The internal Vref of 0.05 has some tolerance, there are additional trace resistances to be added to sense resistor and the resistor is either a 2% or 5% value tolerance.

Wayne

 

[StoneDog]

OK, so what's the difference between the MadMax and the MadMax Plus (MM+)?

 

[CM]

Wayne, ya stole my thunder /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[kitelights]

The MM+ puts out a screaming 800+mA. Much brighter than standard MM, but of course less run time and can get hot.

 

[Entropy]

[ QUOTE ]
StoneDog said:
OK, so what's the difference between the MadMax and the MadMax Plus (MM+)?



[/ QUOTE ]
I believe a different (and more efficient) inductor.

Which increases the maximum current the MM can put out. Apparently 800 ma+ in the case of the MM+.

 

[StoneDog]

hmmm... 800+ma to my precious R2. I do believe I'll have to carefully and slowly adjust the output to a more reasonable level. Now to go find the posts about which way and how to adjust the trim pot... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Sorry for hijacking.

Jon

 

[BentHeadTX]

Stone,
I have hammered my R2H with a Madmax+ in a 2D Mag with no problems. Figure the 2 D cells will provide more current but I keep the luxeon cool and it works well. The head of the flashlight heats up 12F after about 10 minutes but the luxeon star heatsink is half a degree hotter so it is no problem.
A MM+ R2H sandwich? Bet that puppy puts out some serious heat...

 

[dat2zip]

Sorry about that CM. I am not very graceful and I seem to step on more than that. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Wayne

 

[CM]

Wayne, I was being sarcastic /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'll have to come up with a new puzzler next week /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Cris

 

[StoneDog]

BentHeadTX,

Yes, in hindsight a BB400 would have been a better choice heat-wise. I'd like this to go into a Legend 2AA and it will be used as a utility light possibly for extended periods of time. Heat will probably be an issue.

Maybe I can track down a hotlips or something and put the R2 into a Mag - or even better an E-can in an E1E (but I don't think the sandwich will fit under the E-can's "lid").

Jon

 

[BentHeadTX]

StoneDog,
I have two BB500 R2H modules shipping myself...those 500mA models with the old N or P LS ran rather warm but not as hot as the Surefire L4. One of them is going in the Brinkmann Legend and the other in a Stoplight.
The idea is to compare the heat output: Brinkmann VS Stoplight. I give the Stoplight the edge in that the head is one piece and will shed heat faster.