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PR-T assembly ?

Hotpockets

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Hello,I have read the mod assembly help & walkthru thread for pm6 module, and it looks like it will be helpful when I can get all the components rounded up(TWAK orTVOK lux3 & DB917). I still have some questions,though. What solder do I use? I have lead-free silver bearing rosin-flux core..032 dia., the thinnest I saw. Would this be acceptable? Also, do I need to use AA to glue the emitter and emitter board to the module, or would devcon 2ton be okay? Finally, what is the purpose of the nail polish on the back of the emitter? Do I cover the entire back of the emitter? These are the things I'm still uncertain of. This will be my first real mod and I'd appreciate any help!
 
Hi Hotpockets -

I'm not nearly a solder expert, but a solder with lead in it should be easier to use. Your diameter is about right. AA is a great product to use. Since the adhesive's job is not only to hold the emitter, but to also transfer the heat (and you'll have plenty of that at 0.917mA!) to the bulkhead, you'll want a heat-transferring product to affix the emitter. The nail polish is to electrically isolate the slug on the back of the emitter from the ground of the head. I have a little secret for you if you promise not to tell anybody that it was me who said it:

With an anodized head, and using AA to epoxy the emitter down, you really have no need for extra isolation. Just glue it down and go about your business. I've done it plenty and have no problems. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Thanks Darell! I'll see if I can get some leaded solder the same diameter...Oh, and thanks for the now not so secret tip /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif.
 
Here's a few tips I would give you:

1) place the board in the ecan and check for clearance on the battery contact side. You don't want any of those holes near the edge of the ecan (espcically with the downboy). Mark the locations of the three sets of holes and file some of the metal away if necessary. I always file the area around the Vin+ hole, if nothing else. Sometimes the LED+ holes are far enough away to not worry about, but that's with the badboy - the downboy holes are further out IIRC.

2) solder the lead wires to the driver board. If you pre-tin them well, just a quick touch with the iron will secure them in the holes on the board. Make sure your wires are long enough before you do this! You can trim them down later, so too long is better than too short.

2) after you have the wires soldered to the board, glue the driver into the ecan. I just put a thin line of regular superglue on the inside lip of the ecan and drop the board in. Make sure you line up with the areas you filed down. Don't use too much glue, you only need to hold the board down for a bit until you goop in the real potting material.

3) solder the ground wire to the hole in the upper edge of the ecan. If you got one of the ecans without the hole, just file a little groove in the top lip and solder into that groove. trim the wire on the outside and file it down until it's flush.

4) Test the circuit out. I generally hold the ecan in a vise with the lead wires paralell to the ground, then press an old beat up luxeon to the ends of the leads. I then power the circuit with 2xAA in a radio shack battery holder (just touch the wires to the battery contact and edge of the ecan). If it lights up, you're good to go. I usually give the real emitter a quick direct drive 2xAA test here as well.

5) test fit the assembly together. put the ecan in the head, drop the PR board over the leads, fold the leads down, plop the emitter into place. Go ahead and gently fold the emitter leads up a bit so you can slide the lead wires under them when you assemble. I also trim about half of the big part of the emitter leads off so there's no chance of them shorting against the inside of the head, but there's still enough left to solder down to the PR board and secure the wires. Take everything out (trim the leads if needed) and re-test.

6) mix up the potting bog. I use AA, I'm not familiar with 2ton. Nailpolish on the emitter slug isn't necessary if you use a good non-conductive epoxy like AA and you have an anodized head. you have to work fairly quickly from here on so the epoxy doesn't get too thick on you.

7) pot the ecan. you don't need to fill the can up, just use enough to cover the bottom. Make sure it covers the edge of the board, as that is what will keep the driver in place.

8) put a little bit of epoxy inside the head where the ecan will go. Not too much. I generally put a dab at the 12:00 and 6:00 positions (assuming the lead wire holes are at 3:00 and 9:00).

9) flip the head over. it's good to set it down on your workbench here so the can doesn't fall out while the epoxy is curing. sometimes I screw an empty CNC-123 battery tube into the head to make sure the ecan doesn't move. This also makes the piece easier to hold while working on it. Dab some epoxy in the middle of the head where the emitter will go. Don't use too much, just a thin layer will do. add a little extra away from the center to hold the board down. Drop the PR board into place and press it down. carefully drop the emitter into the center of the board - be careful that you don't have any epoxy on your fingers! put the reflector in place to check for emitter centering and (gently but firmly) adjust with your fingers if needed. DO NOT SCREW THE BEZEL DOWN, it will rotate the reflector, which will rotate the emitter and you'll be in big trouble. at this point, I usually clamp everything down with a small quick-grip clamp and let the epoxy dry for about 30 minutes. You can do a post-cure in a toaster oven, but I don't do that any more.

10) remove the reflector. slide the lead wires under the emitter leads, push the emitter leads down, and solder. Just a tiny bit of solder is more than enough. you want to keep this joint as tidy as possible so it doesn't short against the reflector. Test the head (without the reflector in place). assuming it works, cover the joint with nail polish and let that dry. put the reflector in place, screw the bezel down. remove the bezel and reflector and check the nail polish. repeat a few times. If none of the polish has rubbed off, you're in good shape. Put everything together and test it out. If the reflector is rubbing the polish off, you need to remove the polish and re-solder the leads.
 
Wow!
Great tips!
Any tips for the original McLux head?
And does anyone have an updated set of instructions now that the anode assembly is history?
 
Tyler-A BIG thank you. That post will help greatly and I appreciate the effort. (It would take me about a week to type that much and have it make sense.) Now all I need is the lux3 & DB917...
 
The only difference for the standard McLux head is that you don't have to worry so much about the solder joint between the emitter and the lead wires. I use a McFlood to check the centering in the standard head. A pr board helps a LOT with the standard head, even more so than the PR head, because there isn't as much room to move around in the standard head. The PR board will fit right into the standard head if you just file a little bit off of the little fingers instead of clipping them off as you have to for the PR head.
 
As someone who will be attempting a PR-T build within the coming week, this post couldn't have come at a better time for me. Big thanks to tylerdurden for a great post. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Posts like this are what makes CPF such a great place in my opinion. There's no sustitute for experience, and I am very thankful that there are people here who take the time to share theirs with the rest of us.

The little tips and tricks of a mod can mean the difference between a pleasant and educational project and one full of frustration and poor results. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/banghead.gif

It's much easier to read about someone's problem and go on to the next thread than it is to compose a thorough and lengthy reply and help that person out. Cheers to all that take the time to do the latter. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks also to Darell for his "little secret". /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink2.gif I love this place!

Peter
 
Great writing, Tyler!

Can I ask you a question? I used to solder the ground wire to eCan before I glue the driver to eCan. This is because I need to apply much heat to eCan to solder the wire securely and this heat often softens the glue. Is there any tip to solder the ground wire to eCan quickly (without applying much heat)?
 
Tyler,

Like the others have said, great write up! It's interesting to read a different build sequence. I do the same as kj and solder the lead to the E-can before installation of the converter. Once the converter is glued in with the crazy glue, I feed the wire through the via and solder it from the non component side and trim. I also glue my emitter down first with a seperate batch of epoxy. I pre-solder the LED leads down onto the emiter board pads and I pre tin the LED leads from the converter board. I took a small flat blade screw driver and filed it into a "fork" with a single notch in the blade. I have found that I can use this fork to control the lead wire and push it down onto the LED lead pad. When it is positioned, I touch the wire and pad with the soldering iron and the solder flows and makes the connection.
 
I solder the ground wire to the converter at the same time as the LED wires. Like KJ, I've found that it's difficult to get a secure solder joint to the EN finish on the ecan (especially with the "hole-free" cans), and if I solder the ground to the can before gluing the converter into the can, I sometimes break the joint and have to re-do it anyway. It's easier to manipulate the wire into the ecan hole than into the converter ground hole, and I don't worry about softening the glue, because it only needs to hold the board down for a little while - the AA will do the real work of keeping it immobilized against battery pressure etc later.

I think pre-tinning the lead wires on the LED side sounds like a much better method than what I'm doing now. So you're attaching the wires to the top of the emitter's leads? I like threading them through the little bend.
 
I use a "no clean" liquid flux pen and get the hole through the E-can fluxed. I place my ground wire through the hole with extra wire on both sides. I place my soldering iron on the lip of the E-can near the hole and wait....... holding the solder to the e-can, on the inside ridge, near the ground wire and hole, it will eventually start to flow on the E-can. At that point, I move the solder up to the E-can/ lead wire joint and let more solder flow on to both. Solder will flow to the heat source. I touch the solder to the ground wire on either side of where it passes through the the hole and the solder will flow down the ground wire into the hole. I end up with a fillet of solder on either side of the ground wire where it exits the E-can. I cut the excess wire on the outside and then file off the raised mound of solder. There is usually a raised section of solder where the iron was contacting the face of the E-can llip that also needs to be filed off. This solder joint is not only between the wire and the EN surface on the inside rim but also between the wire and the raw brass inside the hole. If you were to bend the wire back and forth enough, it will eventually fatigue and break but the solder connection will not break free and the section of wire through the E-can hole is there for good. The same process can be used if the wire is laying in a trough that has been filed into the lip instead of the hole. I prefer part of the solder joint to be between raw exposed brass and the wire instead of just the EN. The EN is a plating that can break free from the parent metal under duress.

I think the key here is to use the iron to get the E-can hot enough for the solder to flow on it. This is more heat than I would want to subject the PCB to, I think.

Your method of feeding the LED lead wires under the loop of the leads is a sound one. My only thought was in my method of pushing the lead down into a solder blob sitting on top of the lead pads and emitter board pads is that if I should desire to unsolder the leads later for LED ot PCB removal, once the solder is mented, the leads lift right up. 6 of one, a half dozen of the other.
 
I have a question about the epoxy used for potting the emitter board (only the board, NOT the emitter). As far as I know AA epoxy is not available in my country. So, if possible I want to use common 5 min epoxy for potting (which I can buy in a local store) and AA epoxy (from The Shoppe) for the emitter. The stuff I'm thinking about is called VersaChem 5min Epoxy (made in the US).
 
Icarus,

I am sure others have different methods. I drop the emitter board down in the head without any adhesive or binding agent. I then place a drop of the epoxy (AS in my case) I use for bonding the LED in place with the head of a round toothpick. I spread the drop around in a circle of roughtly the diameter of the LED slug. I then place the LED down onto the epoxy and push and turn it to squeeze out the excess epoxy. This excess will typically come in contact with the inner edge of the emitter board. I make sure that the lead wire holes in the emitter board still line up eith the holes through the heat sink bulkhead. Now I drop the reflector down into the head and visually center the LED in the reflector. The hollow plastic tube of a discarded pen is a good tool for seating on the LED lens and moving it to center. I then let the emitter bond cure. more often than not, the emitter board is now "tacked" to the assembly due to the excess of epoxy. Even if it can still rotate around the LED, as soon as the LED's leads are soldered to the pads on the emitter board, it is fixed in position. Having the board loose allows it to move if needed while centering the LED.
 
icarus, 5 minute epoxy should be find for potting the converter board in the e-can. I believe many people have done that. I used Krazy Glue(?) gel in mine and haven't had any problems.

Jon
 
icarus I've heard of people using a 50/50 mix of 5 minute epoxy and CPU heatsink compound. I don't think that "straight" epoxy has the thermal properties you're after. The 50/50 mix should aid in transferring the heat from the converter to the body. This is just what I've heard though, I have no practical experience with this.

Peter
 
Wow... Seems like everybody has their little tweaks for the system. I remember trying to correct Don's wire lengths at one time, and it turned out that his lengths were perfect for the way he assembled it, and mine were perfect for the way I did it - and I didn't even consider his way before hearing about it. Still like my way better though. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks for taking all that time to type up the instructions, Tyler! Awesome job.
 
Re: PR-T assembly, which kind of wire to use?

Which kind of wire should be used to connect the converter to the LED/ground?
 
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